The sudden assertion of human criteria within a dehumanising framework of political manipulation can be like a flash of lightning illuminating a dark landscape
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Abu Ghraib, The Soap Opera
For some time Abu Ghraid prison has been a wild hair up the you-know-what of obsessive US haters who fantasize about a US plot to rule the world and who see Abu Ghraid as proof. A story from the New York Times (not a Bush supporter) sheds a clear light on what has been a overblown expose.
"To some, the grave misdeeds at Abu Ghraid, where three soldiers worked for six months in 2003, have become a symbol of the American military occupation of Iraq. But the scandal is also one rooted in th behavior of military reservists working at the prison, an environment that testimony has portrayed as more frat house than military prison, a place where inmates were routinely left naked and soldiers took pictures of one another simulating sex with fruit."
"The reservists' treatment of Iraqi prisoners and their entanglements with one another-- pieced together through court documents, e-mail and interviews-- have produced a dark soap opera
, one whose episodes have continued to play out in the months since the scandal erupted, and culminated in the Texas courtroom last week."
"As with any soap opera, past episodes help explain the most recent."
""Private England, who is now awaiting charges to be filed against her again,and Private Graner began dating while they were training with their Army Reserve Unit based in Crespatown, Md. A hell-rasing young woman from W. Virginia, Private England, now 22, was married at a whim. She joined the Reserves to make money for college.
Private Garner, 36, a Pennsylvannia prison guard and former Marine was fresh from an ugly divorce in 2000. His ex-wie had taken out three restraining orders against him...."
"Just after their unit received orders to go to Iraq, in February 2003, Private Garner, Private England and a third reservist held a last party weekend. They drank heavily. When their friend passed out, Graner and England took turns taking photos of each other exposing themselves over his head."
"In Iraq, Private England was disciplined several times for sleeping with Private Graner. She flouted warnings to stay on the wing where she worked as a clerk, and spent most of her nights in the cellblock where Graner worked the night shift."
"One night in October, He told her to pose for photographs holding a leash tied around a naked and crawling detainee. He e'mailed home to his ex-wife saying "Look what I made Lyndie do". The infamous pictures of detainees masterbating were also sent home as a birthday present."The story goes on the talk about another female reservist, Private Ambuhl a medical technician, who dropped her affair with one soldier and started an affair with Graner, in December. In January, Graner was again caught sleeping with England and demoted. That same month, a soldier slipped investigators a disk with the graphic photos.
Were the soldiers at Abu Ghraid members of an elite death squad, the CIA, the neo-con world conspiracy? Of course not. They were horny, bored reservists with perverse ideas of what was funny.
Does the US encourage and condone this conduct? No. The army was already investigating the conduct of these three soldiers before it became public.
Does the conduct of these three represent the US. Of course not.
Anyone who still thinks it does has "Imperialismus Americanus Phobius."
Submitted on Tue, 2005-05-10 18:56
Re: Abu Ghraib, The Soap Opera
Ttrryosborn
You cannot imagine my relief that a small bunch of "horny, bored reservists with perverse ideas of what was funny" where the only responsible for the tortures of "Abu Ghraid" (sic).
You have shown me the light.
Could you be so kind as to lift my doubts on the matter concerning the Red Cross report that nobody cared before the pictures came out?
Here is some extracts:
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In certain cases, such as Abu Ghraib military intelligence section, methods of physical and psychological coercion used by the interrogators appeared to be part of the standard operating procedures by military intelligence personnel to obtain confessions and extract information.
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In mid-October 2003, the ICRC visited persons deprived of their liberty undergoing interrogation by military intelligence officers in Unit 1A, the "isolation section" of "Abu Ghraib" Correctional Facility.[...] witnessed the practice of keeping persons [] completely naked in totally empty concrete cells and in total darkness, allegedly for several consecutive day. [] The military intelligence officer in charge of the interrogation explained that this practice was "part of the process"
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http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_05/003886.php
Re: Abu Ghraib, The Soap Opera
Eduardo,
How gently would you interrogate terrorists? We all know what Saddam would have done.
How kind were the Portuguese to rebels in the African colonies?
How kind were the French in Indochina and Algeria?
How kind were the French in Cote d'Ivoire?
You get my meaning
As in previous posts I have written about the prison environment. Giving allot of power to people with low intelligence will lead to problems. Private Graner fits the profile perfectly and he had worked in prisons in the US. Private England was no smarter, she didn't even work in the cellblock. she worked in the office. She was sneaking into the cellblock at night to visit Graner. She was dumb enough to be talked into posing for pictures by her boyfriend. Have you ever posed for pictures for someone you were sleeping with? To make it worse for her, Graner got her pregnant.
They violated military conduct and are being prosecuted. How many jailors in Portugal get prosecuted for abuse? Unfortunately, people with adequate intelligence won't work in prisons. Would you work in a prison? We're willing to leave this awful work to unqualified people and then we act horrified when the inevitable happens.
Please don't tell me prisons in Portugal, France, England are different. The only possible difference may be a ban on cameras.
Re: Abu Ghraib, The Soap Opera
Ttrryosborn,
You do have a point when mentioning the action of the Portuguese Secret Police during the colonial war. Even some military personnel had their share of breaking the Genebra convention. I personally know someone that stated having tortured and killed prisoners of war. I admit this and I think it was wrong. However, at the time Portugal was a DICTATORSHIP! I am quite sure you do not want to compare democratic America with a rightwing dictatorship.
Wait! You did compare!
"They violated military conduct and are being prosecuted."
The real question is: where they only prosecuted because of the pictures that came public?
An army has a chain of command that is, by all accounts, in control. You do not have systematic "rogue" activities. Their officers are responsible for their actions, and if they ignore what was happening, then they are incompetent, at least.
Do you really think anyone will believe that 5000 prisoners where under the sadistic rule of only 3 "bad apples" and no commanding officer ever knew what they where doing? What about the medical personnel? What about complains? What about reports from the Red Cross?
Why was all this ignored? Only after pictures where shown on television where those "bad apples" prosecuted.
"Please don't tell me prisons in Portugal, France, England are different. The only possible difference may be a ban on cameras."
My argument is not that prison life is good. It is always bad, in some countries worst than others. But fortunately we never had images of that type from any European country, and that has little to do with a ban on cameras, since there was never even a description of such actions.
However there is a difference between the internal problems of countries regarding convicted persons under criminal offenses, and the actions of an occupation army over a population of prisoners that had no access to a legal process, and where arrested under uncertain terms.
Please remember that most of the prisoners of Abu Ghraib where released without further actions, and this goes to show their "guilt". The Red Cross report indicated that 70% to 90% of these people where arrested by mistake.
These are not the kind of persons you will state: "bad people are in prison and bad things happen!"
There are international obligations to be observed under the military occupation of a country. There are also moral obligations to be observed.
Especially when you invaded the country under the pretext of avoiding exactly this kind of torture!
"How gently would you interrogate terrorists?"
Contrary to what many people believe, it is not enough to call anyone "terrorist" to justify any kind of abusive behavior against it. First you have to ascertain the reality of the accusations, and afterwards you apply the consequent penalties.
Having judge with due process an "alleged" terrorist and after he is found guilty, you may impose the penalty dictated by your civility: prison or the death sentence.
However, without the due process of the law, a nation is no better than dictatorships.
We condemn terrorists by not following the rules. Do we fight them by breaking the rules ourselves?
Essentially, with your comment, you are justifying what those "rotten apples" did! How can you claim afterwards that they where the "horny, bored reservists with perverse ideas of what was funny" when you just defend that terrorists deserve what they get?
Re: Abu Ghraib, The Soap Opera
Abu Ghraib is a slope made slippery with the blood of innocents.
Your cavalier attitude towards this episode betrays a failure to appreciate the profound implications of the exercise, -political and psychological.
After 10 Pentagon-sponsored investigations, one of which by the US Army revealed 28 cases of unsanctioned homicide of detainees, we now know that torture occurred as a pattern throughout the US military detention system. Subsequent disclosures of internal memos from both the US Justice Dept. (the Gonzalez Torture Memo) and the Pentagon (the Sanchez Torture Directive) establish that the practice was sanctioned as a matter of policy.
The pernicious effect of such sanction is evinced by your title: The Soap Opera. The formerly alien and antithetical use of torture by a western democracy has now been sanitized and domesticated by a supine media for its citizenry, itself terrorized for the expedience of the political right in America. The continuing revelations of ever worse incidents of torture and murder now play out upon the consciousness of the citizenry like the continuing plot of a bad soap opera. Thanks to people like you, they have become anesthetized to the real tragedy and damage posed by torture as a matter of state policy.
Beware, lest you tomorrow be branded a "terrorist", when the Other Party gains power, and you become the butt of what they deem to be mere fun in the name of the War on Terror.
Re: Abu Ghraib, The Soap Opera
Neocynic,
Your Pentagon source comes by way of Al Jazeera. The testimony of inmates talks of abuse (mostly sexual). One inmate compained about Graner and another accused jailor. He also said the other guards were kind to him.
Happy Imperialismus Americanus Phobius.
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