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Iron Mike
6 August 2008 - 8:02pm

Candace,

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Explain to me how it is attacking the security of our democracy - where creating a league of democracies is necessary.

You’re mixing apples and oranges.   An attack on the US is an attack on the sovereignty and security of the nation and consequently, it is our democracy that is placed at stake.  LOD is a different issue.

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Quote: Cherry picking Middle Eastern views = Middle Eastern collective will? Candace

Middle Eastern collective will?  That's a rather broad generalization or just ignorant given the size of the middle east and the cultures and nations contained within.  Israel is part of the Middle East; do you include them in your broad brush of ME collective will?    How about Turkey, Bahrain, UAE? IM

Aha so YOU believe we should cherry pick, I see.  

First you create a nonsensical term, “Middle Eastern collective will” and when I challenge the validity of the term, you accuse ME of cherry picking?  Okay…”wha teva” as you like to say.

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What happens if they want to trade with us but "resist democracy" What happens if they want democracy but the popular opinion is to not trade with the US?  What will the L.O.D do then?  
 

Another non-issue.  They can resist democracy all they want---I don’t care as long as their “resistance” is not in the form of a violent attack upon US sovereignty or interests.  If they do not want to trade with us, that’s their business.  But the reality in the ME is their primary commodity is oil and if they want to sell it on the open global market to the highest bidder, they will have to trade with the west, including us.  The LOD’s role will provide diplomatic and economic incentives that will overcome reluctance to trade. 

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How are we, or now acting as the league of democracies going to bring democracy or trade to Middle Eastern  countries that will cause anyone in the Middle East to think they need to resist? Can you explain that?  
 

Sure I can explain that.  We aren’t going to “cause” anyone to think they need to resist.  People choose what to think.  There will always be those who “choose” to resist democracy for a wide variety of personal, religious, or political agendas. So what?  

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Why do we need the league of democracies? And will the decisions of this league override the will of the American people? If not, (explain how it wont) what kind of authority or influence will the league of democracies have over our military?
 

We need the LOD because the UN is impotent to effect significant change.  Fifteen years of sanctions failed to produce change Iraq…a lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing.  The LOD provides an opportunity for leadership of like-minded democracies to leverage their collective economic and diplomatic power to foster peaceful trade and promotion of democratic values.  I see no LOD authority or influence over our military unless some multilateral agreement comes about along the lines of a NORAD type agreement.  I haven’t seen that proposed, have you? 

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  How will the creation of this organization help secure Americans if John McCain wants to create opportunities for resistance in other parts of the world.  

I disagree with the premise of the question. I don’t believe John McCain WANTS to create opportunities for resistance…and resistance to what?…democracy?  Asked and answered.  More distractions without substance.  

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You said we should use force after diplomacy fails or resistance to democracy/trade turns violent. What is the situation youre talking about that will warrant diplomacy and if it failed we would use force. What kind of force? How would this force help promote democracy and open trade.

Iran is a good example of such a situation.  Currently we are employing diplomatic and economic pressure (sanctions and incentives) while reserving military options.  What kind of force?  That force necessary to achieve the desired end state.  Force is designed to eliminate threats; promotion of democracy and trade is only possible before war or post-hostility reconstruction.  Ever heard of the Marshall plan?

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