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Iron Mike

7 August 2008 - 9:56am

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So what you’re saying is the creation of the LOD is for

1. International ideological and economic dominance, by force if necessary

2. Overrule the UN when it gets in our way, to push aside anyone or country who disagrees with what we want to do.

I'm guessing you had problems with the reading comprehension part of the SAT. I said or implied neither of these conclusions.

The LOD in McCain's own words.

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The NATO alliance has begun to deal with this gap by promoting global partnerships between current members of the alliance and the other great democracies in Asia and elsewhere. We should go further and start bringing democratic peoples and nations from around the world into one common organization, a worldwide League of Democracies. This would not be like the universal-membership and failed League of Nations' of Woodrow Wilson but much more like what Theodore Roosevelt envisioned: like-minded nations working together in the cause of peace. The new League of Democracies would form the core of an international order of peace based on freedom. It could act where the UN fails to act, to relieve human suffering in places like Darfur. It could join to fight the AIDS epidemic in sub-Saharan Africa and fashion better policies to confront the crisis of our environment. It could provide unimpeded market access to those who share the values of economic and political freedom, an advantage no state-based system could attain. It could bring concerted pressure to bear on tyrants in Burma or Zimbabwe, with or without Moscow's and Beijing's approval. It could unite to impose sanctions on Iran and thwart its nuclear ambitions. It could provide support to struggling democracies in Ukraine and Serbia and help countries like Thailand back on the path to democracy.

"This League of Democracies would not supplant the United Nations or other international organizations. It would complement them. But it would be the one organization where the world's democracies could come together to discuss problems and solutions on the basis of shared principles and a common vision of the future. If I am elected president, I will call a summit of the world's democracies in my first year to seek the views of my democratic counterparts and begin exploring the practical steps necessary to realize this vision.

No where is there any mention of force. I speculated that some type of multi-lateral agreement along the lines of NORAD (which is strictly defensive if you were unaware) MIGHT evolve, but acknowledged that I have never seen anything from McCain on that.

The more I read what McCain is saying about the LOD, the less likely I think any multi-lateral military agreement is in his vision, especially since his goal is for LOD to complement, not supplant the UN. Strengthening NATO provides the military alliances necessary for defense.

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Iran is easy to understand. They are most concerned about their security which is why they are ignoring demands to stop enriching uranium. They want some nuclear deterrence too.

Not true. Iran has adamantly defended their nuclear program as strictly peaceful energy production, not defense. Don't you believe them? You think they may be lying about that? If so, what else are they lying about? Do you think they may be lying about any other parts of their agenda that you've bought into?

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Neocons of the world: Dont you love my plans?

No offense...but your plans are irrelevant (and so are mine). The only plans of relevance here are Obama's and McCains. Since you clearly do not support McCain, please make the case for Obama's foreign policy...if you can. It was YOU who started this thread with...

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I guess I'll start with John.

When do you plan to move on to YOUR candidate? If you do not support McCain, you are by default supporting Obama because voting any third option will simply be a default vote for either Obama or McCain. Or join forces with our resident anarchist Sprawlkills and rebel impotently by refusing to vote.

I started a thread dedicated to a discussion of Obama's foreign policy, but I notice you have yet to post. Don't be afraid; I'll be gentle...Muah hah hah! <evil Neocons lurking in the shadows, laughing gleefully in anticipation>