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batman on "ISRAEL's ARMY. The Biggest terrorists in the world"

batman — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 01:13:56 +0100

'No country or religion are terrorists...idividual people are terrorists.' IF Palestine were a country it would be led by a terroist gov't elected by the people. When yoo consider that there are many other terror groups that don't run for office you'll see that Palestine as a 'country' IS a terrorist country.

spearo100 on "ISRAEL's ARMY. The Biggest terrorists in the world"

spearo100 — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:13:48 +0100

If the leader of a nation orders his army and people to go fight x, then like it or not you have to fight. The price for defying government in times of war is not worth it in any country. No country or religion are terrorists...idividual people are terrorists. Being English I am sometimes confronted with the history of my nation when I go abroad. 'You invaded us x many years ago and killed our women and children' or some such statement. No we didn't. Lord Poncy Arse and a few of his power hungry mates decided to invade for more money and more power. But they don't tell Joe Public that. They tell us like your leaders tell you that there is some noble and decent cause behind this invasion. 'Those people are barbarians, they drink blood and play football with live babies....go get 'em'. While the leaders sit at home and play chess with peoples lives, the nation goes out and sheds blood. The lord and his pals get awards galore for their brilliant strategy whilst most of his conquering army are left to pick up the pieces of their lives. Our information is only as good as that which is given to us. If you all tell me that Americans bathe their kids in strawberry sauce and shoot each other when one steps on anothers lawn then that may be all the information I have on them. People are capable of believing almost anything.

batman on "ISRAEL's ARMY. The Biggest terrorists in the world"

batman — Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:38:13 +0100

Brendan_2 'The Jews came from Europe and beyond.'. After having been expelled by the Romans and then barred from returning by the muslims. Still, Jewish communities remained in the land for centuries. Where do you think the arabs came from? 'Policies of mass immigration with the intent of ethnic or religious cleansing. That is zionism in brief.' That is your ignorance in brief you mean. If this was the intention how is it that today 20% of Israel's population is muslim? Can the US/UK say this? 'Attacking the lawful administrator's of Palestine through terrorism is a crime as much as palestinians tunneling to attack guardposts and kidnap soldiers. You have a real habit of double standards.' Why do you use the term terrorism to describe attacks on soldiers? Is this how you refer to palestinians or Iraqis for that matter? The British were such scum that they waged war not just on the Jews but on the arabs aswell. Its what colonial powers did. Further, the fact that they placed Jewsih refugees and survivors of Nazi death camps into concentration camps in Cyprus just to prevent them coming to Palestine shows how callous the British were. Then again, we all know who introduced concentration camps to humanity don't we?

englishman on "ISRAEL's ARMY. The Biggest terrorists in the world"

englishman — Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:19:09 +0100

The second set of pictures have been mentioned before. It was presented by Kiumars as evidence of use of poison gas. His "evidence" is a dubious website "Waynemadsenreport" and is basically completely wrong. I pointed this out in the thread "Israel using poison gas" on 23rd July ... "Poor research. The picture is not of a binary chemical weapon but a fuel-air exposive rocket used for mine clearing. Don't believe all you read! I could tell that this was not what was stated from my own meagre knowledge. A refutation of the article is carried here: http://chickenhawkexpress.blogspot.com/

Brendan 2 on "ISRAEL's ARMY. The Biggest terrorists in the world"

Brendan 2 — Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:24:19 +0100

[The Jews are the indigenous people and in what way is attacking British military personnel cowardly? ] The Jews came from Europe and beyond. Policies of mass immigration with the intent of ethnic or religious cleansing. That is zionism in brief. Attacking the lawful administrator's of Palestine through terrorism is a crime as much as palestinians tunneling to attack guardposts and kidnap soldiers. You have a real habit of double standards.

batman on "ISRAEL's ARMY. The Biggest terrorists in the world"

batman — Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:02:29 +0100

alberthartford 'The information on these cruel, coward and surrepticious attacks on the indigenous palestinian population as well as on the british military ' The Jews are the indigenous people and in what way is attacking British military personel cowardly? 'a crucial key for anyone who is looking to understand the deeper origins of the current conflict in Israel, Palestine and Lebanon.' I don't think you can cope with deep thinking. For a start where is 'Palestine'? The deeper origins are simple anti-Semitism. get to grips with that and you've started learning.

alberthartford on "ISRAEL's ARMY. The Biggest terrorists in the world"

alberthartford — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:58:35 +0100

Before discussing TERRORISM in the middle east, it is important to adress the topic of the use of it by ZIONISTS in the days prior to the formation of Israel. The information on these cruel, coward and surrepticious attacks on the indigenous palestinian population as well as on the british military deserve WIDESPREAD EXPOSURE, and are a crucial key for anyone who is looking to understand the deeper origins of the current conflict in Israel, Palestine and Lebanon. Here's a time line of ZIONIST TERROR in Palestine form 1946 to 1948: http://guardian.150m.com/palestine/jewish-terrorism.htm

sayf4all_1 on "ISRAEL's ARMY. The Biggest terrorists in the world"

sayf4all_1 — Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:10:44 +0100

Offcourse Israel's army and gouverment are the biggest terrorist groups. The world actualy does know that, but they do not dare to argue with the US while it is backing Israel up. I guess America is doing so because it has interest in the chaos being created in the Middle East.

Dan M on "ISRAEL's ARMY. The Biggest terrorists in the world"

Dan M — Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:51:28 +0100

In reply to original post. I do a lot of military weapons research and I would first like to point out that there is no way this is an artillery launched chemical weapon delivery system. Almost all thermobaric bombs are dropped from planes. This 'article' claims it is an artillery shell. If you were to fire that thing in an artillery piece, you will most likely take out the piece and anyone standing next to it. I dont who they spoke with at the "US military intelligence sources" but judging from the shape and flimsy stabilizer fins, it looks like some kind of antiquated airborne gravity munition also known as dumb bombs. Note the tip of the munition looks like some kind of external pressure detonator of which an artillery shell would have no use for. Most shells do have detonators but they are internal, not external. A pressure detonator as seen in the picture would normally be used to ensure the munition detonates upon impact when dropped from airborne platforms. Firing this from an artillery piece would most like cause detonation. Although such munitions are pretty much outdated technology (used mostly in WW2 I might be wrong about the modernity of this technology as I have little background in airborne munitions. Although I cant see a modern military using this kind of munition even to drop out of planes most modern air forces use some kind of guided munitions in order to minimize collateral damage). Furthermore, most standard artillery shells look a lot like bullets. This is in order to minimize drag on the projectile in-flight and to increase the range. Additionally, any kind of stabilizer fins would only be used in high velocity armor piercing shells. The AP shell is far too small to carry any kind of chemical payload and looks more like an arrow rather then a steel drum. Even an incendiary phosphorus projectile is bullet shaped and has no stabilizing fins. As far as I know there is no ground based delivery system for that kind of ordnance. Another thing which leads me to believe this picture was originally doctored is the vehicle that the solider is 'loading' the shell into is an Armored Personal Carrier (APC) which has little offensive capabilities. Here is some basic information regarding munitions. Gravity bombs - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_bomb Standard M107 artillery shell - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M107_%28projectile%29 Internals of an artillery shell - http://static.flickr.com/29/64106413_63a7792842.jpg This article seems to be another piece of Hezbollah propagand and has no merit whatsoever.

Joe.Bloggs on "ISRAEL's ARMY. The Biggest terrorists in the world"

Joe.Bloggs — Thu, 10 Aug 2006 02:46:15 +0100

alfredo's spastic ramblings aside, yeah Jon's cool. Big fan.

alfredo.bremont on "ISRAEL's ARMY. The Biggest terrorists in the world"

alfredo.bremont — Tue, 08 Aug 2006 22:03:52 +0100

armies are relative in the case of Israel is an army that is fighting itself, its tactics are erroneous and the aim is murky. what shall Israel do. well the 1 thing to do is to understand who you are fighting and why. terrorism does not fit the bill in this configuration as IDF is a terrorist state it kills children and defenceless people, a sort of Balkans wars on the middle east were Milosevic is the Israeli prime minister and the Muslim well they are still the same ones that get all the bombs drop on their heads. displaced murdered and sacrificed for some unknown reason. however this time Washington is behind the plot not the soviet union. a strange coincidence were history repeats itself, same players and same plot and the same aim. no wonder Washington is finding itself at odds with the world. defending a dictator or rather a replay dictator by history whims and at the same time accusing the Muslims of terrorist. caustic remark to think that the Lebanese population are terrorist. but why destroy bridges infrastructures and cripple the nation. just like Milosevic has done to Bosnia. this Bosnia replay is something we must ask why. how come the worlds community does not condemn Israel but it did Milosevic and its Serbian regime. Albania in this context is probably Palestine. it brings the point how confuse the leaders of the world must be after this mayhem created by Washington and executed by Israel. I wonder who are the military planers of this idiocy but they are no better than those that declare victory over Iraq on a 2003 and them found themselves that that was the day the war begun.

Joe.Bloggs on "ISRAEL's ARMY. The Biggest terrorists in the world"

Joe.Bloggs — Sat, 05 Aug 2006 22:18:29 +0100

Exactly

Real Mohawk on "ISRAEL's ARMY. The Biggest terrorists in the world"

Real Mohawk — Sat, 05 Aug 2006 21:08:39 +0100

"When there is acceptance for an eye for an eye, the whole world goes blind". M. Ghandi

Joe.Bloggs on "ISRAEL's ARMY. The Biggest terrorists in the world"

Joe.Bloggs — Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:25:49 +0100

Well, I think we can all agree that US foreign policy is a disaster. That doesn't mean that Israel is using CBNR weapons though.

shaksy1 on "ISRAEL's ARMY. The Biggest terrorists in the world"

shaksy1 — Sat, 05 Aug 2006 02:52:42 +0100

This is where i stand. im just pasting it rom another post so u mightve seen this already.. there are more reasons to believe this than not to believe this.... 'Disentangling Israeli interests from the rubble of neocon "creative destruction" in the Middle East has become an urgent challenge for Israeli policy-makers. An America that seeks to reshape the region through an unsophisticated mixture of bombs and ballots, devoid of local contextual understanding, alliance-building or redressing of grievances, ultimately undermines both itself and Israel. The sight this week of Secretary of State Rice homeward bound, unable to touch down in any Arab capital, should have a sobering effect in Washington and Jerusalem'. The link to the full article is: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/746312.html

ISRAEL's ARMY. The Biggest terrorists in the world,

shaksy1 — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:28:32 +0100

Right guys,,, check out the following link where a CARPET launcher is shown ready to kill more Lebonese Women and childeren using small scale nuclear and chemical weapons http://thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4899 What these weapons do to poor civillians can be viewed at http://makeashorterlink.com/?P5106438D (picture on aboe site,, not for faint hearted) WHEN WILL THE WORLD OPEN ITS EYES???? [Edited by: oD Forum Moderator. Shorter link included.]