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fdbjr on "Fallujah's lessons"

fdbjr — Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:45:10 +0000

> I will of course not interfere in your right to > fantasise about what my beliefs are, what my > background is and who I may be akin to, no matter how > egregious your conclusions are, attacks on my > personality stand testament at least to the fact that > I have enough academic and life experience not to > fall into that trap of bitchiness. Re that last ("not fall into the trap of bitchiness"), I hate to break the bad news, but it's kinda too late.

asaf.khan01 on "Fallujah's lessons"

asaf.khan01 — Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:19:35 +0000

Obviously the truth is hurtful to all of you, I cannot offer you any ease from that. The people of Iraq are level headed and reasonable, it is interesting to note how you assume all Muslims, regardless of how far away from each other they are, or how different their backgrounds, may possibly be linked by a common, all-consumming thought. I am glad you made that statement as it fuels my conviction that America can never have peace with Muslims unless it becomes Muslim itself, this may sound 'extreme' but if you cannot honestly see that what I have said is in reality being acted out by America, only they replace religion with democracy, then there is no reasoning with any of you. Finally, Mr Mike, When I joined openDemocracy i was 21 years old and a 'University' student, I have since graduated. I do not think any of us here, whether in receipt of higher education or not, can in reality analyse the topic of Iraq with any real integrity, this is a playground for political wannabes, our opinions here are not significant to anyone else other than us, I thought you may have realised that. At least. I live in the 'West', the UK in fact, so any anti-western propaganda I may be neck-deep in comes from a 'Western' country, and is freely available, it does not come from any Iraqi youth. My statements are in no way hate-mongering. It is true to say American government loves Jews and Israel, it is up to you to disprove this claim not for me to qualify it. I will of course not interfere in your right to fantasise about what my beliefs are, what my background is and who I may be akin to, no matter how egregious your conclusions are, attacks on my personality stand testament at least to the fact that I have enough academic and life experience not to fall into that trap of bitchiness.

Iron Mike on "Fallujah's lessons"

Iron Mike — Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:56:40 +0000

One must also consider that (according to his posted biography) he is a 21-year old college student without significant academic or breadth of life experience to properly analyze the topic. Unfortunately, he is much like the youth of Iraq who are duped into joining the insurgency and die a quick and brutal death. His hate-mongering statements suggest he is neck-deep in anti-western propaganda and unable to shed ideological blinders to see "truth." IM

fdbjr on "Fallujah's lessons"

fdbjr — Thu, 09 Dec 2004 21:20:15 +0000

One must consider the possibility that Asif Khan's posts are monitored, and that he is aware of that fact.

henry_hart_1 on "Fallujah's lessons"

henry_hart_1 — Thu, 09 Dec 2004 00:49:48 +0000

Asaf: Please allow a resident of "Islam hating Jew loving drunk America" to commend you -- you are a model of decorum and sagacity. Let's hope your Islamic brothers and sisters in Iraq are a bit more level-headed than you appear to be. Best, HH

asaf.khan01 on "Fallujah's lessons"

asaf.khan01 — Tue, 07 Dec 2004 16:08:15 +0000

How about real democracy in America for a start??? I do not regard one vote every four years as democratic and who are you to say surely anything is better for a country you probably haven't visited or have no knowledge of the faith of the Iraqi people that states they shall live by God's law and not Man. If Iraq is to be truely democratic it will surely be Islamic which is why I do not believe Iraq can ever be democratic as long as there is an Islam hating Jew loving drunk America to stop it being it's natural self.

Fallujah's lessons,

Rosemary Bechler — Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:07:36 +0000

In response to Sama Hadad's piece (at http://www.opendemocracy.net/debates/article-2-95-2229.jsp): Isn't Gilles Kepel (http://www.opendemocracy.net/debates/article-5-57-2216.jsp) right to say that it is worth considering how to win the support of Sunni Iraq? But can it be right that the only way of doing that is to reinstate their powers of coercion? That seems rather odd... Surely the lesson of Fallujah is neither re- nor de-Baathification - or a choice between Sunni or anyone else; but the need to renounce rule through violence and spying, and move towards negotiation and peace. S Read the rest of this post...