open Democracy News Analysis - Who Will Win ??!!!!!, - Comments

fdbjr on "Who Will Win ??!!!!!"

fdbjr — Tue, 02 Nov 2004 19:52:39 +0000

Ignorance speaks. There has been no report of harassment, nor will there be, with poll watchers of both parties present. There was none in Florida in 2000 - the recount was messy, not the voting. The advice of citizens of small, ethnically homogenous countries on how to conduct business in the most massive, determinedly pluralistic society in history is always welcome.

Capfka on "Who Will Win ??!!!!!"

Capfka — Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:34:40 +0000

I have the Washington Post's "ticker" up on my desktop both at home and at work. Hopefully by morning (GMT) the results from the non-contentious states will be in. I'm picking Bush in any contest that boils down to Florida, for obvious reasons. Corruption will ensure that he gets it. If it's Wisconsin, Iowa, Ohio or any of the rest, I don't know. But despite the protestations of the US supporters of harrassing people at polling stations - which, as it turns out, is punishable by imprisonment here in Britain - the result will still be a "fix", although whose is up in the air. Kerry if it's Iowa. Bush if it's Ohio or Wisconsin. Why the hell can't you people just vote directly for the candidates? That would be a much truer form of democracy (as practised by most of the rest of us) as David Wood has suggested.

erinleonard2 on "Who Will Win ??!!!!!"

erinleonard2 — Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:23:43 +0000

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David Wood on "Who Will Win ??!!!!!"

David Wood — Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:35:16 +0000

Sorry, the Electoral College system aside (which comes pretty low down the scale of democratic systems...), the attempt to write off quite systematic abuse as a scalar anomally is wrong, and in addition not at all comforting to the thousands who were dispossessed of their votes in the last election. Let's not forget too that, like him or not, Gore actually won (from what we know of the post-election analysis) - the Supreme Court however decided not to continue the recount... My £25, if Bush does not win (which he will, especially after that suspiciously well-timed intervention from Bin Laden), will go to Medecins San Frontiers, the fearless French (yes, those words can go together) charity, who try their best to help clean up the mess that all these childish 'leaders' (or all creeds) inflict upon the world.

brolly2_1 on "Who Will Win ??!!!!!"

brolly2_1 — Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:47:45 +0000

owly, The polls are just about opening so I have no special knowledge of the outcome. However I will call it - George W.Bush by both the popular and electoral college vote. It is not the result I would like to see but it reflects the mentality of so many Americans, who are one of the most insular people on earth from the point of view of advanced industrial societies. A smaller percentage of them travel outside their country than any European counterpart. Message was edited by: brolly2_1

owly on "Who Will Win ??!!!!!"

owly — Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:31:25 +0000

Stop being a wimp Capfka !! Call it. No one else knows either, so lets have a name. Give a name and, as you seem to be a special case, you can allocate one of your payments to one of your charities !

Capfka on "Who Will Win ??!!!!!"

Capfka — Mon, 01 Nov 2004 20:00:39 +0000

I have four charities which I pay into monthly. Which one did you want? I have probably poured £500 into charity this year. This includes £25 to OpenDemocracy, so let's just call it quits, huh? Quite apart from which, I haven't actually said who I think is going to win. That's because, as I have said twice above, I can't call it.

owly on "Who Will Win ??!!!!!"

owly — Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:31:33 +0000

Put your money where your mouth is Capfka. Name the Charity and the amount - no more than $25.

joakim.runnsjo on "Who Will Win ??!!!!!"

joakim.runnsjo — Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:41:28 +0000

I tink that Kerry will win, but after that they sworn in Bush agin. I tink that Bush will cheat to become US next president, just like he did last time

Capfka on "Who Will Win ??!!!!!"

Capfka — Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:36:55 +0000

Well, it's looking pretty much like Osama-baby has weighed in on Bush's side. The polls are saying Bush 50%, Kerry 44% since the video was released. Osama is much more influential with the voters than Arnie. Yet again, Bush is getting his way because of his influential friends ... :)

owly on "Who Will Win ??!!!!!"

owly — Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:49:14 +0000

Yes dear, so put your money on it !! No more than $25 and name the charity. Oh and I note some of the resident loud mouths have not divid up - yes brolly you and ronr ! So do so now !!! And where is Soloera, the esteemed moderator ? She had much to say on a couple of threads. So cough up ! Ditto Anthony Barnett. You say Bush has lost, so put your money on it !!!

dmullinger on "Who Will Win ??!!!!!"

dmullinger — Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:42:35 +0100

The oligarchy

owly on "Who Will Win ??!!!!!"

owly — Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:07:43 +0100

Oh and by the way. . . . Though as Umpire I ought to keep impartial, I hope Bush will win. But I fear, upon my soul I fear, Kerry will win. My cheque of £15 (roughly $25) will go to the Royal British Legion Poppy Appeal to benefit the families of those service men who have lost their lives in Iraq and those injured there.

owly on "Who Will Win ??!!!!!"

owly — Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:01:53 +0100

For those who have taken the bet, the Charities you name will thank you. For the Chicken ---- who have plenty to say usually but who have failed to put their money where their mouths are shame on you ! So come on, name the ticket and sign the cheque !!

henry_hart_1 on "Who Will Win ??!!!!!"

henry_hart_1 — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:58:45 +0100

As an aside ... couldn't help notice that Brolly, rather than just try to put aside his nastiness for a rare lighthearted and nonargumentative moment here on OD, just had to chime in once again on how stupid the American electorate is, how crooked the U.S. electoral system is, how much of a giant bully the U.S. is, etc., etc., ad nauseam ... Do everyone a favor, bumbler. Keep your hatred to yourself, or at least try to rein it in a bit. And if you can't play nice ... then don't play.

Who Will Win ??!!!!!,

owly — Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:36:07 +0100

Ok. 11 days to go. So put your money where your mouth is. Tells us who will win. (A one word answer is all that is required.) And just to make it interesting put a shilling on the side - to be donated to a charity. Name the charity.