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Ttrryosborn on "The silly semantic of Iraq's elections"

Ttrryosborn — Mon, 16 May 2005 01:13:18 +0000

brolly3, Thank you for reading my posts. Sorry you've never heard of the expression "sour grapes". I thought everyone had. It refers to someone cannot accept an outcome without bitterness. It is synonymous with "sore loser".

brolly3 on "The silly semantic of Iraq's elections"

brolly3 — Sun, 15 May 2005 23:43:39 +0000

Ttrryosborn, I have tracked some of your postings across different topics and notice that you like to use the expression 'sour grapes' when criticising your opponents views. Maybe all the grapes you taste are sour, so you don't believe there any any sweet ones. Do you think you have a problem with your taste buds.

Ttrryosborn on "The silly semantic of Iraq's elections"

Ttrryosborn — Sun, 15 May 2005 06:18:28 +0000

Neocynic, Sour grapes about the turnout? Why don't you appear before the new Iraqi assembly and voice your concern. I'd love to hear their response.

Neocynic on "The silly semantic of Iraq's elections"

Neocynic — Sat, 14 May 2005 23:42:02 +0000

Here are some Facts re : the "election": "The U.N. was not responsible for supervising the elections or determining key decisions. Instead, the U.N. advised and supported the IECI in its work to deliver fair and transparent elections." http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/iraqelect/p [...] The full extent of this advise and support was the posting of "observers" in Lebanon and in the Green Zone. "There will be no neutral outside group deployed across Iraq to determine whether voters are impeded, ballot boxes are stuffed, any party tries to interfere with the process or votes are counted fairly. No congressional delegation will monitor the polls, and the European Union announced last week that it had declined an invitation from Iraq to send observers. The Carter Center, which has monitored more than 50 elections overseas, also decided not to send observers. "That means you don't have an independent voice that can really report credibly on the quality of the election -- in a context where there are already extremely difficult circumstances and doubts about the process," said David Carroll of the Carter Center" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28599-2005Jan22.html Hence, if the process was corrput, then the result is even more so. As the programmers say: "Garbage In, Garbage Out".

Ttrryosborn on "The silly semantic of Iraq's elections"

Ttrryosborn — Wed, 04 May 2005 21:34:43 +0000

brolly3, Bullseye. I am in California. I am an independent. I am not bound by party ideology. I am free to agree, or disagree, with the majority in California, or the majority in the US.

brolly3 on "The silly semantic of Iraq's elections"

brolly3 — Wed, 04 May 2005 19:12:00 +0000

Ttrryosborn, I do not have to be Sherlock Holmes to deduce that you are probably living on or near the West Coast or third time zone, as you mentioned your 'dinnertime' at 3.16 UK local time. As a possible Californian, you should be more in tune with the majority in that State.i.e. anti-neoconservative.

Ttrryosborn on "The silly semantic of Iraq's elections"

Ttrryosborn — Wed, 04 May 2005 01:57:56 +0000

brolly3, Tsk,tsk, tsk... where are those famous English manners?

brolly3 on "The silly semantic of Iraq's elections"

brolly3 — Wed, 04 May 2005 01:55:29 +0000

Ttrryosborn, In the UK it is now in the early hours of Wednesday and I am an insomniac, so I have an excuse for hitting the keys. in the US it is between 7 and 10 p.m., so you have no excuse and it shows that you have nothing better to do. Get yourself a life, Ttrry or henry or whoever you are. Message was edited by: brolly3

Ttrryosborn on "The silly semantic of Iraq's elections"

Ttrryosborn — Wed, 04 May 2005 01:54:48 +0000

Au contraire, Eduardo had inquired if I spoke a second language. I hope his french is good. It is good of him to try and speak English. My skill in English is perfect, thank you.

Ttrryosborn on "The silly semantic of Iraq's elections"

Ttrryosborn — Wed, 04 May 2005 01:51:15 +0000

brolly3, Glad to hear you've given up trying to prove I am someone else. That is the mark of someone with obsessions and paranoias. I know what you mean about hearing the same thing twice. Your posts and a dozens others sound like broken records also.

brolly3 on "The silly semantic of Iraq's elections"

brolly3 — Wed, 04 May 2005 01:45:42 +0000

ttrryosborn, I notice you have attempted to speak to Eduardo in French. This is a bit strange because I think he is Portuguese, so I assume that you are showing off your linguistic skills. It's a pity they don't extend to English.

brolly3 on "The silly semantic of Iraq's elections"

brolly3 — Wed, 04 May 2005 01:41:53 +0000

Ttrryosborn, ["brolly, prove I'm henry hart".] I don't have to. If you aren't henry then maybe you are henry's twin as you say. Certainly there isn't a razor blades thickness between what you both have to say. I would suggest that only one of you post at a time, because it is so tiresome to read the same nonsense twice over.

Ttrryosborn on "The silly semantic of Iraq's elections"

Ttrryosborn — Wed, 04 May 2005 00:46:21 +0000

Capfka, Capfka, Capfka... Germany, Italy and Japan were not OUR allies in WWII. France (our ally during the Revolution) did not instill our present form of democratic government after the Revolutionary War. We installed Germany's, Italy's and Japan's present forms of democratic government after WWII, along with out friendship, capisce? We are in the process of doing the same thing in Iraq.

Capfka on "The silly semantic of Iraq's elections"

Capfka — Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:04:13 +0000

ttrryosborn: You said: German, Italy and Japan WERE NOT allies in WWII. Odd. You could have fooled them! http://www.answers.com/topic/axis-powers Axis Alliance Message was edited by: Capfka

Ttrryosborn on "The silly semantic of Iraq's elections"

Ttrryosborn — Sat, 30 Apr 2005 03:51:51 +0000

Uh Goiggoig Re-read my text. I mentionned to CAustin that France WAS an ally during the Revolution. German, Italy and Japan WERE NOT allies in WWII. The colonies wrote their own Declaration of Independence and their own Constitution. If anything, we inspired France to create their own form of democracy. You are right. Democracy of a different form was born in Greece and then it died. Would you be happy if the 13 colonies had followed Greece's example and created 13 city-states? Philosophers during the Enlightenment in Europe wrote both good and bad things about Greek democracy (mob rule for example). The founding fathers took the best from all philosophers. They learned from both sides and formed our brand of gouvernment.

The silly semantic of Iraq's elections,

Ttrryosborn — Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:31:48 +0000

On a number of postings the complaint has been made that the January elections in Iraq were not valid merely because of the presence of foreign troops. This is a case of silly semantics. One does not lead to the other. Elections were held on post-WWII Germany, Italy and Japan while they were under occupation. Democracy in those former dictatorships is an accomplished fact. Why is a different set of logic being applied in Iraq?