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Neocynic on "Rove, Durbin and Conservative Perfidy"

Neocynic — Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:42:58 +0100

Join the Karl Rove Death Pool Today! "Subject: Rove/P&C," (for personal and confidential), Cooper began. "Spoke to Rove on double super secret background for about two mins before he went on vacation..." Cooper proceeded to spell out some guidance on a story that was beginning to roil Washington. He finished, "please don't source this to rove or even WH [White House]" and suggested another reporter check with the CIA. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8525978/site/newsweek/

Neocynic on "Rove, Durbin and Conservative Perfidy"

Neocynic — Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:51:35 +0100

Its Official: Rove Fingered "Mr. Cooper's decision to drop his refusal to testify followed discussions on Wednesday morning among lawyers representing Mr. Cooper and Karl Rove, the senior White House political adviser, according to a person who has been officially briefed on the case. Mr. Fitzgerald was also involved in the discussions, the person said. In his statement in court, Mr. Cooper did not name Mr. Rove as the source about whom he would now testify, but the person who was briefed on the case said that he was referring to Mr. Rove and that Mr. Cooper's decision came after behind-the-scenes maneuvering by his lawyers and others in the case. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/07/politics/07leak [...]

brolly3 on "Rove, Durbin and Conservative Perfidy"

brolly3 — Wed, 06 Jul 2005 16:25:06 +0100

Joanne Nee, Bravo. Well done. It needs someone like you to show the henry_hart's and the Ttrryosborn's that all is not right with the US, apart from the rest of the world. These people try to give the impression that the US is the greatest country on earth. Well, no one is arguing with the subtltey and philosophical brilliance of the US Constitution, nor the scenic beauty and grandeur of country, nor the inate qualities of the people. What is at stake is the peace and security of the world in an age when there is potential disaster from global warming, impending conflict over scarce resources and the effects on the Third World of globalization.It is at such a time that one wishes for an enlightened and clever President and not an intellectually challenged, semi literate usurper surrounded by a cabal of neocons, whose aims are to be able to intimidate potential economic rivals to the US through military means and a vast expenditure to gain supremacy. Who would destroy the UN, which is the institution designed by a previous generation of wiser US leaders, to help avoid disastrous conflict. Who believe that the way to win hearts and minds is to use a 'shock and awe' bombardment of Baghdad, which was not militarily necessary but was to demonstrate what lies in wait for any nation that would dare to disregard the wishes of the US.One could go on and on. You have shown how much the ruling elite and their supporters among the billionairs are using the war on terror to divert attention away from the sicknes and poverty in their own backyard. A classic technique that has been used so often by political leaders throughout the world, who have never shirked taking their countries to war or to suppress the uprisings of the poor and needy, while pointing to some external, often manufactured threat.

Neocynic on "Rove, Durbin and Conservative Perfidy"

Neocynic — Sat, 02 Jul 2005 16:39:15 +0100

Gotta love it: Rove in Jail! "And I know I'm going to get pulled into the grand jury for saying this but the source of...for Matt Cooper was Karl Rove, and that will be revealed in this document dump that Time magazine's going to do with the grand jury." http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000972839

ronr327 on "Rove, Durbin and Conservative Perfidy"

ronr327 — Sat, 02 Jul 2005 13:18:58 +0100

Henry, Plus ca change, plus ca meme chose. I know what you think. You are asked to defend it. Refer to our previous colloquy on whether or not the Bush administration’s actions in the wake of 9/11 constituted wisdom. You made the flat statement you believed they did, and offered a few perfunctory examples over which argument was middling to non-existent. The 1000 pound Baghdadi elephant in the living room was ignored. Your ability to transcend “inconveniences” borders on the sublime. Any honest study of the series of reports extending from Tuguba through Schlessinger richly supports the conclusion that there was a failure of command and control, which the administration has never addressed. As to hysteria, that was the right wing wind machine (cum echo chamber) on Durbin. And to observe that was the merest patch on what we would have heard if Abu Ghraib could have been laid at the feet of Democrats, would be the understatement of the year.

henry_hart_1 on "Rove, Durbin and Conservative Perfidy"

henry_hart_1 — Sat, 02 Jul 2005 00:59:50 +0100

Ronr: I'm sorry you didn't like my answer. You really ought to calm down a little, though. You're sounding a little hysterical. From your first post, above: "Setting aside the profoundly discomforting reality that such acts, have been perpetrated against prisoners under American control after 9/11, the vast Right Wing spin machine turned on Durbin as if he had done nothing less than make a complete and absolute identification between America and Nazi Germany." I took this as an invitation to set aside the actual Abu Ghraib abuses (sorry if I misinterpreted you) and address your idignation at Durbin's treatment. After your last, though, I will address your concerns about the Abu Ghraib abuses and the administration's reaction: The abuses were unfortunate. Whether they constitute a systemic problem is unclear (to me). I am hopeful that, if such is the case, appropriate steps have been taken to make sure such abuses do not continue. The administration's response to the abuses seems to me to have been measured and appropriate. I do hope this message does not cause you as much consternation as my last reply. HH

ronr327 on "Rove, Durbin and Conservative Perfidy"

ronr327 — Fri, 01 Jul 2005 03:15:06 +0100

Henry, Now THAT’s disingenuous. Does anyone (ANYONE!) doubt that if a Democratic administration had been in charge for Abu Ghraib, what I have written above would have been hammered out incessantly, trumpets blaring, drums beating, 24/7 by the right wing wind machine. “Breathless indignation” wouldn’t have been a thousandth, a ten-thousandth, of it. And YOU KNOW IT! There are two central themes in what appears above. Conservative hypocrisy is the lesser matter, and if it doesn’t disturb you, I guess I couldn’t be surprised. The principle matter is what any responsible, not to say moral, administration should have done when Abu Ghraib first came to its attention. About that nothing has been said, because nothing can be said.

henry_hart_1 on "Rove, Durbin and Conservative Perfidy"

henry_hart_1 — Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:22:01 +0100

Perhaps, Ron, the reason there's been no riposte is that no perceivable lunge has been detected in your repeated (and somewhat breathlessly indignant) posts. Politicians on one side have impugned the motivations of a politician on the other side? Heavens! Say it ain't so. I, for one, just can't get all worked up about it. And I'd feel the same had it been Democrats castigating (and inflating) the comments and motivations of a Republican. It's part and parcel, unfortunately, of our increasingly divided two-party system. Not a day goes by, seemingly, that someone in Congress isn't offending, or taking offense at, something someone else in Congress has said. My reaction? Yawn. HH

Ttrryosborn on "Rove, Durbin and Conservative Perfidy"

Ttrryosborn — Wed, 29 Jun 2005 07:04:51 +0100

ronr327, I am coming to the conclusion that the most appropriate response to a very great deal of what you post here would be: WAKE UP! What's that in your hands? Yuk!

ronr327 on "Rove, Durbin and Conservative Perfidy"

ronr327 — Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:59:56 +0100

tt, I am coming to the conclusion that the most appropriate response to a very great deal of what you post here would be: Shoo Fly! And I must note the pro admin. people here STILL have said nothing in re the post which leads this string.

Ttrryosborn on "Rove, Durbin and Conservative Perfidy"

Ttrryosborn — Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:51:36 +0100

ron327, Are your wet dreams always this long?

brolly3 on "Rove, Durbin and Conservative Perfidy"

brolly3 — Sun, 26 Jun 2005 02:34:40 +0100

ronr327, An excellent insight into the wickedness of the Bush outfit and its leadng gunslinger, Karl Rove. henry_hart's eloquent response demonstrates in one sentence the utter bankruptcy of the apologists and henry's own high degree of articulacy. Message was edited by: brolly3

henry_hart_1 on "Rove, Durbin and Conservative Perfidy"

henry_hart_1 — Sun, 26 Jun 2005 01:25:31 +0100

Harrumph! Sputter sputter. Fume. (Mutter). Henry Hart

Rove, Durbin and Conservative Perfidy,

ronr327 — Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:59:20 +0100

Led by none other than Karl Rove, the Republican spin machine has taken it to a whole other level with the assault on Dick Durbin. For those not familiar with this latest imbroglio, in the course of a long speech on the floor of the US Senate, Senator Durbin (Illinois) quoted a, by now, quite familiar passage from an FBI agents report about things witnessed at Guantanamo ( . . . . prisoners left naked, chained to the floor, exposed to severe extremes of temperature, lying in their own excrement . . .). Durbin then went on to make a quite unexceptionable observation that hearing such things, without being made aware of the source, would leave one believing one had heard something done by the Nazis, or in Stalins gulag, or in Pol Pots Cambodia, not something done by Americans to prisoners under their control. (Would anyone, and certainly any American, contend they would believe Americans capable of such acts, and the Nazis/Stalin/Pol Pot et al would not be capable of them?) Read the rest of this post...