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brolly3 on "Terrorism War Is The Main Terrorism Generator"

brolly3 — Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:28:40 +0100

henry_hart, Isn't it significant that instead of posting anything that relates to the discussions you are now devoting your time to making personal attacks. I respond to these in order to prevent you from distorting the record but also maintain a steady level of relevant comment. In your case the subject matter has been relegated almost entirely to a few one liners to show that you are still around but not much else. This shows just how lazy you are or a growing lack of interest in debate and an increasing taste for invective.

henry_hart_1 on "Terrorism War Is The Main Terrorism Generator"

henry_hart_1 — Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:36:55 +0100

Interesting that your laziness and lack of concern about your writing (note the many misspellings and multple "edited by" tags) is so closely mirrored by the intellectual laziness so common in your ideas (countless examples of repetition, reliance on others to get your message across, toadying to your intellectual betters). And now, somehow, it's my fault for pointing it out. I'm complacent? Perhaps you should strive to do better and take some responsibility, rather than shoot the bearer of the bad news. But then, I forgot -- that just ain't the lefty way. HH

brolly3 on "Terrorism War Is The Main Terrorism Generator"

brolly3 — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:17:45 +0100

henry_hart, You once again reveal the pettiness of your nature. Most people on OD, with a few exceptions, make typographical errors. You are alone in making the most use of the most derogatory interpretation of this commonplace occurence and allege misspelling because it is part of your agenda to denigrate your opponents. This is a transparant tactic that can be seen by all and I am sure they will form the same judgements as I have in this regard. henry, try as you might, you simply do not achieve your goal and in continuing your imaginery onslaught from the summit of your complacency, you simply lose more of the last vestiges of any credibility you once may have held.

Neocynic on "Terrorism War Is The Main Terrorism Generator"

Neocynic — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:14:10 +0100

The Real Terrorists Are Identified 25,000 Civilians Killed Since Iraq Invasion, Says Report by Simon Jeffery The number of Iraqi civilians who met violent deaths in the two years after the US-led invasion was today put at 24,865 by an independent research team. The figures, compiled from Iraqi and international media reports, found US and coalition military forces were responsible for 37% of the deaths, with anti-occupation forces and insurgents responsible for 9%. A further 36% were blamed on criminal violence. http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5242694-10 [...] In the eyes of an Iraqi, who are the terrorists? By a 4-1 margin, they seem to be wearing US uniforms.

henry_hart_1 on "Terrorism War Is The Main Terrorism Generator"

henry_hart_1 — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 02:21:45 +0100

I am not sure whether Owly and I are to be pitied or pitted, but that appears beside the point ... "I have long felt that I have given too much of my time in the service of supplying my OD followers, such as henry_hart (and owly, according to henry),with high grade commentary and have thought of slackening my endeavours but I have realized how much this would deprive henry of his sustenance and will now continue to make a sacrifice so that he will not be denied his one and only only channel to the truth." Only one only was necessary, my befuddled friend. But I am thrilled to hear that you're not going anywhere for the forseeable future ... that is, of course, unless the men in the white coats come sooner, or whoever has charge of you finally decides to put you in the old commies' home. But I must say, the false modesty does not become you: "No doubt you will ... attempt to make light of this by saying that you read them for entertainment value, but this will fool nobody." Brolly, do not hide your light under a bushel -- you should be happy you can amuse people! It's a rare gift, my friend, and mimes and clowns and carnival folk sometimes spend years perfecting their arts. And here you are, able to produce the same effect in a few short, misspelled paragraphs, and you pooh-pooh your talent! I think you ought to be proud, stand tall and take pleasure in the fact that you are the most replete, polished and finely-honed buffoon on this site. I, for one, salute you for it! Henry

brolly3 on "Terrorism War Is The Main Terrorism Generator"

brolly3 — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:50:34 +0100

["I cannot speak for Owly, but I suspect that he, like I, does indeed recognize absolute folly when it stares us in the face. After all, have we not spent months reading the ridiculous, hackneyed, redundant tripe posted by our deliciously feeble-minded friend? If his senescent ramblings do not constitute absolute folly, then nothing does".] I am puzzled why both you and owly spend months reading what you assert to be ridiculous,hackneyed, redundant tripe. In as much as all these posts clearly bear the name of the deliciously feeble-minded friend you mention, I am surprised by your sheer lack of discernment, as it so easy for you to avoid reading them. Surely this is clear evidence of your compulsion to read the eminently sensible content of these posts. No doubt you will be embarressed by the revalation you have made of your compulsion to read the posts you refer to and will attempt to make light of this by saying that you read them for entertainment value, but this will fool nobody.Only people who have nothing else worthwhile to do would pursue such an empty course. If this is the case, as appears likely from what you have said, then both henry (and owly, according to henry) are to be truly pittied for having reached a stage in their lives when they have need to engage in such a futile waste of time, according to their own confession. I have long felt that I have given too much of my time in the service of supplying my OD followers, such as henry_hart (and owly, according to henry),with high grade commentary and have thought of slackening my endeavours but I have realized how much this would deprive henry of his sustenance and will now continue to make a sacrifice so that he will not be denied his one and only only channel to the truth. Message was edited by: brolly3

henry_hart_1 on "Terrorism War Is The Main Terrorism Generator"

henry_hart_1 — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:22:47 +0100

"Henry_hart and owly, of course, are unable to recognize absolute folly when it stares them in the face." I cannot speak for Owly, but I suspect that he, like I, does indeed recognize absolute folly when it stares us in the face. After all, have we not spent months reading the ridiculous, hackneyed, redundant tripe posted by our deliciously feeble-minded friend? If his senescent ramblings do not constitute absolute folly, then nothing does. HH

brolly3 on "Terrorism War Is The Main Terrorism Generator"

brolly3 — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:40:12 +0100

henry_hart and owly, I see that you are both speaking your usual rubbish. Nothing can disabuse you both of the idiocy of your positions. Iraq is a prime example of success in bringing security and democracy to the Middle East.Thousands killed by 'shock and awe' US bombs ( 8,000 according to some figures out today) and anther 17,000 from other bombings, which are due to the sublime US policy of dividing and ruling the Shias and Sunnis. This is the ideal model for winning hearts and minds of the Arabs in the Middle East. Not even the village idiot could have devised a policy less likely to achieve the professed aims. Henry_hart and owly, of course, are unable to recognize absolute folly when it stares them in the face.

henry_hart_1 on "Terrorism War Is The Main Terrorism Generator"

henry_hart_1 — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:27:26 +0100

Actually, Owly, we should be grateful that the lazy arse deigned to get out of bed and share his wisdom with us today. Bravo, bumbershoot. HH

owly on "Terrorism War Is The Main Terrorism Generator"

owly — Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:47:34 +0100

I see you're still pathetic brolly.

brolly3 on "Terrorism War Is The Main Terrorism Generator"

brolly3 — Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:37:43 +0100

owly, More of your usual Bush *** licking.

owly on "Terrorism War Is The Main Terrorism Generator"

owly — Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:03:51 +0100

Islamic terrorism has a long history and Bin Liner is merely the latest manifestation of it. People like Bin Liner and the jihadist in general have an almost simplistic view of the world, and a callous disregard for the sanctity of life. To understand them better you need to look at the writings of people like Sahyid Qutb, hanged by Nasser in the 1960s. It was from Qutb that they get this loathing of the West and its liberal values and our liberal ways. Qutb thought that when the people of the Middle East saw the error of their rulers they would rise up and overthrown them. They did not. Thus he concluded that they the people were so irredeemably corrupt that he felt murder was justified; the results we see everyday in Iraq. You can't negotiate with this nonsense, nor can you reason with it. All you can do is fight it and destroy it. Over the last few days it has rather amused me to hear Muslim leaders saying much of what I have said on this site and others for a number of years, and for which quite recently I was accused of being a 'racist' for saying. We need more integration of the Muslim communities in our society, not less and we certainly don't need the ghetto mentality we seem to have now. The simple fact is that the Islamic world created this terrorism and they must solve it. To blame the West at every verse end as many are seeking to do, and many do on here, is just arrant nonsense. I would partly agree with Eduardo that many of the governments of the Middle East do not represent their peoples. Personally I think we should allow the winds of change to blow and if it blows many of their houses down, then so be it. Bin Liner has been able to flourish because there is so little political descent within the Arab world, but it is a grave mistake to blame this on the West. May be President Bush is right to think that democracy is part of the answer. For those of you who think he is wrong I wonder what solution you have to offer, aside from the usual self-loathing of course.

Eduardo Ferreira on "Terrorism War Is The Main Terrorism Generator"

Eduardo Ferreira — Mon, 18 Jul 2005 06:18:45 +0100

TimLFrancis, Certainly it is good that we may agree in some things. However I do not believe the world will remain as it is, as you appear to. Bin Laden certainly is working for an end, and let us hope he does not succeed. The fact that he opposes the secular Arab Governments could be dangerous, because those governments do not represent its population: does that mean that the radical extremist could be taken for the alternative? I do not know, but the idea is troublesome. Therefore you must understand my worry that sufficient arguments and perceived proofs may be provided to the extremists' case, and all this under the idea of fighting terrorism!

TimLFrancis on "Terrorism War Is The Main Terrorism Generator"

TimLFrancis — Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:38:55 +0100

> And besides, Bin Laden’s argument IS with the > Governments of the Middle East, since they are mostly > secular and he would like to have an Islamic > Caliphate, but he cannot afford to alienate the > common Arab. So, the best tactic is to attack the US. > (Iraq may present an exception, but essentially there > is a religious reason for this) Eduardo, I see we are all on common ground here. I actually think we are not so far apart -- you and I and IM -- and that it is only a few disagreements and some semantics that separates us. On that last point, you protest that the U.S., and the West, is not always a "knight in white armor saving the world" or words to that effect. I've never said she was (though I always did like those early 20th-century posters of Columbia with sword raised aka Joan of Arc), and I suspect we are in agreement on the limitations of foreign policy for any country, even a superpower. Given some of the statements by Osama bin Laden and other jihadists, it really does seem like they have some irreconciliable differences with the West & with secular Arab governments. And that makes it a very difficult problem to "solve," one that will baffle all of us long after GWB retires in Jan 2009. Tim

Eduardo Ferreira on "Terrorism War Is The Main Terrorism Generator"

Eduardo Ferreira — Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:19:45 +0100

Iron Mike, "US presence long pre-dates the first Gulf War. I myself was deployed there in 1984 during the "Tanker Wars" between Iran and Iraq." That may be true, but never with the level of forces of the 90’s. Besides, I do not expect Bin Laden to use a logical argument, just one his followers would buy. But I have some quotes that will help clarify the issue: "The International Islamic Front for Jihad against the U.S. and Israel has issued a crystal-clear fatwa calling on the Islamic nation to carry on jihad aimed at liberating holy sites. The nation of Muhammad has responded to this appeal. If the instigation for jihad against the Jews and the Americans in order to liberate Al-Aksa Mosque and the Holy Ka'aba Islamic shrines in the Middle East is considered a crime, then let history be a witness that I am a criminal." - Osama bin Laden May 1999 [Holy Ka'aba is in Mecca, while Al-Aksa is on Jerusalen ] "We swore that America wouldn't live in security until we live it truly in Palestine . This showed the reality of America, which puts Israel's interest above its own people's interest. America won't get out of this crisis until it gets out of the Arabian Peninsula , and until it stops its support of Israel." -Osama bin Laden, October 2001 And besides, Bin Laden’s argument IS with the Governments of the Middle East, since they are mostly secular and he would like to have an Islamic Caliphate, but he cannot afford to alienate the common Arab. So, the best tactic is to attack the US. (Iraq may present an exception, but essentially there is a religious reason for this)

Terrorism War Is The Main Terrorism Generator,

Solve et Coagula — Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:20:19 +0100

Terrorism War Is The Main Terrorism Generator By Terrell E. Arnold 7-14-5 Last week's bombings in London stoked a fire storm of commentary about the state of the War on Terrorism, US and Coalition military engagements in Iraq and Afghanistan, and even the definition of terrorism. The pit was reached with Tony Blair's assertion that they-the terrorists-"will never destroy what we hold dear," because, as several commentators have noted, the bombers are not really interested in what we hold dear. They want the Americans and the British out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and an end to the Israeli persecution of the Palestinian people. The high point of this furor was reached, again by Tony Blair, who mused, quite rightly, but almost as an afterthought, that something must be done about the causes of terrorism. Read the rest of this post...