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Ttrryosborn on "Why Islamophobia is so Evil"

Ttrryosborn — Mon, 23 May 2005 05:17:27 +0000

victim, The world would be better without Islam? That won't happen so what is a realistic alternative? Finding friends within Islam at odds with its radical elements and giving them your maximum support. As for the radicals, never give in.

victim on "Why Islamophobia is so Evil"

victim — Mon, 23 May 2005 00:26:22 +0000

> So what do you think about Islam as a whole? What is > the other side of the ledger? Does there have to be another side to the ledger? No. On balance I see pretty much nothing of value in Islam. But let me clarify first. Muslims(?) of my acquaintance fall into three groups. 1) The unashamedly nasty - including a veiled woman who said she'd thump me if I persisted in trying to get her to read those Qur'anic excerpts (let alone discuss them), who evidently have no problem with the nastiness of the Qur'an and evidently havent bothered to notice the accompanying stupidness. 2) Those who are probably engaging in deception (taqiwa is the spelling?) -- either that or severely intellectually warped (including all those "Islamic scholars", Professors etc). 3) Those who are genuinely well-meaning but have been fooled by the preceding lot (abetted by the Jihad Denial of the UK media/politicoes). That latter group have much to commend them, such as genuinely peaceful, positive values, restrained clothing, no drunkenness, a commitment to stable relationships etc. But none of those good things are exclusive to Islam, and they are not really Islamic anyway. A bit like Eysenck's great comment on Freud: "what's true isn't new, and what's new isn't true". So, just as the world is a better place without Nazism, likewise without Islam.

Ttrryosborn on "Why Islamophobia is so Evil"

Ttrryosborn — Sat, 21 May 2005 02:37:50 +0000

victim, So what do you think about Islam as a whole? What is the other side of the ledger?

victim on "Why Islamophobia is so Evil"

victim — Fri, 20 May 2005 23:41:31 +0000

I haven't read Mein Kampf, but there is certainly much more that Islam has in common with Nazism than it has with major religions such as Christianity, Buddhish, Hinduism etc. In fact the superficial similarities to Christianity (monotheism, praying etc) hide an utter contradiction at the level of values - Christianity is all about pacifism, loving enemies, persuading and telling the truth even at cost of one's life -- whereas Islam (in any authentic versions) is largely about warmongering, hating, bullying and deliberate deceit. Here's a quote relating to fascism. There are some very striking parallels between Islam and Nazism. 1. Both their founders inspired and personally directed a program of aggressive expansionist military campaigning. 2. Both their founders were preoccupied with making a sharp distinction between (supposedly) worthy and unworthy people, with the lives of the latter considered of no value. 3. Their founders (or Allah Himself) were significantly preoccupied with being nasty to those unworthy people. 4. There was a preoccupation with respecting the founder, and avoidance of disrespect to the founder, on pain of death – the “Heil Hitler” salute, the constant appending of (pbuh) (peace be upon him) after Mohammed’s name. 5. The use of symbols to distinguish between the worthy and the unworthy – Jewish stars, Islamic dress and greetings (“assalum aleikam”, as if for some strange reason peacefulness cannot be taken for granted in Islamic circles and has to be constantly reaffirmed, not at all strange really when you consider the violent past and present). 6. Both entailed robust intolerance of criticism, with dissenters killed and their ideas and evidence censored. 7. Both featured quasi-religious aspects (Islam is actually a heresy of Christianity rather than a new religion [1] ; Hitler tried to capture the Pope so as to replace Christianity with a new Hitler-religion [2].) (refs: 1: Hillaire Belloc The heresy of Mohammed; 2: Guardian article 2005) How much more evidence can we really need that Islam is, in its origin at least, no less a form of fascism than Nazism? Another point about fascism is that because it stifles creativity and especially scientific creativity (which depends on highly valuing the truth, a peculiarly non-Islamic thing), fascism consequently tends to lose out in the longer term. Thus Hitler's armies were great at attacking but when it came to defending against the subhumans they didn't have a decent plan b ready. Likewise the Islamic world eventually got overtaken by the primitive Europeans, and right now the whole Islamic world is an economic backwater simply because of the intellectually deadening effect of Islam -- even India is having to build a 2500-mile fence to keep out economic migrants from Islamic territory! Part of the "strength" of the Islamic version is that it got off to an easy start (the Byzantine and Persian empires had just trashed one another or somesuch), so the founder's great testament became rather long and thus gave all the more opportunity for ignorance of what the follower was/wasn't actually following and believing.

Ttrryosborn on "Why Islamophobia is so Evil"

Ttrryosborn — Fri, 20 May 2005 20:51:11 +0000

victim, so would it be fair to compare these parts of the Qu'ran with Mein Kampf?

victim on "Why Islamophobia is so Evil"

victim — Wed, 18 May 2005 09:24:39 +0000

It's not clear quite what you are asking or why, but I'll add the following. Firstly, when I used the phrase "pre-emptive strikes", it would probably be more accurate to say "unprovoked aggression". As MM Pickthall's summary of Islamic historical sources in "The meaning of the Glorious Qur'an" shows, Mohammed "sent out" a lot of military campaigns. So these can hardly have been defences against armies besieging them. In the case of Syria, a substantial chunk of a Koran chapter is taken up with haranguing those who failed to join him on his first aggression against Syria. You really should just read the Qur'an to see how bursting full of hate and warmongering it is. And what an incoherent disorganised ramble-jumble of fascistic opinionation it is. That's in total contrast to the coherent writing of the Gospels (which you should also read at least one of). Part of Islam's power has been that few sane people can cope with spending days reading through the incoherent rants of a thoroughly nasty person. And thus selective quotes of relatively nice bits can be trotted out to the well-meaning ignorant faithful (and gullible Westerners) without any challenge.

Ttrryosborn on "Why Islamophobia is so Evil"

Ttrryosborn — Fri, 13 May 2005 01:50:18 +0000

victim, What was that part about a pre-emptive strike into Syria?

Why Islamophobia is so Evil,

victim — Thu, 12 May 2005 23:53:40 +0000

Why Islamophobia is so Evil The Quran is Allahs Last Testament and cannot be updated. There is NONE who can change His words [Quran 6.115]; None can change the words of God [6:34]; There is no changing the words of God [10:65]; There is none who can alter His words [18:27]. Why should you believe anyone who tells you that the Quran is wrong and can be updated? After all, if it could be updated, why not just update the whole thing into the bin and start from scratch? Heres what Allahs Last Testament (un-updated) teaches us: Warfare is prescribed for you [2:216]. Who so fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or victorious, on him we shall bestow a vast reward. [4:74] Hast thou not seen those unto whom it was said: Withhold your hands and establish worship and pay the poor-due? But when fighting was prescribed for them, behold! a party of them fear mankind even as they fear Allah or with greater fear, and say: Our Lord! why hast Thou ordained fighting for us? If only Thou wouldst give us respite for a while. I Say: The comfort of this world is scant; the Hereafter will be better for him that wardeth off evil. [4:77] "Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers." [48:29] Slay the pagans wherever ye find them.[9:5] Fight the unbelievers till they pay the Jizya (heavy tax on non-Muslims) and are subdued.[9:29] "If they accept Islam, desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya [heavy tax on non-Muslims]. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them" [Sahih Muslim, book 19, no. 4294]. "Men are in charge of women ... good women are obedient ... from those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and scourge them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great." [4:34] The Quran also shows us it is lawful to rape the women we capture in warfare: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives and those whom thy right (sword) hand possesses of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee. [33:50]. Married women are forbidden to you except the captives your sword hand possesses. [4:24] Some charlatans try to make out that jihad does not mean heroic sword-wielding but really only means intellectual, psychological and moral struggle. Or that the jihad can only be of a defensive, non-aggressive nature. But one would hardly be slain or victorious and capturing women with ones sword hand unless one were engaged in aggressive warfare. And further proof of what Jihad really means is seen in Mohammeds actual military achievements: "The number of campaigns which he led in person during the last ten years of his life is twenty-seven, in nine of which there was hard fighting. The number of the expeditions which he planned and sent out under other leaders is thirty-eight." (M.M. Pickthall, The Meaning of the Glorious Qur'an). Having converted the whole of Arabia, the Prophet led pre-emptive military campaigns into Syria. After his death the glorious Jihad was continued by his successors and achieved continuing success, to the extent of reaching Tours/Poitiers in France only a century later in 732, victoriously liberating Constantinople/Istanbul from its residents in 1453, and beseiging infidel-occupied Vienna in 1683. When the Jihad reached the Indus valley the region now called Pakistan an estimated 80 million infidels were disposed of (along with a dozen worthless universities and cities and many hundreds of Buddhist monasteries). The Urdu (Arabised Hindi) language uniquely takes its name from the army camps in which it developed. And the Hindu Kush is the only mountain range to have such a glorious name as one unambiguously meaning Hindu Slaughter. Furthermore, Islam tells you the honest truth, because the Quran is the flawless word of God . Do they not ponder on the Qur'an? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy. [4:82]. Allah created the heavens and the earth in six days [7:54, 10:3, 11:7, 25:59], and Allah created the heavens and the earth in eight days [41:9-12]. Allah created man from a blood clot [96:1-2], from water [25:54], from clay [15:26], from dust [30:20], from nothing [3:47]. Every being that is in the heavens and on earth: all are devoutly obedient to Him. [30:26] and the Quran also wisely makes hundreds of references to those who are not obedient [2:11-20, 3:10-12, etc etc] and the horrors that await them. The Qurans maths is far beyond degree-level grade too: Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property. The Quran also repeatedly reminds us that the Bibles of the Christians and Jews are also true accurate revelations of Allah, and then goes on to very extensively correct their errors, and especially to sharply disprove Christs clearly unworthy message of non-violent loving of enemies and non-retaliation (forgive them for they know not what they do [Luke 23]; Love your enemies as yourself. [Matt.5:44]). There is a website which provides fuller details and can answer your other queries, called www. answering-islam.org . Would you be proud to associate yourself with the Qurans true and accurate common-sense wisdom, and with such merciful victoriousness? If so you should seriously consider becoming a Muslim. For reasons that should now be obvious, a great many are doing that right now, despite the efforts of fascistic bullying and censorship to stem the flow from an ideology that has no better answers its to intellectual bankrupty. You may not be able to change the colour of your skin. But, then, you may also not have it in you to prefer truth, honesty, honorableness and civilised decency either You decide yourself [2:11-20, 3:10-12, etc etc]. or Allah decides [30:26]. depending on which verses of Allahs flawless Quran you are following today.