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 <description>English is perhaps your second language, but it is my third language. Readers would tell who needs to go back to school to learn how to write properly. In our debate, I provided the followings: 
1. Founding of Christianity 600 years before Mohammed came to exist. 
2. Mohammed killings and teachings that encouraging killings of Jews and non believers; that teaching are often cited by islamic militants.
3. Killings of the unbelievers because instigators wanted to have sex with 72 women in some heavenly paradise. What a stupid god to provide virgins to criminals. I questioned the validity of this teaching, pointing to the fact that sex is a physical phenomenal never been a spiritual concept. 
4. Islamic aggression and aims as found in the Qu&#039;ran. 
5. Christian Bible never predicted Mohammed as Islam claimed. 
6. Islamic history of violence against christians that sparked Westerns crusades against Islamic occupation of Christian holy sites in Jerusalem. 

I don&#039;t know how plain you would want me to explain this things. As far as Iam concern, you are just oblivious and extremely indoctrinated, thus, nomatter how hard one tries to feed you informations-they are out the window. You need to rethink your religious beliefs or else leave this forum and strap bombs around your bodies and walk into the malls, detonate it for thats what Muslims are good at! 

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 <description>jtmoana:
1.names that you mentioned Mostly wrong and is not clear .
2.I think I talked about the Bible and you did not answer (who failed now).
3.Why you did not remember the reasons for killing them (when you write some events write it full).
4.your english weak Please take education course .
5.I will mention full events later (and I will disclose you your stupidity).
6.I said previously You would not be able to defeat me (and you saw that on the subject of Jesus and bible)is that right.

good night (and see you tomorrow )............</description>
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 <description>As usual. Denying the truth about Islamic aggression and attrocity. Learn politics and religion before engaging others in public debates, is my only advice to you!</description>
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 <description>jtmoana:
It is a shame to say that about god if you have a corn religion , Not ratified yourself that You are a Christian  you are unbeliever (its a truth).
why you wrote the insult in arabic language are you afread to disgrace you in front of all christians here.
 will not take up my time with the infidel does not respect God There is nothing called religion in your dictionary (I wanted to reply you and You know, so I can
But I will not take up my time with a disbeliever and ignorant)I Swear to God, if Christ heard what you said he disavowed you and any one like yourself.</description>
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 <description>Interesting reading

http://moderatesrefuted.wordpress.com/about/</description>
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 <description>Thanks for confirming your stupid religion&#039;s aggressive behavior, it is such a relief to see that you aren&#039;t ashame of telling the world the true identity of Islam and its believers or followers: I just couldn&#039;t hold but laughed out loud at your writing. Very cheap, arrogant, and incoherent! 
This is the conclusion, the climax of our debate. 

You wrote, 

5. Please before Balli ask the americans why They burn our mosques in Iraqs and the killing of women and children and Impure the quraan by drawing crucifixes on it why ? as I told you (Every action has a reaction ) Then there are undoubtedly acts of revenge like balli.
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This is Mohammed&#039;s philosophy, to kill those who kill you and to hurt those who hurt you. Those innocent people in Bali and the World Trade Center didn&#039;t know or even involved in any political issues that Muslims claimed undermined their religions! Evil is evil, you can&#039;t pay back wrong against wrong, is the philosophy of Christian people. Mohammed was evil and so are his followers! They killed because they don&#039;t agree with politics? This is ignorance and pure religious indoctrination. 
Finally, I don&#039;t know how you could keep your penis active when you have your 72 virgins, and I wonder how spirits have sex when they don&#039;t have flesh and borns. Do they have erection in the spirit world? Erection is phyiscal phenomenon. Is ALLAH a SEX MANIAC GOD? Seems like it!</description>
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 <description>hello:
1. from where you brought that muslims were killed un belivers from syria to spain all your informations wrong I thing you are from arabs christian (why you dont ask yourself how you remained on my religion in the land of Islam if they killed the christ&amp;amp;jews).
2.the muslims fought the pagans when they wanted to Eliminating the Islam.
3.about balli and 9/11 its refused from all people It is not related to Islam which learned the world the ethics of war (read a history).
4.you shouldnt say about Criminal acts its come from your religion (when you say its religion thats meaning its from god and god dont learn us the crime ,when I say the christians did I dont mean the Christian religion I criticized the acts that come in the name of Christ ,and you did not give me any  text of the Koran calls for violence well how you say the Islam calling for violence?!!!!!!!!!.

5. Please before Balli ask the americans  why  They burn our mosques in Iraqs and the killing of women and children and Impure the quraan  by drawing crucifixes on it why ? as I told you (Every action has a reaction ) Then there are undoubtedly acts of revenge like balli .

6.virgins they get married them not sex realationship .its only for who entering  paradise Those who believe in God ,Doing good things ,And avoid excesses ,They believe all the prophets Including the Prophet Mohammed (may be you dont know the first man who told to mohammeds uncle that mohammeds is a prophet was a christian hes name is (Bahira) read the history.

7.why you  become nervous When I say that Jesus is not the son of God (I gave many proofs in old &amp;amp; new testament in other post ) please if you want to response about your opinion you could go to (Zawa-subject)and read ,Iwant to write like these proofs .

8.Muslims always were and still Living with all religions peacefully With Christians, Jews, Buddhists even worships devils and Iknow many of them in the north of Iraq .

9.if you read a quraan you will sea hundred of Scientific miracles like (the god said:who go away from the guidance way the god will make his chest narrow and press like who ascend to the sky )and in the last 10 years the Astronauts  Find these scientific truth The Koran talked about it before 1430 years ago (could you tell me how mohammeds prophet knew this scientific fact).</description>
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 <description>jtmoana:
1.As I told you before you jump of the question to another (only to say the Islam is a bad religion )and you couldnot prove anything .
2.I wrote previously about the Bible and I quoted by the bible itself not quraan to lie your words about Islam and Jesus (and you cant show me any form from bible or old testament against quraan).
3. You say  that muslims is not bring any thing for europe (That in itself will make everyone know you are ignorant ) all western authors who wrote about Spain confessed that the Arabs had a bigger role in the renaissance of Europe modern (In my visit to Spain in 1996 Specifically in the Andalusian cities the christians there like arabs (and I cant forget when we had a lunch in Granada The owner of a restaurant in Granada Refused to pay him after he knew that we are Arabs (you need to study history by deeply way).

4.you did not give me any thing about muslims massacres Of course, there was no such thing (its your formation).

5.Yes, God promised martyrs by 72 virgins pure ,clean for believers only (The martyr in defense of religion ,  propertys ,parents, himself )In such cases become a martyr do understand now.

6.please dont say about sex (because It makes me very Laugh )You are more people exercising immorality And homosexuality and illegitimate children , and if you want I have many statistics about illegitimate children in europe states you did not hear it before (Is this what motivated by Jesus).

7.Mohammeds prophet (GBAP) ((married her )) and the girls formerly married in this age and you can see it in India untill now ,Is it not better than one wife and 10 others  Prostitutes (is this your religion),Women in our religion have been affected by such jewel Do not disclose only to her husband or her parents not like your women To eliminate sexual lust,And as a means of propaganda ,Revealing her body for every man (See how girls in your society so cheap).in arabic countries she worke like a men It has all the rights Even in the political parliaments ,Islam prohibits women beaten. muslims Families have the lowest violent in the world and I will show you Many statistics (Family violence on the West ).

8.I advice you to read about our prophets life (mohs prophet said that any muslim assault on christian like who hurt him) ............ and the same for all religions .


9.the jews Stayed with the Prophet, peace document That they have freedom of worship the only condition not to stand with the infidels against Muslims .but look what they did:Allied with the infidels in the siege of Medina , Seven attempts to kill him (so what do you want from our Prophet)hes a mercy of god to huminity and the jews wanted to kill him In the end, the prophet expulsion them .

10.do you look how I refute your speech point by point .
11. You should go to the nearest health center to Discover that  you are sick .

12.Jesus called the world to loveAnd respect for opinion , not to envy and hatred and claim that you love Jesus and observing his orders.</description>
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 <description>Iam wasting my time with you, but I will leave you with this statement, &quot;leopards can&#039;t change its spots!&quot; they will always be there, so are you! You said you have more proofs but you don&#039;t. You asked me to provide you with proofs of massacre? You kidding me? What happen to all your knowledges of events taken place in the Middle Eastern nations and in Europe? I outlined to you the wars that your religion waged against Christians that sparked Christian crusades, yet you want proofs. 
Two main ironic statements emerged from the way you debate:
1. Error 1. You claimed that there &quot;ever&quot; nations that Islamic militants waged since the death of Mohammed was peaceful. No wars in this world ever occurred without bloodshed or massacre... this statement would make international readers laugh! its the greatest joke of the century. 
2. Error 2. Islam brought nothing to Europe (and any other countries they invaded) and Europeans (and Americans) beings destruction to the people. Thats the worst piece of writing I&#039;ve ever seen from someone who is trying to defend a particular religion to worldwide audience. I would describe this as a &quot;terrible masterpiece.&quot;

YOu go back and read some of the wars I quoted here and found out for yourself how Islamic militants behave when they invaded all these countries. Mind you, Turkey, maybe moderate in Islamic views, but laws of that lands are clear about protecting Islam and underminding Christians right to exercise their religious freedoms as other Christians thought out the world.

I want you to read some of the writings of a man supposedly an Arab who wrote about the fallacy of Islam;

Islam: A False Religion
by Amil Imani: He is an Iranian born, pro democracy activist who resides in the United States of America. Imani is a poet, writer, literary translator, novelist and an essayist who has been writing and speaking out for the struggling people of his native land, Iran.
......
Lies and more lies
1. The biggest scam in Islam, especially Shia Islam is perhaps the notion of &quot;Taqqiyeh,&quot; an immoral tactic to lie for a good cause and later retract your words (the belief that the end justifies the means.) Islam is all about schemes, war, and violence.
2. Prophet Mohammed was an extremely violent man, a man of war. ... That is why we see so many suicide bombers in our era. They simply are following what the prophet of Islam had planned for them. Islam rewards those who become martyrs with 72 virgins. So, sex is what the Arab Muslim murderers die for. It is all about sex. This must tell us a lot about the prophets own appetite for sex. He did not spare anyone; even 9-year-old girls were not immune to his sexual wrath. Worship a sex-maniac and a child molester? I think NOT.
3. Muslims are true victims of Islam. However, they fail to realize that Islam is a cult, and the prophet was a demon, possessed by a huge sexual appetite. Yes, true Muslims firmly believe, that those who die in the act of killing the infidels (Christians, Jews, and other non-believers) will not only gain entrance into heaven, but will be greeted by 72 virgin women -- most likely, all 9-year-old girls.
4. ...Throughout the years, many of the world religions were able to find ways to reform themselves, but NOT Islam. Islam prides itself on having remained unchanged. The Islamic Revolution in Iran presents a clear image of Islam. We do not need to go back to 1,400 years ago and see what the prophet of Islam did. We can see a total replica in the words of his disciples, Ayatollah Khomeini, and the newly selected president of Iran, Mr. Ahmadinejad. That is how Islam advanced rapidly around the world, with terror and fear.
5. Quran says; kill, imprison! Why are you only clinging to the part that talks about mercy? Mercy is against God. Mehrab means the place of war, the place of fighting. Out of the mehrabs, wars should proceed, just as all the wars of Islam used to proceed out of the mehrabs. The prophet has [had] sword to kill people. Our [Holy] Imams were quite military men. All of them were warriors. They used to wield swords; they used to kill people. We need a Khalifa who would chop hands, cut throat, stone people.
6. &quot;In the same way that the messenger of God used to chop hands, cut throats, and stone people; in the same way that he massacred the Jews of Bani Qurayza, because they were a bunch of discontented people. If the Prophet used to order to burn a house or exterminate a tribe, that was justice,&quot; said Ayatollah Khomeini.
7. Islam is about forcing women to wear the &quot;hejab&quot; the symbol of backwardness, stupidity, and fanaticism. Women are second class citizens in the Muslim world. The prophet Muhammad takes his 9-year-old (Mohammed was a rapist and a child molester) wife to bed. What kind of man, not to mention a prophet of God, would commit such horrible act of pedophilia? The Quran says women are to be beaten by their husbands, yet Muslim women apparently are fine with this violence, or they could not wait to divorce Islam and run away. Quran says four wives are allowed, but Muhammad had at least 20 or even more. They say, in paradise, women are chained in different areas for men&#039;s pleasure.
8. avid Amir in his article &quot;Views of a Muslim-American&quot; wrote, &quot;It must be understood that it is a mistake to imagine that Islam is an inherently violent and fanatical faith. Islam is a universal religion and there is nothing extremist, monolithic and anti-western about it. Doctrinally, Islam is as blameless as other of the great Universal religions.&quot; But, Mr. Amir, Islam &#039;is&#039; an inherently violent and fanatical faith. It is all written in the holy book of Quran. So, please stop lying to the population and face the facts. The problem with Islam lies not only in the holy book, but it lies in the life of the prophet himself. Muslims incessantly proclaim that the mainstream schools of thought misinterpret the holy book of Quran, yet they fail to recognize that the prophet of Allah lived such an unholy life himself and it is due to his narcissistic life and personality that his followers savagely follow his behavior. 

This is an Iran who perhaps know more about Muslim than you. So read his writings and see where you fit in, after all, I thought he was writing to you because you are doing exactly what other Muslims in the world do. Denying the true identity of Islamic in attempt to find common grounds with other nations of the world. Unfortunately, the world knows better than you do! 

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 <description>jtmoana:
Iam sorry to say :You are suffering from a contradiction in your personal .
1.you said the christians there Do not receive sufficient rights in Lebanon , Syria and Iran(Igave you proofs) and now you say about Turkey (did you forget that Turkey a Secular State )and turkey dont care about your religions muslim or christian please Be realistic .
2.why you run away of my questions (I answer with proofs)
about you only Jump from the question to another question (its not my problem You did not read history carefully ).
3.I look for the truth but you want to oppose muslim only.
4. Earlier you were talking about forcing Muslims to Christians to enter to Islam , now you say about muslims wars against christians (all nations have wars To continue This applies to Islam and Christianity and jews )

5. give me any Massacre the muslims did it against children and women or old men in the history let we say 9/11 in america and London , but how many muslims were killed in Iraq and sumelia ,afghanistan tell me please .

6.our subjects about did the muslims killed any christian by forcing them to embrace to Islam I told you before No, and Igave you many proofs (You did not prove anything against me until now),I want an only proof about crusaders wars And to deny that the massacres committed in the name of Christianity.

7.I compare you like a person wants to speek only (open his book and give me  The history of the Islamic wars  ,And forget the main theme .

8.muslims invaded many countries ok but what they deployed to all countries (In spain they deployed Industry paper and glass Planting rice, citrus and palm Beautiful architecture like Red Palace in grenada and Science ,At a time when Europe Suffered from the ignorance and injustice .

9. in return what the christians deployed to muslims states Destruction , devastation,theft bounties and murder only The best example of Iraq .

10.Shameful that you insult me by a fool because Iam not insult you (This method losers ) ,is this you was able to learn from Jesus?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
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 <description>Debating with you is like debating with a little boy. It&#039;s also like trying to drive a nail into a wall of concrete. Why? you are circumventing the main debating issues; either you don&#039;t know or you are just ill-informed by your teachers, maybe in Mosques. 
In my posting I didn&#039;t say that Christians were obliterated or eradicated from all Islamic conquered nations. Most of them were tor,tured some fled severe persecution. Others went into hiding for centuries. Ever heard of a lost city in Turkey where 10,000 Christians dug homes into the mountains to escape persecution? If you aren&#039;t sure about this, go to a library and do some more reading. Don&#039;t ask your teacher. 
Today, Christian persecution have been eased dramatically in these Islamic nations, know why? International law is more firm nowadays than in the days of the Islamic conquest. 
You need to ask yourself why these European Powers waged wars against Muslims, in Jersulem, Spain, and elsewhere in 1000 AD? Because Islam invaded the Holy city of Jerusalem that Christians hold dear to their hearts. You also need to ask the question, what happened in the Middle East from the death of Mohammed to 1000 AD? the answer is simple; Islamic army invaded every nation they came across. 
The Christian crusade, led by European Christian empire of Italy, was a responsive act to Islamic attrocity and the desecretion of Christian holy sites in Jersulem. 
Why would Islamic leaders talked more about these crusades when in fact they were the one bringing such Christian battle to the holy land? Let see why Christians became tired of Islamic terrorism and waged two Crusades against Muslims in Jerusalem. 

1. When Mohammed was about to die, 632 A.D. Western Arabia was their strong hold, none other. But he said to his followers, &quot; Let there not be two religions in Arabia and the region&quot;-to expell all Christians and Jews from the sacred land, the Hejaz. How could a prophet ordered an expulsion to all innocent Christians of Arabia? 
2. After his death, his second sucessor, Umar. Within a few years, the Arabian Peninsula was united by the Rashidun Caliphs and Islamic warriors and the spread Islamic through out the region. 
3. Umar marched behind his enemies to conquered Jerusalem. It wasn&#039;t all peaceful let me tell you that. They built they defiled Christian holy places; and the Koran Inscription on the Dome of the Rock written, &quot;Prase be to God who begets no son, and has no partner,&quot; and &quot;he is god, one, eternal. He does not beget , nor is he gotten, and he has no peer.&quot; Thats an insult to Christians like the Danish Cartoons that made Muslims angry in 2006. 
4. Muslim fighters conquered Persian and Byzantine and fought hard but defeated by Emperor Leo III in Constantinopel and save the city for Christians. 
5. Over a 100 years, 700 AD, Islamic army overrun Syria, Palestine, Egypt, Northern Africa, Portugal, France, and Spain. I can&#039;t tell you what ugliness proceeded these invasions, but I will leave that for you to research. Ranshacking the Christian city of Augustine and Athanasius.
6. In 732 AD, France Charles Martel, a.k.a &quot;The Hammer of the Franks,&quot; crashed Muslims warriors and defeated them. 
7. 750 AD, The Amayyads had given away to the Abassids, and the caliphate moved from Damascus to Baghdad. They ruled Iraq until 1258 when the Mongols overrun Mesapotamia. 
8. In 846 A.D Islamic warriors Poitiers, Sicily, Sardinia, and Corsica. Islamic militant invaded Italy and defiled the tomb of the Apostles. Pope Leo IV built a city to protect Christians, now known as the Vatican. 
I can go on and on, but theres no use. My point is that prior to the crusades that you mourned over, Islamic warriors killed, tortured, and defiled Christian cites, overthrew Christian governments and killed hundreds of thousands. Some where burned alive in their synagogues. 
So you can make the Crusades that drove the Muslims out of Jerusalem, but thats a reaction force against ISlamic attrocity. 
Better get that clear. The key is to know what took place between 600 AD when Mohammed died to 1090s of the Christian Crusade. That period of year was an Islamic historic terrorism, PERIOD!</description>
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 <description>there are 9 military campaigns;
I will speek about 1st only :

the campaigns crusade and after the popes speech (Arban second) in the compound klermont 1095 , after appeals kings Byzantium after their defeat of the seljuks in response haven ! the apparent motive of those campaigns as claimed is abandoned the tomb of christ ,the peace of the infidel muslims ! but the real motivation of those campaigns are coveted peerage in establishing the UAE , the greed of some Italian cities in expanding their trade a middle east , and the desire of some nationalities like norman to expand them properties . at the expense of muslims and byzantines ,too! love of adventure and search for opportunities in other regions of the walsh slavery in the general participants in the campaign , this is in addition to defending religious !

the section historians such campaigns in nine campaigns by Mr. Lock and princes of europe against muslims !the first of these campaigns (1095-1099),which was taken over by the crusaders to Jerusalem in the year 1099 and killed all of them without distinction ,as one of them historian man (William Archbishop tire ) in the period , said:(it was the massacre in every city very frightening, the bloodshed was very daunting to the point where even suffered pain feelings of  horror and revultion &quot;and said: &quot;it was learned other leaders, after they had killed who faced them in parts of city , made many of fled to seek corridors of al-aqsa mosque and therefore they rushed all there , entered a large group of men shouting and the horsemen killed the all who had taken refuge there , did not show any pity for any one of them, the immersion in cold place all victims .......it is impossible to see the large numbers of killed without panic has spread pieces of human corpses in the ground of place , and the land was covered with the same cold dead , it was not the sight of bodies that seperated heads and ribs amputated scattered in all directions is a unit you effects of terror in each of the consideration to it,it was frightening this is saw to winners spirits they are stained blood from their heads to their feet.

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 <description>jtmoana:
1.ok they converted to Islam but not by force (thats not right ) As there was no historical evidence to you .
2.I live in arabic country (I know special zones for Christians there like: sahnaya (in Damascus) theirs many churches in this zone, Jounieh city in lebanon (by the way the christians are not formed majority There is no official statistic ) and the same in Egypt many and many Idont who deceived you ,even the jews in Iran celebrate by their feasts and The presence of the Head of State .

3. Omer ben al-khatab the bible announced him (read another 7 bibles or ask any priest).

4. about crusaders butcheries campaigns you will see it after this topic .</description>
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 <description>You mixed up everything. First of all, Palestine, Syria, Persian empire, Egypt were non Islamic states until Islam waged wars against their goverments. They were invaded by Muslim warriors and converted them to Islam. It is a historical fact, but to make an invasion without a single drop of blood is a joke. Christians who refused to convert were deprived of their right to worship their God and proselyte. 
In fact, Muslims destroyed Jerusalem and occupied it for a millinia. In 1060s, European Christian Empires waged the first Crusade driving Muslims out of Jerusalem only to be retaken years later by jihadists. 
Secondly, you actually asked a question and then answered it with the same question. Why didn&#039;t they turn to Christianity? because they were deprived of their rights. Go to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Syria, Lebanon, Iran, or Egypt and see if Christians preached their faith? they make it a law for Christians not to proselyte or preach in these Islamic nations. 
Also, Omer Bin Al Khatab is not in the Bible. My Bible is clear and theres no such name in it. Is this the Paul of the Koran? because he was hostile to Mohammed and then coverted to Islam later on and succeeded Abu Bakr. He was the commander of Muslim army that conquered most Middle Eastern nations. For your information, the Bible was written 500 years before Islam came to exist. How this man Khatab made it to the Bible is a mystery, you need to come forward and show what Bible you are reading. 
Also, if Chritians taugh us to kill fellow Muslim, I promise you I would leave and become a Muslim. Unfortunately, this is what the Immams are doing, preaching the words of Allah &quot;to kill the infidels.&quot; To teach young people to grow up and to kill and hate is a crime against Humanity. Spain was invaded by Muslims and occupied by the Moors for a while until Ferdinand and Isabella decided to fight against them. They finally drove them out of the city and put the remaining Muslims into complete subjections. Otherwise, Spain would have been a Muslim nation also. 
Finally, Christianity was a religion created out of turmoil and survived on the mercy of the Emperor of Rome. It was to be destroyed but the will of God, it never did. For many years, Christianity was instrumental in civilizing this world long before there was an Islam. Of course there were attrocities committed by Christian pioneers and they are acknowledged. Today, Chrisitianity has long detached from the main stream politics and now engaged in peace loving missions. You can quote any Christian attrocity but remember most wars back then was done in the name of Christianity, why? because most European powers were theocratic governments. They use religion to spread their powers. Today, Christianity has reached a point where government is totally independent from it. 
Go back to school and study history.</description>
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 <description>jtmoana:

Idont know from where you brought these wrong informations ?
1. the muslims liberated palestine by peace way Not shed a single drop of blood (not right they killed and beated).
2. who liberated jeuraselem at that time (omer ben al khatab)he is mentioned in the Bible So it written that hes just and humble (It seems you do not read the Bible )
3.The proportion of Muslims 92% in 1917 (palestine) ok  Why they did not return to Christianity if they forced to enter to islam .
4.It seems you enter mosques more than me (look to your black history with arabs and muslims in spain and in crusades campaign and now in Iraq And I want you to measure it with crimes committed in the name of Christianity .</description>
 <pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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 <description>We heard today lies of the Zionists , Iam sorry Idont like to say Israelis Because the State of Israel illegitimate son in the region . we heared today aboutExcavations And they intend to eliminate by Moroccans road and Nor did they explain why, but merely saying It is old and that special for tourists and Muslims have no relationship with him But, in fact itis one of the most important Islamic monuments. for information they did not take the opinion of international organizations like unisco , and the monuments and relics  comittee in Jerusalem . 
I looking for the temple under The Al-Aqsa Mosque As they say and all these gossips lies in the lie. since 1967 they are looking for the temple and Repeatedly they dont find any thing how long we will stay to see these lies , Why do we expect from people who I considered them not only vomiting of european states in our region , If they can find the temple we will confess of them roots in our land and them state. thank you&lt;div class=&quot;forum-topic-navigation&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/a_love_story_0&quot; class=&quot;topic-previous&quot; title=&quot;Go to previous forum topic&quot;&gt;‹ A love story&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;/george_bush_re_muslims_terrorism_and_progress_0&quot; class=&quot;topic-next&quot; title=&quot;Go to next forum topic&quot;&gt;George Bush RE:  MUSLIMS, TERRORISM, and PROGRESS ›&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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