<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<rss version="2.0" xml:base="http://www.opendemocracy.net" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">
<channel>
 <title>open Democracy News Analysis - Guantánamo and back: an interview with Moazzam Begg, Jane Kinninmont  - Comments</title>
 <link>http://www.opendemocracy.net/conflict-terrorism/moazzam_begg_3328.jsp</link>
 <description>Comments for &quot;Guantánamo and back: an interview with Moazzam Begg, Jane Kinninmont &quot;</description>
 <language>en</language>
<item>
 <title>Guantánamo and back: an interview with Moazzam Begg, Jane Kinninmont </title>
 <link>http://www.opendemocracy.net/conflict-terrorism/moazzam_begg_3328.jsp</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;
Former Guantánamo Bay detainee Moazzam Begg is devastatingly reasonable. He is calm, well-spoken, highly articulate, and small; when imprisoned by the US army in Afghanistan, he says, his hands were small enough to slip out of their cuffs when the guards were absent.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Begg was imprisoned for three years without charge or trial. A British citizen, he was picked up by US intelligence officials in Pakistan in January 2002; they accused him of being a member of al-Qaida, which he denies. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At first, Begg was taken to the Bagram detention centre in Afghanistan, where, he says, he went a year without seeing sunlight. From January 2003, he was moved to Guantánamo Bay. Most of his time there was spent in solitary confinement. 

&lt;div class=&quot;pull_quote_article&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;pull_quote&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Click &lt;a href= http://www.opendemocracy.net/arts/begg_3326.jsp&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; to read an extract from Moazzam Begg&#039;s book &lt;em&gt;Enemy Combatant &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;The British government brought him back to the UK in January 2005, along with three other British detainees. They were all taken in for questioning at Paddington Green police station &amp;#150; and released within 24 hours. No charges have ever been brought against them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Today, Begg is releasing a book, &lt;em&gt;Enemy Combatant: A British Muslim&#039;s Journey To Guantánamo And Back&lt;/em&gt;, about his experiences. This happens &amp;#150; by chance, he says &amp;#150; to coincide with the release of Michael Winterbottom&#039;s new film, &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4708148.stm target=_blank&gt;The Road to Guantánamo&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;, about the three other British detainees, the &quot;Tipton Three&quot;. The timing seems good: criticism of the Guantánamo detention centre is intensifying within the US, the German Chancellor Angela Merkel has called for it to be &lt;a href=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4597856.stm target=_blank&gt;closed&lt;/a&gt;, and UK Prime Minister Tony Blair called it an &quot;anomaly&quot; that would have to be &quot;dealt with sooner or later&quot;, after one of his ministers backed &lt;a href=http://www.guardian.co.uk/Guantánamo/story/0,,1712066,00.html target=_blank&gt;Merkel&#039;s call&lt;/a&gt;. So, might the detention centre be closed?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;I don&#039;t think so. Closing it would be a huge embarrassment to the US, after almost five years of telling the whole world that these dangerous people need to be kept there,&quot; said Begg, speaking in London last night. &quot;It would be such a PR disaster for them. Many guards told me &#039;We&#039;ve gone so far with this, we just have to follow it through, for better or for worse&#039;. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And they just don&#039;t know what else to do with some of the people. There are Chinese Uighurs there who have been deemed not to be al-Qaida or any threat to the US, but they can&#039;t send them back to China where they would probably be executed. They&#039;re building a sixth camp at Guantánamo now, after finishing Camp Five. These are state-of-the-art camps, intended to be permanent.&quot;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;pull_quote_article&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;pull_quote&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Also published by openDemocracy on Guantánamo: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Harold Hongju Koh, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/articles/View.jsp?id=2867&quot;&gt;Captured by Guantánamo&lt;/a&gt;&quot; (September 2005) &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt; David Rose, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/articles/View.jsp?id=2110&quot;&gt;Guantánamo: America&#039;s war on human rights&lt;/a&gt;&quot; (September 2004) &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt; Brandt Goldstein, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/articles/View.jsp?id=2854&quot;&gt;Guantánamo: land without law&lt;/a&gt;&quot; (September 2005) &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt; Isabel Hilton, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/articles/View.jsp?id=3044&quot;&gt;Guantánamo: the United States&#039;s torture&lt;/a&gt;&quot; (November 2005) &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt; Clive Stafford Smith, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/articles/View.jsp?id=2749&quot;&gt;Torture: an idea for our time&lt;/a&gt;&quot; (August 2005)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you find this material enjoyable or provoking please consider &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opendemocracy.net/forums/forum.jspa?forumID=182&quot;&gt;commenting&lt;/a&gt; in our forums &amp;#150; and supporting &lt;b&gt;openDemocracy&lt;b&gt; by sending us a &lt;a href=&quot;/registration2/donate.jsp&quot;&gt;donation&lt;/a&gt; so that we can continue our work for democratic dialogue&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Life as an &quot;enemy combatant&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Begg says he was aware of people being sent from Guantánamo to prisons in other countries. &quot;They themselves told me that people were being sent to Egypt. They told me of Ibn al-Sheikh al-Liby, who they said was a high-ranking member of al-Qaida, who said under torture in Egypt that al-Qaida had links to Saddam Hussein, totally unreliable evidence of course. When I was being tortured in Guantánamo, they threatened me with the same treatment.&quot; &lt;/p&gt; 

&lt;p&gt;Begg is now pursuing legal action against the British government, arguing that the Foreign Office was complicit in illegal interrogation techniques, though he is not holding up much hope for a positive outcome.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The former inmate describes his experiences in a calm, quietly impassioned manner which makes his testimony all the more powerful. He speaks of the ways he tried to keep himself entertained, or at least sane, in solitary confinement: doing hundreds of sit-ups, running on the spot, writing poetry when he could get paper. &quot;I cracked up a couple of times, and smashed my cell up, but that only happened twice in three years,&quot; he said. He is even able to laugh at some of the absurd details, like his reading material while in detention &amp;#150; &lt;em&gt;Wuthering Heights&lt;/em&gt; and old National Geographics with all the maps torn out.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One of the most interesting elements of Begg&#039;s book is that he has positive words about some of the US guards he met in Guantánamo. While in solitary confinement, the only people he could talk to were the American troops, ranging from young Los Angeles gangsters to southern rednecks and an aging Vietnam veteran. How did he keep an open mind towards them? And would he ever go to the US?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;I have never wanted to go to the US as it seems to me to have little history or culture. So I learnt more about the US at Guantánamo than at any other time, talking to the guards about the war of independence, the civil war, slavery, Vietnam ... My conclusion is that it is the most violent nation on earth, at least in modern history. But the guards I met were individuals and I was not going to tar them all with the same brush. That would simply have reciprocated the mistake the US government makes when it assumes all Islamists are hostile.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Begg says he found many of the guards resentful about the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. What would he say to a young American thinking of joining the army?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;I would want to know why, first of all. Most of those I met were weekend warriors &amp;#150; National Guards and reservists who wanted their college fees paid and never expected to be sent abroad. If someone was joining out of conviction, I would say they need to be prepared to die or be injured. And I would ask why they felt that attacking Iraq or Afghanistan was preserving their freedom. This terminology is nonsense. They have been the victim of terrorist attacks, but they are still free.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And what about those soldiers who believed that they were bringing freedom to Afghanistan, liberating the country from the Taliban?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Many I met were idealistic in the early days. In fact, that helped them justify some of the atrocious abuses that took place. But as time went on, they found it harder to see us as terrorists. Increasingly, people are realising that only a very small proportion of the prisoners there have been involved with terrorism.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Back in Britain&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Begg had left the UK well before 9/11. Did he find the British Muslim community, or communities, much changed on his return? &quot;It had changed a great deal since 9/11, with new laws and people being held in Belmarsh. Since 7/7, it has changed even more, with the ban on glorifying terrorism and the frightening shoot-to-kill policy. And most British Muslim organisations have been &lt;a href=http://www.mpacuk.org/content/view/1292/33/ target=_blank&gt;afraid&lt;/a&gt; of campaigning on behalf of Guantánamo detainees in case they really are terrorists.&#039; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Begg is deeply cynical about the anti-terror laws, saying at a recent London talk, &quot;I don&#039;t go in for conspiracy theories, but 7/7 was exactly what they wanted. Terrorism makes people like Bush and Blair stronger.&quot;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;pull_quote_article&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;pull_quote&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;More articles in openDemocracy on British Muslims, multiculturalism and democracy: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt; Tahir Abbas, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/articles/View.jsp?id=3120&quot;&gt;Muslims in Britain after 7/7: the problem of the few&lt;/a&gt;&quot; (December 2005) &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;David Hayes, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/articles/View.jsp?id=2713&quot;&gt;What kind of country?&lt;/a&gt;&quot; &lt;br&gt;(July 2005)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Gilles Kepel, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/articles/View.jsp?id=2775&quot;&gt;Europe&#039;s answer to Londonistan&lt;/a&gt;&quot; (August 2005)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ehsan Masood, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/articles/View.jsp?id=2786&quot;&gt;British Muslims must stop the war&lt;/a&gt;&quot; (August 2005)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Tariq Modood, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/articles/View.jsp?id=2879&quot;&gt;Remaking multiculturalism after 7/7&lt;/a&gt;&quot; (September 2005)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Saleh Bechir &amp; Hazem Saghieh, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/articles/View.jsp?id=2928&quot;&gt;The &#039;Muslim community&#039;: a European invention&lt;/a&gt;&quot; &lt;br&gt; (October 2005)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;Yet at the same talk, I was astonished to hear some of his positive comments on Britain and Britishness. He referred to &quot;the tradition of civil liberties that put the Great in Great Britain&quot;, and praised the House of Lords for defending this. He quoted a Daniel Defoe &lt;a href=http://rpo.library.utoronto.ca/poem/627.html target=_blank&gt;poem&lt;/a&gt; about Englishness, then Jeremy Paxman&#039;s line &quot;Never underestimate the British ability to back the underdog&quot;. And he even had some praise for the government: &quot;I am in a privileged position as a British former detainee. Many other countries with citizens detained have done nothing to help them.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Speaking last night, Begg said &quot;Britain&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opendemocracy.net/arts-multiculturalism/debate.jsp&quot;&gt;multiculturalism&lt;/a&gt; is probably the best example in Europe and perhaps the world, even since 7/7&quot;. He even remembers feeling proud when hearing from a Guantánamo Bay guard that a million people had marched in London against the Iraq war. &quot;But there are still many parts of the UK, even my own city, where I feel that I stand out and do not belong.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Has the &lt;a href=&quot;/articles/View.jsp?id=3242&quot;&gt;furore&lt;/a&gt; over the Danish cartoons of the prophet Mohammed had a detrimental effect on community relations in Britain? &quot;Actually, the press response has been a credit to this country. Apart from the initial protests, where there were certainly overreactions by some Muslims, there has been a great deal of respect between the Muslim community and the press.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What does he think of the cartoons themselves? &quot;Caricatures can do a great deal. In Bagram, the guards made orange t-shirts depicting the prisoners as slaves in chains. In Guantánamo, they drew pictures of us as rats. That&#039;s all fine and dandy until someone dies. I saw two prisoners beaten to death at Bagram, and the caricatures were all part of the dehumanisation process.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Begg&#039;s new book is as much about British multiculturalism as it is about the &quot;war on terror&quot;. Begg describes it as &quot;My complete autobiography to date, looking not just at my time in detention, but my life as a second generation Muslim growing up in Britain amongst a variety of cultures. I attended faith schools &amp;#150; first a Jewish school, then a Christian school, while being brought up as a liberal Muslim. It&#039;s also about how the first Gulf war and the Balkans conflict shaped my political outlook and even my identity.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What does he hope the book will achieve? &quot;I want to give people an idea about why some people feel strongly about certain things&quot; &amp;#150; a rather diplomatic answer by which he seems to mean, why many Muslims are angry with western policies &amp;#150; &quot;but not to tar everyone with the same brush, as the US is doing, which just incurs more animosity.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And what does he think people in Britain should be doing, at a grassroots level? &quot;People need to push the government to talk to extremist organisations. The Irish example is very important. The IRA campaign was vicious, but the government and the IRA realised they couldn&#039;t defeat each other militarily, so they had to negotiate.&quot; Perhaps more &lt;a href=http://www.newstatesman.com/200602200006 target=_blank&gt;dialogue&lt;/a&gt; with Islamists will happen as a result of the election success of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Does Begg think it is likely? &quot;I don&#039;t know. But it has to happen if we are to avoid a spiral of further violence.&quot; Whatever happens, Moazzam Begg will continue to make his soft voice heard.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Click &lt;a href= http://www.opendemocracy.net/arts/begg_3326.jsp&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; to read an extract from Moazzam Begg&#039;s book &lt;em&gt;Enemy Combatant&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;rating-item&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;rating&quot; id=&quot;rating_mean_3328&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;rating-intro&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;rating-intro-text&quot;&gt;Average rating&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;star avg on&quot;&gt;&lt;a style=&quot;width: 100%;&quot; onclick=&quot;return false;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;star avg on&quot;&gt;&lt;a style=&quot;width: 100%;&quot; onclick=&quot;return false;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;star avg on&quot;&gt;&lt;a style=&quot;width: 100%;&quot; onclick=&quot;return false;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;star avg on&quot;&gt;&lt;a style=&quot;width: 50%;&quot; onclick=&quot;return false;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;star avg&quot;&gt;&lt;a style=&quot;width: 100%;&quot; onclick=&quot;return false;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;num-votes&quot;&gt;(&lt;span id=&quot;rating_num_votes_3328&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; votes)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;form action=&quot;/crss/node/3328&quot;  method=&quot;post&quot; id=&quot;rating_form_3328&quot; class=&quot;rating&quot; title=&quot;Rating: 5.0&quot;&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;form-item&quot;&gt;
 &lt;label for=&quot;rating_options_3328&quot;&gt;Rate this: &lt;/label&gt;
 &lt;select name=&quot;edit[rating]&quot; class=&quot;form-select rating-options&quot; title=&quot;Rate this&quot; id=&quot;rating_options_3328&quot; &gt;&lt;option value=&quot;0&quot;&gt;---&lt;/option&gt;&lt;option value=&quot;100&quot; selected=&quot;selected&quot;&gt;Excellent!&lt;/option&gt;&lt;option value=&quot;80&quot;&gt;Great!&lt;/option&gt;&lt;option value=&quot;60&quot;&gt;Good&lt;/option&gt;&lt;option value=&quot;40&quot;&gt;Quite good&lt;/option&gt;&lt;option value=&quot;20&quot;&gt;Not so great&lt;/option&gt;&lt;/select&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;input type=&quot;hidden&quot; name=&quot;edit[nid]&quot; id=&quot;edit-nid&quot; value=&quot;3328&quot;  /&gt;
&lt;input type=&quot;submit&quot; name=&quot;op&quot; value=&quot;Submit&quot;  class=&quot;form-submit&quot; /&gt;
&lt;input type=&quot;hidden&quot; name=&quot;edit[form_id]&quot; id=&quot;edit-rating-form-3328&quot; value=&quot;rating_form_3328&quot;  /&gt;

&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/form&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;</description>
 <comments>http://www.opendemocracy.net/conflict-terrorism/moazzam_begg_3328.jsp#comment</comments>
 <category domain="http://www.opendemocracy.net/conflicts/index.jsp">conflicts</category>
 <category domain="http://www.opendemocracy.net/editorial_tags/arts_cultures">arts &amp;amp; cultures</category>
 <category domain="http://www.opendemocracy.net/taxonomy/term/51">Creative Commons normal</category>
 <category domain="http://www.opendemocracy.net/conflict-terrorism/debate.jsp">democracy &amp;amp; terror</category>
 <category domain="http://www.opendemocracy.net/editorial_tags/globalisation">globalisation</category>
 <category domain="http://www.opendemocracy.net/globalization-institutions_government/debate.jsp">institutions &amp;amp; government</category>
 <category domain="http://www.opendemocracy.net/taxonomy/term/1118">Jane Kinninmont</category>
 <category domain="http://www.opendemocracy.net/arts-Literature/debate.jsp">literature</category>
 <category domain="http://www.opendemocracy.net/editorial_tags/the_americas">the americas</category>
 <pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
 <dc:creator />
 <guid isPermaLink="false">3328 at http://www.opendemocracy.net</guid>
</item>
</channel>
</rss>
