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 <description>&lt;img src=&quot;http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1226/1060863173_bfd0320573_o.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;130&quot; height=&quot;68&quot; /&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1178/1107587805_d09c0d865a_o.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;202&quot; height=&quot;202&quot; /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1178/1107587805_d09c0d865a_o.jpg&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I spoke to Tanya Hawkes who has been working as a manager at CAT (the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cat.org.uk/&quot;&gt;Centre for Alternative Technology&lt;/a&gt;)  for four years. As a single mother with a young child and as a feminist, she has found that the cooperative approach used at CAT (employing 150 personnel at the height of the season) is a direct way of empowering women workers. CAT has evolved organically since the 1970s and now women and men have equal roles, with a majority of older women on the elected management group. (&amp;quot;Although that&amp;#39;s a voluntary role, &amp;quot; she muses, &amp;quot; perhaps if it attracted extra pay or other benefits, there might be more men on it...&amp;quot;) (&lt;a href=&quot;/blog/patricia_daniel/is_sustainability_possible_without_some_form_of_socialism&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;more...&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;While decisions are made by the management group, there is a strict lobby system which enables any staff member to questions any management decisions and these can be discussed and overturned at the permanent monthly staff meeting. &amp;quot;So there are checks and balances,&amp;quot; Tanya explains, &amp;quot;which means that no one person can get in a position of power and exploit it.&amp;quot;  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;This structure works well in terms of gender equality in decision-making, but other aspects of CAT also reflect women&amp;#39;s contribution. Most of the main buildings you see there were designed and built by women - and women are well represented in all areas of work (scientific, education, media etc). But it&amp;#39;s a long time since we actually discussed gender as an issue. The environment comes first and there&amp;#39;s a tendency for people to say: what&amp;#39;s more important - saving the world or gender equality?&amp;quot; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(Pat:  &amp;quot;This kind of &lt;a href=&quot;/democracy_power/50_50/multiplicity_feminism&quot;&gt;false dichotomy&lt;/a&gt;  has been the downfall of socialist experiments, like Nicaragua, where it was ‘we have to save the country first (from the US-driven contra war) and then we can tackle women&amp;#39;s needs.&amp;#39; True socialism necessarily promotes gender equality, as Venezuela has committed itself to doing by recognising that women&amp;#39;s contribution is essential in sustainable development.&amp;quot; )&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;A recent visit to Cuba, where she stayed with a rural family, impressed Tanya (as it did me) as regards freedom of expression of ordinary Cubans: &amp;quot;Yes, people speak with their own voice there, whether they&amp;#39;re openly critical of the government, pro-Castro or somewhere in between.&amp;quot; And as regards women&amp;#39;s role: &amp;quot;everyone&amp;#39;s a fixer, a doer, they&amp;#39;re able to make do, to make things. And in this respect there&amp;#39;s no gender difference. My hostess fixed up a radio system from old parts while I was there.&amp;quot; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(Pat: &amp;quot;Yes, as Paul Allen (from CAT) pointed out at the workshop, when support from soviet oil was switched off, Cubans &lt;em&gt;had&lt;/em&gt; to learn to make do with their own resources. Outsiders (the US) hoped this would be their downfall, but in fact Cuban efforts have been successful - and sustainable, as even the CIA&amp;#39;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html/&quot;&gt;statistics&lt;/a&gt; indicate.&amp;quot; )&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In contrast, in the UK, Tanya sees that &amp;quot;women are bred to be consumers, to be serviced, we&amp;#39;re not encouraged to do or make things. All the labour-saving devices we have make it possible for me to work fulltime... but how does that work for women in developing countries - in Africa for example, where they spend so much time on basic household chores (and their workload is i&lt;a href=&quot;http://opensummit.opendemocracy.net/2007/05/16/climate-change-and-womenâs-work/&quot;&gt;ncreasing&lt;/a&gt; because of climate change) - how do they get to play a role in politics if they don&amp;#39;t have the time to get to the meeting?&amp;quot;  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Although we don&amp;#39;t use the terms&amp;#39; socialism&amp;#39; or ‘feminism&amp;#39; any more, everyone at CAT is against the capitalist line that the ‘market will sort it all out&amp;#39;. The personal is still political and how we do things is important in promoting democracy, teaching people how to lobby, how to access government. In fact, living and working in a cooperative structure, people learn those skills of diplomacy and negotiation, which are not really learned at school any more.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Conclusion? &amp;quot;No! Sustainability isn&amp;#39;t possible unless it comes from well-informed grassroots communities, it has to be a bottom-up process.&amp;quot; &lt;/p&gt;</description>
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