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&lt;a href=&quot;/user/506503&quot; class=&quot;url fn n&quot;&gt;James S Fishkin&lt;/a&gt;, 12 - 10 - 2007, is well reflected for those who follow the ongoing British debates about best ways to peacefully modernise [reform] her politics and institutions. With national convention, deliberative democracy, etc., at the forefront, clearly one appreciates the extent in which a paper like this might have fertilised the process at hand. Informed minds and processes are developed in many ways. This is one of them! This paper is worth loving to return to!
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A paper with a great deal of academic value: knits arguments about interrelated possibilities and processes to stem the tides of working on many faces of the issues that make democracy reasonably understood and manageable. &amp;quot;Wisdom of the crowd&amp;quot; is a dependent phrase: vulnerable, hence &amp;#39;elite&amp;#39; responsible roles indispensable for its sense - note by implication the 1st and 2nd &amp;quot;four&amp;quot; more or less reservations, respectively. Links between politics and public policy can advance thus anywhere with allerted publics and indeed political participation hopefully in the end as wanted outcome. 
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James Surowiecki&amp;#39;s acclaimed book &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.randomhouse.com/features/wisdomofcrowds/&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Wisdom of Crowds&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt; &lt;/em&gt;offers
a good overview of cases in which decentralised group processes lead to
excellent collective judgments, sometimes better than those from individual
experts.
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&lt;p&gt;
Surowiecki&amp;#39;s book begins with a 1906 contest
to guess the weight of an ox at an English fairground. The scientist &lt;a href=&quot;http://ttp/www.indiana.edu/%7Eintell/galton.shtml&quot;&gt;Francis Galton&lt;/a&gt; was amazed to discover
that the average of the 787 guesses made was almost perfectly accurate, even
though the 787 contestants were mostly non-experts. The book then moves to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biz.uiowa.edu/iem/&quot;&gt;Iowa Electronic Markets&lt;/a&gt;, in which hundreds of
self-selected traders buy futures to predict election results - a process that
often produces better results than either polls or pundits.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.leighbureau.com/speaker.asp?id=285&quot;&gt;Surowiecki&amp;#39;s&lt;/a&gt; argument is that many
ordinary individuals can collectively make good decisions under conditions of
diversity, independence and decentralisation - provided there is an appropriate
method of aggregating the results.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Why doesn&amp;#39;t this argument simply generalise to
mass democracy? The many contestants who guessed the weight of the ox were not
experts. Indeed, Galton, on Surowiecki&amp;#39;s telling, treated them as &amp;quot;voters&amp;quot; and
was interested in discrediting democracy - until he found out how well the
public had done. But voters do not seem to do as well with elections and
referenda as in Surowiecki&amp;#39;s examples. Yet voters are, in fact, diverse -  or at least as diverse as the entire
electorate in a mass democracy. And they are independent - at least in the
sense that they can make whatever decisions they like by secret ballot, and
their decision processes are decentralised in terms of millions of individual
choices aggregated by the results from polling booths. So why can&amp;#39;t we
transplant the wisdom of crowds directly to mass democracy? Or can we?
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&lt;span class=&quot;pullquote_new&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://communication.stanford.edu/faculty/fishkin.html&quot;&gt;James S
Fishkin&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
is director of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://cdd.stanford.edu/&quot;&gt;Center
for Deliberative Democracy&lt;/a&gt; in
the department of communication, Stanford
University. He is a
pioneer of &amp;quot;deliberative polling&amp;quot; - a practice of public consultation that
employs random samples of the citizenry to explore how opinions would change if
they were more informed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Among his books are &lt;a href=&quot;http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/book.asp?isbn=0300072554&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Voice of the People:
Public Opinion and Democracy&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt; &lt;/em&gt;(Yale University Press, 1995) and (with
Bruce Ackerman) &lt;a href=&quot;http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/book.asp?isbn=9780300109641&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Deliberation Day&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
(Yale University Press, 2004)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;A
conventional conundrum&lt;/strong&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;
Surowiecki confronts democracy explicitly in
his last chapter, by focusing on the contrast between &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanenvironics.com/polling.php&quot;&gt;conventional polling&lt;/a&gt; and what I call &lt;a href=&quot;http://cdd.stanford.edu/&quot;&gt;deliberative polling&lt;/a&gt; (or DP). He treats the
latter as an idealistic and somewhat &amp;quot;utopian&amp;quot; project, but also one that
succeeds in demonstrating the public&amp;#39;s collective wisdom. It borders on being
too idealistic, he believes, only because of the practical difficulties of
getting large numbers of people to spend the necessary time deliberating. And
he repeats economist and lawyer &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.uchicago.edu/faculty/posner-r/&quot;&gt;Richard Posner&amp;#39;s&lt;/a&gt;  criticisms that the public is just not
interested in the public good; it is more concerned with self-interest. 
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&lt;p&gt;
However, in framing the issue this way, he
still leaves our question unanswered. If deliberative polling embodies a form
of collective decision that does, in fact, illustrate the wisdom of crowds, why
would not conventional polling or conventional voting behaviour do so as well?
All of these processes seem to fulfil Surowiecki&amp;#39;s conditions: diversity,
independence, decentralisation and a plausible method of aggregation. 
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&lt;strong&gt;A
deliberative answer&lt;/strong&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;
Deliberative polling is an attempt to respond
to four limitations in public opinion as we find it reported in conventional
polls. 
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&lt;p&gt;
First, there is the problem that the public is
usually not well informed on most issues. It tends to suffer from what the
economist &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anthonydowns.com/&quot;&gt;Anthony Downs&lt;/a&gt; termed &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:HU51q9JCX1EJ:www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/bcaplan/pcency.doc+rational+ignorance+anthony+downs&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;gl=uk&amp;amp;ct=clnk&amp;amp;cd=4&amp;amp;client=firefox-a&quot;&gt;rational
ignorance&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;. If I have one vote among millions, why should I become informed
about the details of public policy or the competing positions of candidates or
parties? My individual vote or my individual opinion will not make any
appreciable difference to the outcome, so why should I spend a lot of time and
effort making it more informed?
&lt;/p&gt;
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A second problem is that many of the opinions
reported in conventional polls do not exist. They are phantom opinions, or what
political scientist &lt;a href=&quot;http://polisci.lsa.umich.edu/faculty/pconverse.html&quot;&gt;Philip Converse&lt;/a&gt; termed &amp;quot;non-attitudes&amp;quot;.
Or if not non-attitudes, they can be very much top-of-the-head, reflecting only
a vague impression of sound bites and headlines. Respondents to polls do not
wish to admit that they &amp;quot;don&amp;#39;t know&amp;quot;, so they will often pick an alternative
virtually at random rather than acknowledge ignorance. This problem was
dramatised by political scientist &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/January-February-2004/feature_ackerman_janfeb04.msp&quot;&gt;George
Bishop&amp;#39;s study&lt;/a&gt; of opinions about the Public Affairs Act of 1975. The public answered
survey questions about it, but the subject was fictional. There was no &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0443,essay,57824,1.html&quot;&gt;Public
Affairs Act of 1975&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;.
&lt;/p&gt;
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A third limitation of public opinion is
selectivity of sources - selectivity both of conversational partners and of
news sources. Even if people tend to talk about politics or policy, they will
tend overwhelmingly to talk to people like themselves, people from similar
social backgrounds and with whom they are likely to agree. And if they look up
news on the internet, they are increasingly likely (if you believe the
plausible arguments of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.uchicago.edu/faculty/sunstein&quot;&gt;Cass R Sunstein&lt;/a&gt; in his book &lt;a href=&quot;http://press.princeton.edu/titles/7014.html&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Republic.com&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) to select news sources with which
they agree. The web increases the opportunities for people to exercise choice
and as a result confirm their positions rather than challenge them.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
A fourth problem is that democratic decisions
take place in a context in which key political actors have incentives to
manipulate, mislead and distort. Richard Posner, whom Surowiecki cites as
offering a more realistic view of democracy, follows the economist &lt;a href=&quot;http://cepa.newschool.edu/het/profiles/schump.htm&quot;&gt;Joseph Schumpeter&lt;/a&gt; in making political
competition the keystone of democracy. And other Schumpeterians, like political
scientist &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yale.edu/polisci/people/ishapiro.html&quot;&gt;Ian Shapiro&lt;/a&gt;, have even argued that
political competition will better serve &amp;quot;truth&amp;quot; than would deliberative
democracy (see Ian Shapiro&amp;#39;s book, &lt;a href=&quot;http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/book.asp?isbn=0300079079&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Moral Foundations of Politics&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;). 
&lt;/p&gt;
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But the United States election of November
2004 was held in circumstances where large portions of the American public
thought that there were weapons of mass destruction actually found in Iraq,
that Saddam Hussein had a direct role in the terror attacks of 11 September
2001, and that the &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth&quot;&gt;Swift
Boat Veterans for Truth&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (who opposed the Democratic
presidential candidate John Kerry) were actually serving truth. It is hard to
idealise as collective &amp;quot;wisdom&amp;quot; the public opinion and voting decisions
premised on such misinformation. American democracy, born with aspirations of
the country&amp;#39;s founders for deliberation (at least at the elite level) has led
to a democracy of mass persuasion and manipulation. We have gone from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/jm4.html&quot;&gt;James
Madison&lt;/a&gt; to Madison Avenue - or worse. 
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&lt;strong&gt;Democracy&amp;#39;s design&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class=&quot;pullquote_new&quot;&gt;
Also
in &lt;strong&gt;openDemocracy&lt;/strong&gt;, a dedicated blog
on the ideas and experiences informing a democratic &lt;a href=&quot;http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2007/october10/euro-101007.html&quot;&gt;experiment&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;a href=&quot;/blog/dliberation/as_close_as_possible_to_the_citizen&quot;&gt;dLiberation&lt;/a&gt; is edited by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/&quot;&gt;J Clive Matthews&lt;/a&gt; and
features (among many others) James S Fishkin, Arthur Lupia, Amy Gutmann, and Ian
O&amp;#39;Flynn discussing and contesting the merits of deliberative democracy in the
context of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://tomorrowseurope.eu/&quot;&gt;Tomorrow&amp;#39;s Europe&lt;/a&gt; project on 12-14 October 2007.&lt;/span&gt;Deliberative polling of the sort Surowiecki describes in his chapter on democracy was
designed to respond to these problems. A scientific sample is first given a
survey of the conventional sort and then recruited to participate, either
online or face to face, in many hours of deliberation in small group
discussions, with carefully balanced briefing materials, and also with panels
of competing experts who answer questions developed in the small groups. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
First, each participant has effective
motivation to overcome the incentives for rational ignorance. The premise of
the experiment is that each individual&amp;#39;s views matter, both in the small group
discussions and in the final results. The resulting considered judgments are
amplified by television, by the internet and by the press. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Second, phantom opinions are replaced by
opinions that represent a lot more information, thought and discussion. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Third, the selectivity of both news sources
and discussion partners is overcome. Participants are exposed to balanced
briefings, competing experts and all the arguments that can be generated by a
representative sample randomly assigned to small groups. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Fourth, the misinformation and the strategic
incompleteness of manipulative campaign efforts give way to balanced materials
and the opportunity to weigh good information. Deliberative polling employs
social science to see what the people would think under transparently good
conditions.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
These results suggest that Surowiecki has
underspecified the conditions that lead to anything that might be called
collective wisdom. At least for the kinds of questions the deliberative poll is designed
for - questions of collective political will-the problem of democratic
institutional design would have to address the four problems outlined above.
Deliberative polling is not necessarily the only way to address these concerns.
But the empirical research programme at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://cdd.stanford.edu/&quot;&gt;Center for Deliberative Democracy&lt;/a&gt; (CDD) at Stanford University demonstrates that it is at least one
successful way. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
It is important to distinguish the kinds of questions
for which deliberative polling is designed from those prominent in Surowiecki&amp;#39;s book (such as
guessing the weight of an ox, or the winner of an election). The latter pose
factual questions. But deciding who should win an election (rather than who is
most likely to win), or what public policy should be, poses a different kind of
problem: a question of collective political will. What should be done? Or, what
should we, citizens, do? Such questions also benefit from diversity, from independent
judgment and from decentralisation. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
But questions of public policy or decision
also require a modicum of basic knowledge and an openness to discussion with
those who have different interests and values. The CDD has tried or is preparing to undertake this process in
thirteen countries, including the United States, Britain, Denmark,
Australia, Bulgaria, and Canada; the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tomorrowseurope.eu/&quot;&gt;Tomorrow&amp;#39;s Europe&lt;/a&gt; project on 12-14 October 2007 will engage all twenty-seven countries of the European Union in a
single &lt;a href=&quot;http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2007/october10/euro-101007.html&quot;&gt;trans-European&lt;/a&gt; deliberative poll. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The experience in all these cases is that deliberative public opinion offers informative contrasts with
top-of-the-head opinion. Not only does it differ significantly, but the changes
in opinion are driven by the acquisition of information in a context where
participants weigh balanced and competing arguments. Crowds can be wise. But
they can also be foolish - driven by manipulative efforts to pander half-truths
and misinformation. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The work on developing the
institutional designs where the potential for mass wisdom can be harnessed for
democracy has only just begun. The idea of the &amp;quot;wisdom of crowds&amp;quot; contributes to that dialogue, but there is much
more to be done to realise the potential of an approach - deliberative polling - that can enhance democratic practice, process and understanding.  
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