abdulksaida on "Annapolis and the “Jerusalem paradigm""

abdulksaida — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 02:00:49 +0000

Dominikwach only to say that yes i like your analysis and i agree with it totally.

dominikwach on "Annapolis and the “Jerusalem paradigm""

dominikwach — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:32:11 +0000

I think that author is right and wrong at the same time. Yes, Jerusalem case is one of the most important problems to solve between Israel and future Palestinian state, and yes, it is one of the most important "items" on the Annapolis agenda. But in my opinion there is no chance to deal with such a big problem now. Firstly there must be mutual recognition for all Palestinian parties including Hamas (and maybe Islamic Jihad) and all Israeli parties. Without that any agreement will fail, because both players will not accept it. Right side Israelis will not allow to give East Jerusalem to Palestinians and will boycott any agreement and any government which will make such a decision. From the other side Hamas (and Islamic Jihad) will boycott any agreement without their participation (Islamic Jihad will boycott any agreement with Israel). That's why both sides should stabilize "political" situation, support moderate politicians (like Haniyah from Hamas) and try to speak in the name of all Israeli and Palestinian citizens. Without that we will have the same situation like in Oslo peace process, many agreements but no real impovement of the situation. Also, please don't put Hamas and Hezbollah at the same line with al-Qaida. It's really not the same type of organization.

ai_1 on "Annapolis and the “Jerusalem paradigm""

ai_1 — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:13:00 +0000

Optimistic or not, this article puts its finger on a crucial point, which caused the undoing of the Oslo Process. The idea of Oslo was that a deliberate, choreographed succession of small steps will generate trust on both sides and ultimately lead to a resolution of the conflict. However, given the weakness of political structures on both sides and the willingness of extremists – whether terrorists or settlers – to inflame the situation, the "small steps" in reality whittled away trust and willingness to compromise: each side felt cheated. The only realistic way forward is to reverse this logic: start by making clear the contours of the final agreement – something along the lines of Geneva Accords and the Ayalon–Nusseiba "People's Initiative", inclusive of Jerusalem being divided, becoming a capital of two sovereign states, with pragmatic arrangements in the "Holy Basin". This outline of ultimate peace agreement must be hammered out in Annapolis, otherwise it will become yet another futile shell game, to the ultimate comfort of extremists.

abdulksaida on "Annapolis and the “Jerusalem paradigm""

abdulksaida — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:46:28 +0000

1- this article is somehow optimistic and i dont think that the annapolis conference would give any thing new to palestinians. 2- I hope the test would pass but as i said becasue of previous experiences with such conferences especially held before the end term of each american president , nothing would be achieved , it depends on excecuting of intents and we will see all what whould happen

Annapolis and the “Jerusalem paradigm", Daniel Seidemann

Daniel Seidemann — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:46:16 +0000

Sit any Friday afternoon on the corner of el-Wad Street and St Stephen's Road in Jerusalem's Old City, just opposite the Austrian hospice. Thousands of Muslim worshippers throng to the mosques on Haram al-Sharif. Additional thousands of Orthodox Jews flock to prayers at the Western Wall. And the brown-robed Franciscans bearing the cross turn the corner and proceed to the Third Station of the Cross. Lest this picture appear overly idyllic: CCTV security cameras are ever-present, as are patrols of the Israel border police, while a handful of messianic Jewish settlers dart out of the Muslim quarter alleys.

Daniel Seidemann is an Israeli attorney based in Jerusalem and the founder of Ir-Amim, an NGO that deals with Jerusalem issues

This article was first published by the Israeli-Palestine project BitterLemons

In that one small scene, you can see it all. Three mutually incompatible religious narratives (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) and two mutually incompatible national narratives (the Israeli and the Palestinian) cohabit the same sacred and secular space, not larger than three square kilometres in size. Jerusalem has an undeserved reputation for being nitroglycerin - any random jolt causes it to explode. That's nonsense. For the past 1,300 years, Jerusalem has been the counter-paradigm to a "clash of civilisations". It isn't "fuzzy-warm" or "touchy-feely", and no "it's-a-small-world-after-all" tunes waft in the air, but it works.

That's the good news. Here's the bad news. Jerusalem's Old City is also the playground for Muslim, Christian and Jewish exclusionary fundamentalists who seek, respectively: jihad, armageddon and wars of Mitzvah. Jerusalem may not be nitroglycerin, but if handled poorly, i.e., by allowing the radical fundamentalists to romp freely, it becomes a small atomic device.

The crucible

The forthcoming Annapolis meeting - at a date yet to be confirmed (possibly 26 November 2007) - is not merely an attempt to substantively address the core issues of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It is also (and perhaps foremost) an attempt to realign the forces of moderation in the middle east into a powerful, albeit uneasy, coalition that will not only combat but provide a positive option in face of an ascending radical Islam. As such, Jerusalem will not only be a prominent item on the Annapolis agenda. It will also be the physical embodiment of Annapolis's goals - a non-violent interface between Islam, the Arab world and the west; or alternatively, an embodiment of Annapolis's worst dreams - the place where the tectonic plates of Islam and the west crush and grind one another, with all that ensues.

For decades, Jerusalem has been peddled as the "most difficult to solve" and left to some undetermined future date. No longer: Jerusalem's time has come. Regardless of how counterintuitive this may sound, seriously addressing the final-status issues relating to Jerusalem is one of the easier ways of generating high dividends at a reasonable cost.

Also in openDemocracy on the Israel-Palestine conflict:

Eyad Sarraj, "The campaign that should never stop" (13 November 2006)

Khaled Hroub, "Palestine's argument: Mecca and beyond" (6 March 2007)

Mary Kaldor & Mient Jan Faber, "Palestine's human insecurity: a Gaza report"

(21 May 2007)Tony Klug, "Israel-Palestine: how peace broke out" (5 June 2007)

Ghassan Khatib, "Palestine: this occupation will end" (7 June 2007)

Omar al-Qattan, "The secret visitations of memory" (14 June 2007)

Because everyone knows what it looks like: "it" being a reasonably detailed set of contours of a final-status agreement in Jerusalem. It is all over but the body-count. After one previous, and failed, round of negotiations in 2000, and after years of the convulsive violence of the second intifada, it is 5% of the geography and 5% of the substance that remain to be resolved. And these will always be last-minute decisions cut out of the hides of two courageous national leaders, when that time comes.

The declaration

Approaching Annapolis, the lines of engagement have been drawn. Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert will pull toward a watery, amorphous "declaration of intent". The Palestinians will push for a high-pixel agreement. If Olmert insists on a fuzzy statement it is doubtful that Annapolis will take place, much less succeed. And the insistence on detail at this stage on the part of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) is not only unnecessary, but in all likelihood counterproductive.

Between these two respective positions, the wording of a Jerusalem declaration almost invokes itself:

"In the framework of a final-status agreement, Jerusalem will be a politically divided city. The Arab neighbourhoods will become Palestinian al-Quds, the Jewish neighborhoods Israeli Yerushalayim, both universally recognised as their respective national capitals. In the Old City and its immediate environs, there will be a special regime or special arrangements, neither of which preclude a division of sovereignty even in these areas. This regime or these arrangements will assure the integrity and the sanctity of the Holy Sites of all religions, pay reverence to the historic status quo, and assure that the Old City is an open city accessible to all."

No less will suffice, no more is necessary.

The Palestinians insist that declarations alone do not suffice, and a timetable is critical. "Agreements to agree", they assert, have always failed in the past. Israel insists that it is the timelines that have always failed, and that progress should be "performance-based" rather than "calendar-based".

Both are correct.

More than Israelis and Palestinians being separated by the "what", they are separated by the "how". Israelis assert: given our deep concerns over Palestinian governance, security issues and the longevity of an Abu Mazen government, we will never head straight to an implementable endgame. Palestinians retort: we will never revert to "incrementalism", which during the Oslo years only allowed Israel to strengthen its stranglehold over the Palestinians.

Once again, both are entirely correct.

If the Annapolis process is to succeed, it needs to provide final-status deliverables relating to Jerusalem even before the details of a final-status agreement are worked out. These steps can and must be sober and incremental enough to address Israeli concerns while "final status" enough to demonstrate that these are far more than empty declarations

The ambition

The day after Annapolis, Orient House should be reopened with Abu Mazen empowered to receive foreign dignitaries there. Subject to genuine security concerns, East Jerusalem should be re-linked to the West Bank. An international effort is in order to assist the Palestinians to build the organs of civil society in anticipation of their assuming "full-stop" sovereignty in East Jerusalem. The world churches, along with Israel and Palestine, must engage in an intensive effort to revitalise the Christian communities and institutions in Jerusalem and in the Holy Land.

The list is endless, and it is doable. Olmert can afford to pay the domestic political price, and will not jeopardise any substantive Israeli interest. These steps will provide Abu Mazen significant dividends, allowing him to retort to Hamas accusations: it is I and my approach, and only these, which offer the Palestinians a chance to recover al-Quds. And these will signify for all involved that substantive progress is being made on the ground toward the goal of resolving the conflict.

By calling for an Annapolis meeting, the George W Bush administration has raised the stakes. A cancelled or failed meeting will leave us on the edge of an abyss. The prospect of a chaotic middle east ridden with al-Qaida-Hizbollah-Hamas fundamentalism will be real indeed. Seriously addressing the political future of Jerusalem and creating the "Jerusalem paradigm" - where civilisations don't clash, but meet - may well contribute to the Annapolis "event" becoming the turning-point that the parties, the region and the world so desperately need. The alternative is unthinkable.

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