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 <description>On which other kinds of terrorism should we focus? From Methodists? Stamp collectors? It is clear that at his juncture of time there is a problem with Islam-inspired terrorism.

Of course, discrimination should be illegal (and in much of EU it is), we should discourage alienation and let all Europeans, regardless of their religion (if any), skin pigmentation, gender, sexual orientation, ..., feel as full partners in the European project. We should also expect from them to behave the way full partners do and respect the rights of other partners and values (like, for example, free speech) which we hold dear.

But discrimination is often in the eye of the beholder -- and, as a motivating factor, perception of discrimination is just as bad as discrimination. Take the story opening this article. The author, driving at night at a rough part of Stockholm, is stopped by a police car and questioned about electronic equipment at the back of his car. Being (apparently) non-Muslim, he takes it as legitimate police activity (yet, amazingly, suffieciently remarkable to include in the article). Had he been Muslim, he could have taken it as an evidence of discrimination. 

Once we establish a language of non-discrimination, rather than putting at the centre a language of universal rights and obligations, we operate ultimately not to realities but to perceptions of discrimination. And this will not alleviate the reality of alienation or the threat of terrorism.</description>
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 <description>The answer would be easier if all kinds of terrorism were treated equally. If the EU and national governments did more to stop the daily insults to many Muslims. 
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I agree with much of the article but am gravely concerned about the paragraph above.
Is the author equating terrorism with insults and suggesting there is some kind of moral equivalence. I believe that freedom of speech is a fundamental freedom, including the freedom to insult or mock religions. 
I can accept restrictions on abuse based on gender, race, age, or disability because these are all attributes not under our control. Religion, like political affiliation, is a choice and I absolutely oppose any attempt to make me respect others views in these areas, or to refrain from insulting or mocking them if I choose. They can do likewise to me, so long as, for both of us, violence or the threat of violence, is entirely absent. 
Just to be absolutely clear I mean physical violence, not insults, jokes, mockery, or vigorous debate.</description>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;
The police car blocks my way on the small
gravel road. At first I don&amp;#39;t get it. Then I back off, into a glade in the
darkness behind.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The young policeman drives a bit further,
preventing me from getting back onto the road. He rolls down the window while
his colleague observes me carefully.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&amp;quot;What are you doing here?&amp;quot;, he asks.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
It is not a strange question. We have stopped
in the middle of the night, in a dark forest between two of Stockholm&amp;#39;s poorest areas. The two
loudspeakers clearly visible in the back of my car make it
clear that that part of the vehicle is full of stuff.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&amp;quot;We have been to a party and are transporting
some equipment back home&amp;quot;, I answer.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
At the same time, my thoughts are about what
the Swedish legislation says. Should I let the police search my car, without
any clear suspicion of a crime?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The policeman looks unconvinced, so I add:
&amp;quot;There is a house over there which is often used for parties.&amp;quot;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
He observes me some more seconds, and then
says something to his colleague.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Finally, we can drive through.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The Kurdish man sitting beside me has kept
silent during the whole episode. It takes a long time before he makes
a comment. Then he asks if it is necessary to have police permission in Sweden to
celebrate a birthday party.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
I explain that it is not necessary. Then I
give some thought to our reactions. For me the episode was a question
about what the police are allowed to do. For him it was a fear that we
had done something illegal, something that could create problems.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;pullquote_new&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Mats
Engström&lt;/strong&gt; is editorial
writer at the Swedish newspaper &lt;em&gt;Aftonbladet&lt;/em&gt;.
He was special advisor and deputy state secretary to Anna Lindh from 1994-2001,
and is author of &lt;em&gt;Rebooting Europe:
Digital Deliberation and European Democracy&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://fpc.org.uk/publications/61&quot;&gt;Foreign Policy Centre&lt;/a&gt;, 2002). His website is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.matsengstrom.se/&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also
by Mats Engström in &lt;strong&gt;openDemocracy&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/node/1390&quot;&gt;The European Union and genetic
information: time to act&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (28 July 2003)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/node/1504&quot;&gt;Remember Anna Lindh&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (24 September 2003)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/democracy-europe_constitution/2577.jsp&quot;&gt;Democracy is hard, but the only
way&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (5 June
2005)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflict-terrorism/eu_secrecy_3067.jsp&quot;&gt;The European Union&amp;#39;s anti-terror
plans: lift the secrecy&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (28 November 2005)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/democracy-europe_constitution/fear_3590.jsp&quot;&gt;The fear haunting Europe&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (25 May 2006)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/democracy-europe_constitution/green_power_4471.jsp&quot;&gt;Europe&amp;#39;s green power&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (25 May 2006)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/democracy-protest/swedish_model_3915.jsp&quot;&gt;We still love the Swedish model&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (19 September 2006) (
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The story would not be much to write about
unless it was part of a pattern. I have heard so many times how
Muslims I know are treated differently than people with a traditional
Swedish name and appearance. Stories about trying to find a job but never
getting one that corresponds to one&amp;#39;s merits. A large number of official
reports confirms widespread &lt;a href=&quot;http://fra.europa.eu/fra/index.php?fuseaction=content.dsp_cat_content&amp;amp;catid=3fb38ad3e22bb&amp;amp;contentid=4582d9f4345ad&quot;&gt;discrimination&lt;/a&gt;, both in Sweden and in the European Union as
a whole.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The policemen that night did their job; there
is nothing for me to complain about. It was a tiny episode. But I continue to
think about it when I try to follow the intense work being conducted in the the
European Union to &amp;quot;counter terrorism&amp;quot;.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;In
the shadows&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
How can the fight against terrorism and its
wellspring - militant fundamentalism - succeed when so many Muslims in Europe feel that authorities in general and the police in
particular regard them as security risks? When discrimination is part of
everyday life?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The answer would be easier if all kinds of
terrorism were treated equally. If the EU and national governments did more to
stop the daily insults to many Muslims.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Such strategies are included in some of the
public documents on the fight against terrorism. Unfortunately, the real
work has another bias.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
At a meeting on 6 November 2007, the European
commission presented a fresh &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ec.europa.eu/commission_barroso/frattini/webroot/news/thematic_659_en.htm&quot;&gt;counter-terrorism package&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;. The vice-president Franco Frattini proposed
a number of new measures, such as control of air-passenger data and
restrictions on and monitoring of the internet. &lt;a href=&quot;http://ec.europa.eu/commission_barroso/frattini/webroot/welcome/default_en.htm&quot;&gt;Frattini&lt;/a&gt; also plans to widen the framework decision on terrorism to include
&amp;quot;incitement&amp;quot;. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The commission also proposes measures aiming
at a better preparedness to handle terrorist attacks when they occur. No
tough measures on discrimination are put forward in the package, which will be
discussed at a meeting of the European Union&amp;#39;s justice and home affairs (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.consilium.europa.eu/cms3_fo/showPage.asp?id=249&amp;amp;lang=en&quot;&gt;JHA&lt;/a&gt;) council of ministers on 8-9 November.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The commission proposals are part of the
European Union&amp;#39;s wider &lt;a href=&quot;http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/fsj/terrorism/fsj_terrorism_intro_en.htm&quot;&gt;strategy against terrorism&lt;/a&gt;, one of its main priorities in recent years.
Measures against radicalisation and recruitment to terrorism
play an important role in this overall effort.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
After the London bombings of &lt;a href=&quot;/conflict/london_2659.jsp&quot;&gt;7 July 2005&lt;/a&gt;, EU ministers of justice and home affairs
increased their &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cfr.org/publication/13939/one_europe_many_counterterrorism_policies.html&quot;&gt;efforts&lt;/a&gt; to prevent further acts of terrorism. One of
the main priorities was preventing the radicalisation of young men and their recruitment
into networks of violent extremism. In public, governments talked about
dialogue and about cooperation with the large majority of Muslims against
terrorism. At the same time, negotiations on the action plans were undertaken
in utmost secrecy.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Two years ago, &lt;strong&gt;openDemocracy&lt;/strong&gt; was able to publish the draft strategy against radicalisation and recruitment to
terrorism (see &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflict-terrorism/eu_secrecy_3067.jsp&quot;&gt;The European Union&amp;#39;s anti-terror
plans: lift the secrecy&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;, 28 November 2005). The text showed &lt;em&gt;inter alia &lt;/em&gt;that governments promised to enact laws forbidding
&amp;quot;incitement to violence&amp;quot; and to inform each other about such activities. The
general definitions of incitement it contained were criticised for their
vagueness, leaving suspicions that they could also be used to stifle legitimate
criticism of, for example, the United States&amp;#39;s and Israel&amp;#39;s policies in the
middle east. Frattini&amp;#39;s 6 November proposal on the framework decision against
terrorism contains the same vagueness and potential conflicts with freedom of
speech.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;A
loss of balance&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;pullquote_new&quot;&gt;Also in &lt;strong&gt;openDemocracy&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Johnny
Ryan, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/europe/europe_terrorism_internet&quot;&gt;Europe,
terrorism and the internet&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (6 November 2007)&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The &lt;a href=&quot;http://register.consilium.europa.eu/pdf/en/05/st14/st14781-re01.en05.pdf&quot;&gt;strategy&lt;/a&gt; and the associated secret action plan to implement
it were agreed in December 2005. Since then, interior ministries and police
authorities across Europe have maintained a
high level of cooperation. The strategy against radicalisation, meanwhile, has
been made public, but the action plan is not available for scrutiny. However,
the research and campaigning group  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.statewatch.org/&quot;&gt;Statewatch&lt;/a&gt; was able to publish one of the regular follow-ups. This &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.statewatch.org/news/2007/mar/eu-terr-action-plan-mar-07.pdf&quot;&gt;document&lt;/a&gt;, from March 2007, lists the measures agreed
to in the secret plan and what has been done so far to put it into
practice.   
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Some of the measures are:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
- countering radicalisation in prisons
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
- exchanging information on expulsion of
radical &lt;em&gt;imams&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
- surveying the internet
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
- taking action against &amp;quot;illegal extremist
literature and other media&amp;quot;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
There are also some actions listed under the
category &amp;quot;broader measures&amp;quot;. However, follow-up seems to be limited. On
&amp;quot;integration and the fight against discrimination&amp;quot;, the document refers to the
EU&amp;#39;s general (and rather weak) policy. No follow-up is listed under the heading
&amp;quot;dialogue with the Muslim community&amp;quot;.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
In addition, a number of repressive steps has
already been decided. The data-retention directive recommends storage of
information on telephone calls and emails. The European arrest warrant makes it
possible for the authorities in one member-state to call for the arrest of a
suspect in another member-state. The same principle applies to the recent decision
on a European evidence warrant. Member-states have also agreed to cooperate on
surveillance of the internet, through the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/89573&quot;&gt;Check the Web&lt;/a&gt; initiative.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Further &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.euractiv.com/en/transport/eu-seeks-access-private-passenger-data-combat-terrorism/article-168160&quot;&gt;measures&lt;/a&gt; are coming. In Germany, the authorities are
pushing for online surveillance of personal computers. The
European commission has put forward a code of conduct for NGOs to prevent money
being transferred for the purpose of what are regarded as terrorist activities.
The code is voluntary, so far, but it could become more restrictive during
negotiations in the council.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The imbalance does not come as a surprise. The
responsible member of the European commission, Franco Frattini, often
speaks about the threat from terrorism and the need for repressive
procedures, such as blocking internet sites. Fighting social injustices is not a
frequent theme, neither in his speeches, nor in substantive policies. In a
number of EU member-states, politicians are trying to win voters by portraying
Muslims as a threat.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
At the same time, laws to protect citizens&amp;#39;
legal security at the EU level are few, and negotiations on strengthening them
have been slow. The reform treaty ratified at the &lt;a href=&quot;/article/democracy_power/europe_higher_ground&quot;&gt;Lisbon summit&lt;/a&gt; on 18-19 October 2007 will not improve the
situation much. It gives more power to the European parliament, a good thing
for transparency. But the United
Kingdom has an opt-out which makes it
possible for the British government to choose to take part only in repressive
measures, while ignoring common legislation to protect the individual. Furthermore,
the charter of fundamental rights will not be binding for the UK and Poland
(see Katinka Barysch &amp;amp; Hugo Brady, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/democracy_power/europe_constitution/lisbon_reform_treaty&quot;&gt;Europe&amp;#39;s ‘reform treaty&amp;#39;: ends
and beginnings&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;,
18 October 2007).
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
There is a real threat from terrorism.
Terrible acts such as the London
and Madrid bombings have been inspired by a perverted
form of Islam. EU member-states must &lt;a href=&quot;http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/fsj/intro/fsj_intro_en.htm&quot;&gt;cooperate&lt;/a&gt; to prevent further murders. One important
part of this task is to prevent extremists to gain more supporters.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The question is not whether to try to counter
violent radicalisation and recruitment to terrorist networks. The
decisive issue is how to do this is the best way (see Johnny Ryan, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/europe/europe_terrorism_internet&quot;&gt;Europe, terrorism and the
internet&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;, 6 November
2007).
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
At an EU seminar on 11 September 2007,
national experts discussed the reasons why young men (it is mostly men) are
drawn into this kind of networks. There is still much research to do
in this area. However, a number of experts claim that there are similarities
between the roads to different types of extremism. The route is specific for
each individual, says one expert in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.securityservice.se/english/english/aboutus.4.7671d7bb110e3dcb1fd800015061.html&quot;&gt;Swedish security service&lt;/a&gt;. But a common factor is often a sense of being left outside. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Extremists draw on such feelings and promote
them, shaping a picture of society where all others are against them. This is
common whether extremists are inspired by rightwing, leftwing or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.penguin.co.uk/nf/Book/BookDisplay/0,,9780141030432,00.html&quot;&gt;Islamist&lt;/a&gt; fundamentalism, says this expert.
Discrimination reinforces this perception in the individual, who as a result is
pushed further down the road to violent radicalisation.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;The
trust strategy&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Against the backdrop of such insights, the
European Union&amp;#39;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/fsj/terrorism/fsj_terrorism_intro_en.htm&quot;&gt;present approach&lt;/a&gt; to radicalisation might well be
counterproductive. By focusing only on Islamist extremism, the feeling among
Muslims that they are treated differently could be strengthened, in fact
confirming the worldview that extremists are trying to communicate. By
demonising Muslims in general or talking about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2007/10/E60FF869-DA3E-4A5E-A1F8-E222E759789B.html&quot;&gt;tensions&lt;/a&gt; between cultures, populist politicians are
playing a dangerous game. By moving quickly on measures
such as controls on imams and television channels from the middle east, but
slowly on legal justice for individuals, governments are losing confidence
among young men who already feel that they are being treated as second-class
citizens. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Decision-makers have to show that they take
issues about discrimination and social inequalities seriously and that
they are ready to act as decisively on such issues as on cross-border police
cooperation. Building trust and legitimacy is crucial for an effective EU
strategy against violent radicalisation.
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