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 <description>&lt;p&gt;David,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is another &quot;realist&quot; attack on Bali coming from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fc338d2a-a292-11dc-81c4-0000779fd2ac.html&quot;&gt;Martin Wolf in his FT column.&lt;/a&gt; It is quite thoughtful; this is his argument:&lt;br /&gt;
- Kyoto targets have been flouted&lt;br /&gt;
- the rich are unlikely to tighten their belts for the poor&lt;br /&gt;
- therefore we need _real_ scare tactics: not 3C temperature increase, but 40C, Venus-style feedback loops, accompanied by&lt;br /&gt;
- a demonstration that low carbon is not hair-shirt&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What worries me in this argument is that we are socially well inured to end-of-the-world Wolf-crying.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where do you see a motivation for a deal coming from - if not liberally using the politics of energy-independence?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tony&lt;/p&gt;
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‘Kyoto&amp;#39;s failure haunts new U.N. talks.&amp;#39;
‘Time to ditch Kyoto.&amp;#39; These recent headlines have found a ready audience among
those who have never liked the treaty.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
But has Kyoto &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; proved a let
down? Or is it performing as advertised when it was agreed with great fanfare
in 1997, and then ratified a little over 7 painful years later?
&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
In its scene setter for the Bali talks, the
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-sci-kyoto3dec03,1,5795161.story?coll=la-headlines-world&quot;&gt;LA Times lays out&lt;/a&gt; three familiar charges against the treaty. The US, the
world&amp;#39;s largest emitter, didn&amp;#39;t ratify. China and India were never asked to
take on a target. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
And most damaging of all, those countries
which did agree to be bound by Kyoto either took on illusory targets or have
little chance of meeting them.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;quote-msg&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;quote-author&quot;&gt;Quote:&lt;/div&gt;Japan: Emissions
up 13% since 1990. Canada: A 27% rise. Spain: A 61% increase. Outside the
former Soviet bloc, only six of the 23 industrialized Kyoto countries have cut
their carbon dioxide emissions since 1990 -- leaving few nations positioned to
meet next year&amp;#39;s reduction targets.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Not so fast, say Kyoto supporters. Yes, the
US is a problem, but that&amp;#39;s not our fault. How could countries as poor as India
and China be denied a chance to grow? And, while some countries will miss their
targets, overall Kyoto&amp;#39;s commitments &lt;em&gt;will&lt;/em&gt; be met.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Let&amp;#39;s focus on the final point. According
to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://unfccc.int/essential_background/items/4171.php&quot;&gt;UN projections&lt;/a&gt;, Kyoto countries will reduce emissions by 11% by
2012 from the 1990 baseline at current rates of progress. Additional planned
policies could add 3% onto that, while credits purchased abroad, combined with
protection of forests and other carbon sinks, adds another 2%.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
In all, then, cuts total up to a reasonably
creditable 16%.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
But isn&amp;#39;t this all to do with Eastern
Europe&amp;#39;s collapsing industry and the planned phase out of coal in the UK? The
Japanese made precisely this complaint in their press conference &lt;a href=&quot;/global_deal/turning_japanese&quot; title=&quot;Turning Japanese blog post&quot;&gt;yesterday&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
In part it does, but progress is not
entirely illusory. The EU is trumpeting the fact that it&amp;#39;s on track to meet its
8% target at current rates of progress, but reckon it may make cuts of around
11.5% as other policies bite. (In comparison, the US is around 16% above 1990
emissions levels according to 2005 figures.)
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Despite this, Harlan Watson, the chief US
negotiator, is far from convinced that Kyoto is performing as advertised. &amp;quot;How
effective has the current regime [Kyoto] been in reducing emissions?&amp;quot; he asked.
&amp;quot;Perhaps the current regime, which is supposedly legally binding, is not doing
the job.&amp;quot;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
I asked him what he thought about European
claims of success. He believes the EU will only meet its target by buying
credits from overseas, something UN and EU figures currently dispute. He was
also deeply sceptical that deeper cuts were possible:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;quote-msg&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;quote-author&quot;&gt;Quote:&lt;/div&gt;The Kyoto countries that have obligations
now, the developed countries, are having a great deal of difficulty in reducing
emissions. There are only a few countries that have reduced emissions
absolutely...Taking on even deeper cuts [after 2012] is going to be a steeper
hill to climb.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
So what are the alternative proposals coming from those who oppose Kyoto? It&amp;#39;s
worth a look at a much touted &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fao.org/forestry/foris/data/intranet/Cheemin/kyoto.pdf&quot;&gt;commentary piece&lt;/a&gt; from the highly-respected
science journal, Nature, which has many Kyoto foes besides themselves with joy.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Written by Gwyn Prins and Steve Rayner,
their &lt;em&gt;time to ditch Kyoto&lt;/em&gt; manifesto claims that only the deluded, pompous and
prideful could possibly think that another set of binding targets was worth
bothering with.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;quote-msg&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;quote-author&quot;&gt;Quote:&lt;/div&gt;In politics,
however, sunk costs are often seen as political capital or as an investment of
reputation and status. So we acknowledge that those advocating the Kyoto regime
will be reluctant to embrace alternatives because it means admitting that their
chosen climate policy has and will continue to fail. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
But the rational
thing to do in the face of a bad investment is to cut your losses and try
something different.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Prins and Rayner are fully convinced of the
climate change threat. They just think it is too complicated to be ‘amenable to an
elegant solution.&amp;#39; They write that we are faced with ‘a nexus of mutually reinforcing,
intertwined patterns of human behaviour, physical materials and the resulting
technology.&amp;#39; Faced with such complexity, they argue, binding targets are futile
in the extreme.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
So what&amp;#39;s the alternative?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
A carbon tax would be a good, simple idea,
but are not worth thinking about as they&amp;#39;re too expensive to be politically
feasible. Cap-and-trade is at once too ambitious and too slow to deliver
results.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Which leaves them with one big idea (get governments
to spend a lot of money on research into new technologies) and a handful of
small ones. Help people adapt to climatic change for example (a subject that
apparently that has apparently been taboo even to talk about until recently).
Get local government and philanthropists to do their bit. Label consumer
products more effectively.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
In Prins and Rayner&amp;#39;s world, ‘governments
would focus on navigation, on maintaining course and momentum towards the goal
of fundamental technological change, rather than on compliance with precise targets
for emissions reductions.&amp;#39;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This
iconoclastic argument would probably be more convincing were it to be heard at a dinner party when
slightly drunk. For for all its tough talking, it can&amp;#39;t escape that there&amp;#39;s one big problem with its own big idea. The government spending they propose would require putting ‘public investment in energy
R&amp;amp;D on a wartime footing&amp;#39;.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Prins and Rayner suggest that this is &lt;em&gt;simply&lt;/em&gt; a matter of finding
the equivalent of everything the world currently spends on defence:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;quote-msg&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;quote-author&quot;&gt;Quote:&lt;/div&gt;It seems
reasonable to expect the world&amp;#39;s leading economies and emitters to devote as
much money to this challenge as they currently spend on military research - in
the case of the United States, about $80 billion a year.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Now spending that sort of money may well be
a &lt;em&gt;reasonable&lt;/em&gt; response. It  should
even buy some compelling new technologies (though how wisely governments would
invest it is a moot point).
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
But getting the Americans to spend $80
billion on basic research? I look forward to seeing Prins and Rayner travel to
Washington to lobby for &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; tax hike. 
&lt;/p&gt;
Until
they succeed, and given signs of Kyoto&amp;#39;s modest success, I reckon targets of
some kind do indeed remain &lt;em&gt;the only game in town&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
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