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 <description>The Green Party has advocated carbon taxes for as long as I can remember (which is admittedly, not necessarily very long these days), but went on to adopt carbon trading a couple of years ago because taxes are a pretty vague way of going about a very serious business. Economists speak of &quot;elasticity&quot; with carbon taxes; basically, people moan about rising prices, but then just keep on truckin&#039; because - well, frankly, we&#039;re addicted to oil. Mr Wolf says that tradeable carbon credits sounds like rationing. Well, that is because it is rationing. 

It all comes down to our perception of how serious the situation is. Looks as if Mr Wolf sees AGW as a bit of a nuisance, plenty of time to do something about it. The scientists and environmentalists take a different view.

I see no reason not to do both taxes and quotas. The taxes should be hypothecated to energy efficiency and renewables, in order to minimise the grumbles of the taxed.</description>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;
Over the past year or so, a number of economists
and other market-friendly commentators have &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9337630&quot;&gt;fallen
out of love&lt;/a&gt; with market solutions to climate change. Most of them would prefer
a carbon tax - which is, on the face of it, surprising. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
‘Economists demand new taxes&amp;#39; is not a
commonly used headline. So what&amp;#39;s going on?
&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Wolf&quot;&gt;Martin Wolf&lt;/a&gt;, the FT&amp;#39;s chief
economic commentator, is one of those leading the charge for taxes. Unlike some
who rely purely utilitarian arguments, Wolf is refreshingly explicit about his
libertarian (or as a Brit would put it, liberal) concerns.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
If binding targets are bought in, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4d25b050-d304-11db-829f-000b5df10621.html&quot;&gt;he
frets&lt;/a&gt;, a ‘government would be held legally liable for failing to compel the
people of this country to behave as it desires over the next half century.&amp;#39; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Tradable allowances, meanwhile, remind him
of war-time rationing. Start with allowances for big businesses and eventually
individuals will have them too. That&amp;#39;s far too egalitarian for Wolf&amp;#39;s taste,
and relies on an overbearing state for enforcement. He finds such ‘interventionist
gimmickry&amp;#39; a frightening thought.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
But, like others on the pro-carbon tax
bandwagon, Wolf also suspects that markets won&amp;#39;t work. Cap emissions, and he
worries that carbon prices will shoot around all over the place, introducing
unprecedented volatility into the economy.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Much better to set a tax, which gives every
economic actor (whether individual or multinational) certainty about what their
energy costs will be.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Now there is an obvious counter argument.
You can only get ‘price certainty&amp;#39; if you give up ‘emissions certainty&amp;#39;. That
may not be a good idea when such deep cuts in emissions are needed. That&amp;#39;s
something we&amp;#39;ll explore in more detail in a forthcoming post.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
To support his views on markets, Wolf needs
to look no further than the world&amp;#39;s biggest existing carbon market - the European
emission trading scheme - which will be worth €60 billion in its second phase. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Stavros Dimas, Europe&amp;#39;s environment
commissioner, &lt;a href=&quot;http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=SPEECH/07/674&amp;amp;format=HTML&amp;amp;aged=0&amp;amp;language=EN&amp;amp;guiLanguage=en#fnB1&quot;&gt;has
dubbed it&lt;/a&gt; ‘a supertanker and a standard setter.&amp;#39; Wolf, in contrast, would
probably prefer ‘Titanic&amp;#39; as a designation. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Writing in the FT a few days ago, he didn&amp;#39;t
mince his words:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;quote-msg&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;quote-author&quot;&gt;Quote:&lt;/div&gt;The vaunted
European emissions trading system has been more a way of transferring quota
rent to a few big emitters than an effective means of emissions control. The UK
government has, for example, been honest enough to admit that large electricity
generators gained £1.2bn in quota rent for 2005 alone.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Ironically, Wolf&amp;#39;s opposition to markets
puts him in the same camp as a sizeable chunk of the campaigning groups here at
Bali. Friends of the Earth International , for example, opposes all trading
that includes carbon sinks (for example, where rich countries receive credits
for pay poor ones to stop cutting their forests down).&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
According to its climate campaigner, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foe.co.uk/resource/press_releases/bali_climate_talks_press_b_30112007.html&quot;&gt;Joseph
Zacune&lt;/a&gt;, the organisation is not completely opposed to trading between rich
countries, but like Wolf, it believes most schemes fail. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
They too have the Europe&amp;#39;s current trading
scheme in their sights:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;quote-msg&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;quote-author&quot;&gt;Quote:&lt;/div&gt;There was a huge
over-allocation of permits and the biggest polluters got the most. There was a
system of grandfathering. Those that pollute the most, get the most credits. It
hasn&amp;#39;t done anything to reduce emissions.&lt;/div&gt; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Earlier today, I asked &lt;a href=&quot;http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:yUf9YpSq2w8J:www.europawissenschaften-berlin.de/texte/CV_Dr_Runge_Metzger.pdf+artur+runge+metzger&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;ct=clnk&amp;amp;cd=2&amp;amp;client=firefox-a&quot;&gt;Artur
Runge-Metzger&lt;/a&gt; for his opinion on Wolf&amp;#39;s attack on the ETS. Runge-Metzger
heads Europe&amp;#39;s climate unit and had been wheeled out by the Europeans to defend
a market-based approach to solving the climate problem.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
He told me he was completely convinced that
carbon markets could help reduce emissions. And while he defended the first
phase of the ETS as ‘learning by doing&amp;#39;, he argued that even that had produced
major changes in company behaviour.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&amp;#39;I deeply believe
in this,&amp;#39; he said, &amp;#39;and have no doubt that our market has already played a significant
role in driving emissions down.&amp;#39;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
It will be interesting to see whether the
Europeans can substantiate this claim (either now, or in the coming phase), but
even if they can, opposition to markets will remain strong.
&lt;/p&gt;
Because
opposition to carbon markets is not just about efficiency. Dig a little deeper
and you find a deep suspicion of government motives, competence and capacity. As
emissions cuts bite, many do not believe the world&amp;#39;s politicians can be trusted
to do the right thing.</description>
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