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During his hectic blogging schedule last
week, David Steven somehow found time to post an &lt;a href=&quot;/global_deal/dumping_Kyoto&quot; title=&quot;Dumping on Kyoto post&quot;&gt;in depth analysis&lt;/a&gt; of some of
the recent criticisms of the Kyoto Protocol.
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He ended his analysis with a review of the ‘time
to ditch Kyoto&amp;#39; argument of Gwyn Prins and Steve Rayner, particularly their central
big idea of putting ‘public investment in energy R&amp;amp;D on a wartime footing&amp;#39;. 
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David&amp;#39;s conclusion was that
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&lt;div class=&quot;quote-msg&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;quote-author&quot;&gt;Quote:&lt;/div&gt;Now spending that sort of money may well be a &lt;em&gt;reasonable&lt;/em&gt;
response. It should even buy some compelling new technologies (though how
wisely governments would invest it is a moot point). 
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But getting the Americans to spend $80 billion on basic research? I look
forward to seeing Prins and Rayner travel to Washington to lobby for &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; tax
hike. 
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Until they succeed, and given signs of Kyoto&amp;#39;s modest success, I
reckon targets of some kind do indeed remain &lt;em&gt;the only game in town&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;
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This is indeed the principle &lt;strong&gt;practical&lt;/strong&gt; criticism of their
alternative suggestion, but by no means the only one. And given the deepening
attention to the future form of Kyoto that will surely
come as the Bali negotiations approach their conclusion; it&amp;#39;s a worthwhile
exercise to pick apart a little further what Kyoto actually is, and what it isn&amp;#39;t.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
We can do this by continuing the discussion
of the Prins &amp;amp; Rayner &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v449/n7165/full/449973a.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;Prins &amp;amp; Rayner Nature Commentary&quot;&gt;commentary in Nature&lt;/a&gt; [subscription required], not
least because it received serious attention when it was published, and has now
been released as a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.martininstitute.ox.ac.uk/NR/rdonlyres/06C527B7-D0DA-4D57-A38C-EDD6C5863112/0/TheWrongTrousers.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;Prins &amp;amp; Rayner Longer Paper&quot;&gt;longer paper&lt;/a&gt; [pdf]. If you want to get a flavour of the varied
reaction it received I recommend a quick read of the coverage and comments on
the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newscientist.com/blog/environment/2007/10/should-we-ditch-kyoto-protocol.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;New Scientist Environment Blog&quot;&gt;New Scientist environment blog&lt;/a&gt; and the ‘&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aussmc.org/Time_to_ditch_kyoto.php&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;Australian Climate Experts respond&quot;&gt;Experts
Respond&lt;/a&gt;&amp;#39; feature at the Australian science media centre.
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As it happens, one of the best reactions to their
commentary was also one of the first. Clive Bates starts &lt;a href=&quot;http://baconbutty.blogspot.com/2007/10/dont-ditch-kyoto-protocol.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;Clive Bates Kyoto analysis&quot;&gt;his analysis&lt;/a&gt; on his ‘Bacon
Butty&amp;#39; blog recounting that his &amp;quot;otherwise peaceful morning
slumber was disturbed by a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today3_Kyoto_20071025.ram&quot;&gt;radio
interview&lt;/a&gt; announcing that social scientists Steve Rayner and Gwin Prins
want to &amp;#39;ditch the Kyoto Protocol&amp;#39;.&amp;quot;
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&lt;p&gt;
Clive
goes on to tease apart the Prins / Rayner policy suggestions (and its
packaging) in detail, but early on in his post he provides a succint introduction to Kyoto&amp;#39;s &lt;strong&gt;political&lt;/strong&gt; value as a process:
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&lt;div class=&quot;quote-msg&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;quote-author&quot;&gt;Quote:&lt;/div&gt;Their
supposedly radical alternative proposals aren&amp;#39;t radical or even alternative.
But they would, if taken seriously, dissipate what political commitment already
exists. Let&amp;#39;s examine what they describe as this &amp;#39;silver buckshot&amp;#39; approach in
more detail...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Overall... I think they just don&amp;#39;t quite get what Kyoto does&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The authors say that Kyoto is based on the models used for
tackling ozone, depletion, acid rain and nuclear arms, and that: &lt;em&gt;in
practice, Kyoto depends on the top-down creation of a global market in carbon
dioxide by allowing countries to buy and sell their agreed allowances of
emissions&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Overall, they have mis-characterised the Kyoto protocol (it isn&amp;#39;t a single policy
instrument designed to create a global trading system). Furthermore, they&amp;#39;ve
not recognised the critical problem at the heart of climate change - it is an
international, intergenerational &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_action&quot;&gt;collective action problem&lt;/a&gt;
to be faced in conditions of uncertainty, distrust and short-termism. The Kyoto
Protocol attempts to create a framework for negotiating a solution given that
conceptualisation of the problem. The authors&amp;#39; emphasis on local, bottom and
piecemeal approaches overlooks the problems of free-riding and the difficulty
of getting anything much done, when people fear that others are not doing
anything (ie. the collective action issue). The authors appear to take swipes
at the Kyoto Protocol without realising that its function is limited to
establishing major commitments between parties and organising co-operation. It
does not specify policies, but what must be achieved. The choice of policies
and the appropriate jurisdictional scale for action is up to the parties.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;
Clive&amp;#39;s description of the purpose of the Kyoto
Protocol was taken on further recently by my colleague Nick Mabey, in an
&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedback/2007/11/climate_podcast_episode_1_1.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;Nick Mabey podcast interview&quot;&gt;interview&lt;/a&gt; he gave to the first of the climate podcasts from Nature&amp;#39;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedback/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;Climate Feedback podcast&quot;&gt;Climate
Feedback&lt;/a&gt; blog. (Those of you who want to listen can find Nick&amp;#39;s input from
around 16mins 35secs of the podcast).
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Nick Mabey started with some more on the history of
what Kyoto
sought to achieve:
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&lt;div class=&quot;quote-msg&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;quote-author&quot;&gt;Quote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;quot;Most of the people who say we
should ditch Kyoto
entirely know very little about it, and make very strange statements as if the
people who decided on it were stupid and didn&amp;#39;t know what it was doing.
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Everybody who was at Kyoto, including
myself, knew it was a first step, it was setting up the architecture, and we
didn&amp;#39;t forget to include China and India, we knew we weren&amp;#39;t including them in
binding emission caps.
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&lt;p&gt;
If you tried to destroy Kyoto and reinvent it, you&amp;#39;d have to reinvent
a lot of exactly the same mechanisms. What we need to do is enhance Kyoto and then build a
lot of other pieces around it which will help drive the global transformation.
Because while it does what it does well, it&amp;#39;s not sufficient for meeting the
ambition we&amp;#39;re trying to achieve.&amp;quot;&lt;/div&gt;
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This description reaffirms the value of Kyoto as the start of a
process, rather than the be-all-and-end-all of mitigation efforts. (Something
that is often deliberately ignored and distorted, and is particularly
visible in the utterly meaningless statistics so beloved by Bjorn Lomborg et al
as to the impact ‘Kyoto&amp;#39;
would make on global temperatures over a century).
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If we project the original Kyoto
purpose forward, the key question for Bali then
becomes what should be the next step in the process? 
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Now there are many different possibilities
as to how future global climate efforts could be driven, but not so many which
bear a good chance of success.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
We&amp;#39;ve approached this issue within E3G over
the last year by thinking through what appear to be the 3 main failure modes of
the current efforts to secure a global climate deal. 
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&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;
	Firstly: no agreement, pure and simple. 
	&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;
	Secondly: an agreement that is
	insufficiently ambitious, resulting in massive climate impacts on the poorest
	nations (a question of climate justice), and security and economic impacts on
	the wealthier nations (a question of self interest). 
	&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
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	Thirdly: an agreement that is sufficiently
	ambitious, but which doesn&amp;#39;t have buy in from key actors (whether those be countries
	or industrial sectors) meaning that implementation doesn&amp;#39;t follow.
	&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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Unfortunately, the record of Kyoto implementation and the advances in climate science
over the last decade suggest that Kyoto
in itself has been a mixture of failure modes 2 and 3 - insufficiently ambitious,
and without buy in.
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&lt;p&gt;
So how can we correct for this? How can a
future climate agreement be both ambitious and create buy in? What form should
it take?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This brings us neatly back to the Prins /
Rayner paper and the Climate feedback podcast. Interviewer Olive Hefferman
asked Nick Mabey whether the focus of attention should now be on securing a further
global agreement (a la Kyoto), or instead on bringing together just the main
emitters (as per the Prins / Rayner prescription). 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Nick&amp;#39;s response puts him very firmly in the
first camp - without the deal being global, we simply won&amp;#39;t get the right level
of ambition:
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&lt;div class=&quot;quote-msg&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;quote-author&quot;&gt;Quote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;quot;I think its very dangerous if we
just have an agreement between the major emitting powers, because that leaves
the victims away from the table, and experience shows that if you don&amp;#39;t have
the people who suffer in an agreement, then its very unlikely that you will get
an agreement that&amp;#39;s strong and powerful because all the emitting nations have
an interest in raising the barrier and having a weaker agreement.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
So, much as people are attracted to the
idea of having a small group of powerful countries making the deal, I think it&amp;#39;s
very dangerous to exclude those people in Africa and the Small Islands
who are actually going to be the victims.&amp;quot;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
OK, so things are getting a little clearer, at least for a non-climate specialist  like me:
The negotiations that Bali will kick start have
value as the process of political agreement. And the agreement needs to be
global in scope if it is to be ambitious.
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I&amp;#39;ll come back to the question of how a
global deal can ensure effective buy in another day... 
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&lt;p&gt;
To conclude with a forward look, here&amp;#39;s a
final podcast comment from Nick Mabey in response to the question &amp;quot;Are you
optimistic about Bali&amp;#39;s chances?&amp;quot;
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&lt;div class=&quot;quote-msg&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;quote-author&quot;&gt;Quote:&lt;/div&gt;&amp;quot;I am, because I think the political
momentum globally is with an effort to change the climate. So although there&amp;#39;ll
be tactical mismatches, there&amp;#39;ll be political arguments, in the end time is on
our side. The new American administration, of whatever party, will join up to
an international agreement in 2009. So at Bali we need to keep the momentum
going, keep people focussed on the need to do something quickly, and not let
ourselves be distracted by short term tactics from those nations who, to be
honest, have lost the argument and are just trying to spoil the game now.&amp;quot;&lt;/div&gt;
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