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&lt;a href=&quot;http://sticerd.lse.ac.uk/_new/staff/person.asp?id=4478&quot;&gt;Sir Nicholas
Stern&lt;/a&gt; - these days a minor deity in the international firmament - spoke at a debate this evening on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://hdr.undp.org/en/reports/global/hdr2007-2008/&quot;&gt;new UNDP report&lt;/a&gt;
on climate change and development.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Stern (whose name is
invoked an average of 3,421 times an hour around the Bali conference centre)
has become an unrivalled oracle for what climate change will cost, both if fixed
and if left unchecked.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
But one fact seldom noted
is that his report focuses on keeping greenhouse gases below a level of 550ppm
- a target that now looks quite dated, with most commentators talking about
450ppm or even lower.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Stern has hardened up his rhetoric
too, reacting to IPCC findings that came after his review was published. This
was clear in the debate, when he asked what a global deal on climate should
look like.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
On targets, he is now
committed to concentration levels well below 550ppm. Emissions need to be cut
by 50%, he says, which would set an average per capita rate of 2-3 tonnes per
capita in 2050.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
That would leave Europe on
the global average, if it can cut its emissions by 80%. A similar cut for the
US would leave it well above the average.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
But for all countries to
aim for the same per capita emissions would be deeply unfair on the poorer
ones. They have never had the benefit of higher emissions (this is the exact
opposite of &lt;a href=&quot;/global_deal/kerry_climate&quot;&gt;John
Kerry&amp;#39;s argument&lt;/a&gt; yesterday).
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&amp;quot;It would be like a group
of people drinking from the well for a very long time,&amp;quot; he said. &amp;quot;And, when
they begin to realise the well is running dry, they all agree to have a glass
of the same size. It&amp;#39;s a very weak notion of equity. 80% cuts for developed
countries is the absolute minimum that equity demands.&amp;quot;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
But what are the economic
implications of all this? There are two much cited figures from the Stern
Review (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/media/B/7/Chapter_10_Macroeconomic_Models_of_Costs.pdf&quot;&gt;chapter
10&lt;/a&gt;). 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
On the one hand, unchecked
climate change will cost as much as two world wars and the intervening
depression combined. On the other, that action will be cheap - a one off charge
of around 1% of GDP to be spent between now and 2050. (Stern puts a 3% error on
this, up or down, but fewer people remember this.) 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Over a century, we&amp;#39;d lose
less than 6 months of global growth.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
But this is to stabilize at
550ppm. In the review, Stern reports that relatively little economic modelling
has been done for levels below 500ppm, but what there is suggests that below
400ppm &amp;quot;unaffordable mitigation options [are] quickly exhausted.&amp;quot;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
A 400-450pppm target would
cost three times as much as 500-550ppm, Stern estimates. That implies a charge
in the region of 3% of GDP, again with a possible 3% error either way.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&amp;quot;The lesson here is to avoid
doing too much, too fast, and to pace the flow of mitigation appropriately,&amp;quot; he
concludes. &amp;quot;Great uncertainty remains as to the costs of very deep reductions.&amp;quot;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
After the debate, I jostled
through the throng for a fleeting audience with the much-in-demand economist.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;openDemocracy&lt;/strong&gt;: &amp;quot;Has your thinking moved
on since the Stern Review on the costs of mitigation?&amp;quot;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Stern&lt;/strong&gt;: &amp;quot;It was very clear from
the Stern Review that 550ppm was the absolute upper limit. It would be really
reckless to go above that. So we suggested targets of 500-550ppm. A lot of the
scientists have now come in strongly to say it should be 400-450ppm. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&amp;quot;That will cost a bit more,
but in my view that&amp;#39;s also worth paying. We said 1% to get below 550ppm. I
think it might cost 1 or 2% to get below 500.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&amp;quot;But the sooner we start,
the cheaper it will be. You give yourself the time to renew capital equipment
because it starts to be time to retire it. You give yourself more time to
discover new technologies and different ways of doing things. You get more time
to set up and demonstrate institutions like carbon trading that are going to
play a big role.&amp;quot;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;oD&lt;/strong&gt;: &amp;quot;Do we need more economic
research on lower stabilization targets?&amp;quot;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Stern&lt;/strong&gt;: &amp;quot;We certainly need more
research. We also need more research country by country. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&amp;quot;But look at the analyses
that came after the Stern Review was published in October 2006, the
International Energy Agency published the 2006 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.worldenergyoutlook.org/2006.asp&quot;&gt;World Energy Outlook&lt;/a&gt;
about a month after we did. They came out with costs for mitigation that were
quite similar or a bit lower than ours.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&amp;quot;A &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mckinsey.com/clientservice/ccsi/greenhousegas.asp&quot;&gt;recent
study&lt;/a&gt; by McKinsey has come out with numbers that were, on the whole, a bit
lower than ours. The Human Development Report was also a little bit lower than
ours.
&lt;/p&gt;
&amp;quot;I
think the numbers we came up with have been reinforced by later research. Maybe
there are arguments that we were slightly on the high side.&amp;quot;</description>
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