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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Strawson starts off well with an analysis of the flimsiness of &quot;international law&quot;, a term constantly used by both sides.&lt;br /&gt;
However, he digresses too much into his own political analysis and gets away from the topic of the pursuit of justice.&lt;br /&gt;
There is a serious problem both sides have with the pursuit of justice, and both Israelis and Palestinians cite &quot;security concerns&quot; when abusing the civil rights of their own people and those of the &quot;other side&quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
Strawson also gets sucked into the belief that the 1967 borders are somehow sacrosanct, yet accepting them means accepting that the acquisition of land by force is legitimate. Both sides gained and lost land in the 1948 war. No, the UN partition plan of 1948 won&#039;t work, but then neither will the 1967 pre-ceasefire borders.&lt;br /&gt;
He also ignores the fact that while Hamas may have won the elections on the promise of better government, he has not bothered to analyze if they are indeed delivering it. Are the Palestinian courts being just to the Palestinians? Are womens&#039; and childrens&#039; rights being upheld? And while internally Hamas had an agenda for better government, their foreign policy towards Israel is in complete abrogation of signed agreements of the PA and those so-called international laws. How can the international community continue to fund a Hamas government that says it does not want peace and supports a policy of human rights violations?&lt;br /&gt;
Strawson should stick to the basics of how justice should be pursued. The Palestinians must not just study law and have a faculty at BirZeit, they have to institutionalize and enshrine justice in their society and this is not yet being done. Despite 20 years of supposed effort, there still is no Palestinian constitution.&lt;br /&gt;
Is there a Birzeit type program in Gaza? Somehow, I think the Palestinians and their sponsors have failed to do that. Palestinian justice will have to come from within, and it will have to be in both Gaza and the West Bank.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Very well balanced and thought provoking piece.&lt;br /&gt;
Dr Brian Robinson&lt;/p&gt;
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;I know everyone likes to hate the British, but it&#039;s a bit rough to blame them for Israel demolishing houses. In WWII there was a &#039;&#039;Defence (Emergency) Regulations&#039;&#039;, under which Regulation 119 legalised demolishing houses by military commanders without any judicial oversight.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In 1987, the British said this regulation had been repealed in 1948 - but the repeal was never published in the Palestine Gazette, as required in law at that time. Israel still carries out punitive military house demolition under the British DER 119. see p.12 of the Emma Playfair article &quot;Demolition and Sealing of Houses as a Punitive Measure in the Israeli-Occupied West Bank&quot; at http://www.alhaq.org/pdfs/Demolition%20and%20Sealing%20of%20Houses.pdf&lt;/p&gt;
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;
Rosemary Bechler&lt;/strong&gt;: Many appeals on behalf of
the Palestinian cause often invoke international law and human rights - so far
to no avail. On your visits to Palestine, do you encounter frustration with
this approach?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;pullquote_new&quot;&gt;
John Strawson is
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uel.ac.uk/law/staff/johnstrawson.htm&quot;&gt;reader&lt;/a&gt; in law at the University of East London
(UEL). He specialises in the area of law and postcolonialism, with particular
reference to the middle east, Islam and international law. He has worked for
over a decade with the Birzeit Institute of Law, and is a member of the Center
on Human Rights in Conflict
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;John Strawson&lt;/strong&gt;: I do, frequently. One of the saddest
comments I ever received was during the siege of Ramallah in 2000, from a
colleague of mine who had taught human rights. She wrote to say that she now
realised that this had been a wasted investment of her student years, and that
there was no such thing. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Who has rights
within international law? This issue tends to be steeped in mythology.
International law, after all, does not spring fully formed out of world-court
justice: it is created by the nation- states of the international community,
led by governments who are not very nice. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Where, for
example, did a key right for the Palestinians - the right of self-determination
- come from? It came because people fought for it and broke the law in order to
get it. Since 1917, the international community has said (following the League
of Nations mandate, line 22) that the Palestinians are not &amp;quot;the Palestinians&amp;quot;,
but the existing &amp;quot;non-Jewish communities&amp;quot;. In that mandate the international
community recognised the right of the Jews to reconstitute their historic home
in Palestine, and that was the framework for policy right up to 1947 when the
United Nations partitioned Palestine. The UN&amp;#39;s founding charter is very clear
on the fact that its obligations take precedence over those of any other
international obligation. One assumes therefore that this must be quite lawful,
whether or not you see it as unjust. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
All too often,
I&amp;#39;m afraid, the assumptions of supporters of Palestine that the law is &amp;quot;on
their side&amp;quot; must be tempered by the reality of international law. Take, for
example, the decision of the International Court of Justice declaring the
separation wall illegal. It is a wonderful judgment - but read it closely, and
you will find that it refers to the pre-1967 borders of Israel, including west
Jerusalem, as &amp;quot;the territory of Israel itself&amp;quot;. Now, until 2004, Jerusalem had always
been regarded as a territory whose status had yet to be determined. That is why
only two small states ever had embassies there, and why the British embassy is
in Tel Aviv. This court decision actually altered that international legal
understanding for the first time. Now west Jerusalem is part of &amp;quot;the territory
of Israel itself&amp;quot;.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;pullquote_new&quot;&gt;
Rosemary Bechler
is a writer and consultant, and former international editor of &lt;strong&gt;openDemocracy&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Among her many &lt;a href=&quot;/author/Rosemary_Bechler.jsp&quot;&gt;articles&lt;/a&gt; on &lt;strong&gt;openDemocracy&lt;/strong&gt;
are:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/561&quot;&gt;All our (Gothic) yesterdays - the really special
relationship&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (25 April
2002)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/611&quot;&gt;Stafford Beer: the man who could have run the world&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (7 November 2002)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/996&quot;&gt;Being counted&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (20 February 2003)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/1996&quot;&gt;Reinventing Islam in Europe: a profile of Tariq Ramadan&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (6 July 2004)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflict-debate_97/zionism_2766.jsp&quot;&gt;Nation as trauma, Zionism as
question: Jacqueline Rose interviewed&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (18 August 2005)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflict-debate_97/under_siege_4679.jsp&quot;&gt;Palestinians under siege in the
West Bank&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (6 June 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/arts-commons/genius_3667.jsp&quot;&gt;Should artists know better? The
British copyright experience&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (20 June 2006) - this article draws on Rosemary Bechler&amp;#39;s research
for the British Council and associated blog, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.counterpoint-online.org/cgi-bin/item.cgi?id=637&amp;amp;d=11&amp;amp;h=24&amp;amp;f=46&amp;amp;dateformat=%2525o-%2525B-%2525Y&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Unbounded Freedom: a guide to Creative Commons for cultural
institutions&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
International
law is a far more complicated story than people think. Moreover, you can never
assume that it is on the side of justice or human rights. It is often imagined
there was a golden age of human rights in law at some time in the past; people
routinely talk about &amp;quot;an unprecedented attack on human rights&amp;quot;. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
But look back a
century or more, and it becomes clear that &amp;quot;human rights&amp;quot; is a very new idea.
Governments have always seized power and used administrative detention in
various situations. The awful truth is that every time the Israelis blow up a
&amp;quot;terrorist&amp;#39;s&amp;quot; house in Palestine, they do it under British emergency law. When
the Israelis build settlements, they justify them via interpretations of the
British use of Ottoman law during the period of the mandate. And so it goes on.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
People ask: is
international law, law? But I ask, is it &lt;em&gt;international&lt;/em&gt;?
Actually, international law is only determined by a small number of states and
legal systems, basically the common law and the civil-law systems. Even under
Iran&amp;#39;s Islamic system, the court structure is based on the French. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Several key
questions - what would be an international system, who is the international
community, what are international values - have not yet been posed. In the
meantime, we irrationally exclude certain things and include others.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
In our time,
however, we are seeing the emergence of a new call for a universal language of
rights. We cannot expect these laws to somehow be &amp;quot;out there and established&amp;quot;,
but we can try and ensure that the defence of this language creates a new
agenda for politics. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;A Palestinian education &lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Rosemary Bechler&lt;/strong&gt;: How did you first become involved in
Palestinian destinies?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;John Strawson&lt;/strong&gt;: I&amp;#39;m a reader in law at the University of
East London (UEL). For over ten years I have worked with the Birzeit Institute
of Law, through a consortium of European universities which support the
institute. This was the first attempt to teach postgraduate legal studies in
Palestine - a sensitive project because there is no settled legal system in
Palestine. You couldn&amp;#39;t rush to teach contract law or criminal law, because the
legal system in Palestine was a consequence of several layers of occupation -
Ottoman, British, Israeli, Jordanian, Egyptian. Therefore it was necessary to
start from scratch to get lawyers and legal academics to think about what kind
of legal system they wanted. This was in effect setting about creating a
Palestinian state, but from a quite different perspective from that normally
chosen by nation-builders. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
When the idea
was first mooted there were only two law professors. The university rejected
the project out of hand. After a brief visit to the law centre in 1993 just
before the Oslo process was finalised, I went back with some colleagues of
mine, to explore possible links between the University of East London and
Birzeit University. I took my boss, the dean of the UEA law school and the dean
of economics to meet the dynamic new director, Camille Manseau, just appointed
at Birzeit from the Sorbonne. He was living in a friend&amp;#39;s flat and only had a
laptop computer, but he was somehow managing to fund the construction of an
entire building through grants from the World Bank and Usaid and all sorts of
other organisations. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Unfortunately,
you can make a lot more money being a lawyer than you could ever earn as an
academic. Academic salaries in Palestine as in the rest of the Arab world are
extremely low, so persuading even Palestinians to go back and teach was
difficult enough. How was Camille Manseau going to get started? He realised
that we had to grow our own professors, by choosing and selecting the best
students, and procuring European grant-funding for them to do their PhDs.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This is what we
have done. The first two Palestinian professors at the Birzeit Institute of Law
started their careers on the masters&amp;#39; programme a decade ago. In each case they
went to Belgium to do doctorates, and returned to teach at the institute. There
is a three-storey building with a very fine library and the first-ever legal
database in Arabic. It has a masters programme with twenty to thirty students
every year, and a new undergraduate programme with 110 students in their first
year. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
It was a wonderful
development plan to be part of. The occupation was reinstated during this time,
and there were many other obstacles. But Palestinians are impressively good at
building institutions in conditions that would defeat most people. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This is what is
so frustrating about the rather condescending views you can find in the
&amp;quot;international community&amp;quot; about how Palestinians &amp;quot;need to learn how to build
democracy&amp;quot;. Actually they are very good at pluralism, and very good at building
institutions. Because they have had to deal with occupation, Palestinians - a
bit like South Africans with their marvellous constitution - appreciate the
issues of democracy in a way that many do not. In 1996, the Palestinians held
the most democratic elections ever seen in the Arab world. These were a threat
no doubt to despots such as Saddam Hussein, Hosni Mubarak in Egypt and the
Saudis. Despite the very difficult conditions, huge numbers turned out to vote.
Arafat was challenged. An amazing assembly was elected, with the highest level of
academic qualifications in the world. 78% had BAs, 50% masters degrees, over
10% had PhDs.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
I went there to
teach. I was given a part of a course called the history of law in Palestine,
and asked to teach on the British period. I knew a lot about British colonialism
from India and about Islamic law from the 18th century onwards. My students,
simply by being who and where they were, urged me to think about what was going
on in Palestine at that time. I began to write articles for them since there
was no literature on this, and they made me think through some very challenging
questions.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;A screen of ignorance&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;
Rosemary Bechler:&lt;/strong&gt; Your own research must
have taken on a new relevance in these circumstances, because it was already
influenced, I believe, by the work of Edward Said? 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;John Strawson&lt;/strong&gt;: Much of my academic work for the last
fifteen years has been involved in trying to apply Edward Said&amp;#39;s concept of
orientalism to the field of law. Said wrote in &lt;em&gt;Orientalism&lt;/em&gt; about the &amp;quot;symbolic orientalism&amp;quot; of Sir William Jones&amp;#39;s
legal work in India. I began to look at what actually took place in legal
thought and legal texts as a consequence of colonialism and specifically, how
the &amp;quot;other&amp;quot; was constituted and how other legal systems were viewed during the
British engagement there. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
In a
contemporary context, it became very clear that this unfortunate stereotyping
had kept much of its its grip, both at the level of law and of policy-making in
general. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Take for example
the building of the wall, and the way in which the Sharon government carried
out his disengagement policy in Gaza. In both cases it was essential that the
middle east, Arabs, and Islam in particular, were constructed as irredeemably
backward, fixed, homogenous, wedded to violence, and incapable of democracy or
human rights unless everyone becomes a westerner. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The wall is
saying this very strongly: the people on the other side are barbarians. &amp;quot;We&amp;quot;
can&amp;#39;t come to an administrative agreement with &amp;quot;them&amp;quot; because deep inside
themselves is this inability to stick to an agreement, because their culture is
so different. It seems to me very tragic, but also very important to grasp that
this division does still inform policy. I am talking here about ingrained
Israeli attitudes, but these are linked to a wider international discourse. The
&amp;quot;other&amp;quot; is always at the very least strange, and only addressed across a gap
which it is difficult to bridge.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Once you are
alert to these constructions, there are so many examples. Ehud Barak&amp;#39;s attitude
to Yasser Arafat is but one. In an interview with Benny Morris in June 2002,
Barak claimed that the Palestinians &amp;quot;want a state in all of Palestine&amp;quot; - that
is, all of British- mandate Palestine, including Israel. In the short term, he
conceded, this would be difficult to achieve because &amp;quot;Israel is too
strong&amp;quot;.  But he went on: 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&amp;quot;They will
exploit the tolerance and democracy of Israel first to turn it into ‘a state
for all its citizens&amp;#39;, as demanded by the extreme nationalist wing of the
Israel&amp;#39;s Arabs and extremist leftwing Jewish Israelis. Then they will push for
a bi-national state and then, demography and attrition will lead to a state
with a Muslim majority and a Jewish minority. This would not necessarily mean
kicking out all the Jews. But it would mean the destruction of Israel as a Jewish
state. This I believe is their vision.&amp;quot;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Barak sees more than these ulterior motives on the part of Palestinian
negotiators. He adds that Palestinians come from a culture which is
characterised by lying;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&amp;quot;They are products of a culture in which to tell a lie...creates no
dissonance. They don&amp;#39;t suffer from the problem of telling lies that exists in
Judeo-Christian culture. Truth is seen as an irrelevant category. There is only
that which serves your purpose and that which doesn&amp;#39;t. They see themselves as
emissaries of a national movement for whom everything is permissible. There is
no such thing as ‘truth&amp;#39;.&amp;quot;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;pullquote_new&quot;&gt;
Among &lt;strong&gt;openDemocracy&amp;#39;s
&lt;/strong&gt;recent articles on the Israel-Palestine conflict:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Richard Youngs, &amp;quot;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflict-middle_east_politics/union_engagement_4485.jsp&quot;&gt;The European
Union and Palestine: a new engagement&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;quot; (28 March 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mient Jan Faber &amp;amp; Mary Kaldor, &amp;quot;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflict-debate_97/report_gaza_4632.jsp&quot;&gt;Palestine&amp;#39;s
human insecurity: a Gaza report&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;quot; (20 May 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Fred Halliday, &amp;quot;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/19649&quot;&gt;Palestinians
and Israelis: a political impasse&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;quot; (5 June 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Tony Klug, &amp;quot;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflict-debate_97/israel_palestine_4674.jsp&quot;&gt;Israel-Palestine:
how peace broke out&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;quot; (5 June 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Omar al-Qattan, &amp;quot;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflicts/israel_palestine/secret_visitations_memory&quot;&gt;The secret
visitations of memory&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;quot; (14 June 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Ghassan Khatib, &amp;quot;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/conflicts/israel_palestine/political_solution&quot;&gt;Palestinian
political rights: a common-sense solution&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;quot; (27 September 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Daniel Seidemann, &amp;quot;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/annapolis_and_the_jerusalem_paradigm&quot;&gt;Annapolis and
the ‘Jerusalem paradigm&amp;#39;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;quot; (30 October 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mariano Aguirre &amp;amp; Mark Taylor, &amp;quot;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/conflicts/israel_palestine/annapolis&quot;&gt;Annapolis:
how to avoid failure&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;quot; (12 November 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Khaled Hroub, &amp;quot;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/conflicts/israel_palestine/annapolis_postmodern_politics&quot;&gt;Annapolis, or
the absurdity of postmodern politics&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;quot; (22 November 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
El Hassan bin Talal, &amp;quot;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/conflicts/israel_palestine/annapolis_amman&quot;&gt;Annapolis: a
view from Amman&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;quot; (26
November 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Volker Perthes, &amp;quot;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/conflicts/israel_palestine/europe_beyond_peace&quot;&gt;Beyond peace:
Israel, the Arab world, and Europe&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;quot; (22 January 2008)
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
For Ehud Barak, the Palestinians are not negotiating in good faith.
They have a secret plan and in any event their culture leads them  systematically to lie. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
When asked why - given his determinist and frankly racist views - he
is bothering to discuss with Palestinians at all, Barak suggests that perhaps
Yasser Arafat (at the time the Palestinians&amp;#39; representative) &amp;quot;would rise to the
occasion&amp;quot;. If this is meant to be Barak setting a test for Arafat, one has to
add that it is a test Barak knows will be failed. Indeed the more Barak&amp;#39;s
analysis of the failure of Camp David is one considered, the stranger it
appears that he wanted to engage in any negotiations at all. The Camp David
process seems to have been aimed at unmasking Arafat and showing the world that
no solution was possible. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Indeed according to Barak, the &lt;em&gt;intifada&lt;/em&gt;
sparked by Ariel Sharon&amp;#39;s visit to the al-Aqsa mosque area (or Temple Mount) in
September 2000 had been &amp;quot;pre-planned, pre-prepared. I don&amp;#39;t mean that Arafat
knew that on a certain day in September&amp;quot;, it would begin, &amp;quot;but it was
definitely on the level of planning, of a grand plan.&amp;quot; In short, Barak portrays
Arafat as devious, untruthful and with a hidden terrorist plan - the typical
orientalist other. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This campaign to ensure that the world understood who was responsible
for the failure of the talks and how that was linked to the second &lt;em&gt;intifada&lt;/em&gt; was fairly effective. The final
breakdown of the process was confirmed as the Taba talks collapsed and
President Clinton left the White House in January 2001. Within a month Ehud
Barak had been replaced by Ariel Sharon as Israeli prime minister. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
If anyone had engaged in pre-planning, it was Ariel Sharon. Yet while
Sharon was opposed to the entire Oslo accords, he was nonetheless to stick to
his predecessor&amp;#39;s account of Arafat&amp;#39;s failings. Sharon turned almost
immediately to complete the process of sidelining Arafat. It is this process
that was given a new international context with 11 September 2001. At once,
&amp;quot;Islamic terrorism&amp;quot; became the main enemy of the United States and the Sharon
government seized the opportunity to link Palestinian violence, and Arafat&amp;#39;s
alleged leadership of it, to the war against terrorism.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This is why it
is so regrettable when people from the west who visit Palestine to offer what
they imagine is solidarity on their return say that they can &amp;quot;almost
understand&amp;quot; what (for example) drives suicide- bombers to commit their terrible
acts. You have to be so careful: making out that there is an &amp;quot;understandable&amp;quot;
tracking between the oppression of Muslims and the acts of these extremists -
who then become representative of the entire Muslim community - just compounds
the confusion around the oriental other. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The European
left in general, having realised that there was some problem with a unilinear,
progressivist line of thinking, now overcompensates and accepts any attack on
western mores as legitimate. Any Muslim who uses violence and says that they
are doing this because they are Muslim, is now a &amp;quot;&lt;em&gt;jihadi&lt;/em&gt;&amp;quot;, drawing upon the Islamic military doctrine of &lt;em&gt;jihad&lt;/em&gt;. Nothing could be further from the
truth. Yes, there is a military conception of &lt;em&gt;jihad&lt;/em&gt;, but it is highly regulated, both in terms of who can
initiate it and who it can be used against. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The Iraqis who,
for example, bombed hotels in Amman in November 2005 were not committing &amp;quot;an
Islamic act&amp;quot;: they were killing civilians - which is quite clearly proscribed
in Islamic international law dating back over a thousand years. This law is
very clear about what target is impermissible in and of itself: you can&amp;#39;t
poison wells; you can&amp;#39;t destroy fruit trees; you can&amp;#39;t attack civilians; you
can&amp;#39;t attack children. So, when the left in the west says, you have to deal
with these people with reference to what they believe in - Islam - it does so
without having any knowledge of Islam. It is a terrible arrogance - that claim
that you know what Islam is and you don&amp;#39;t have to study it! In fact Islamic
legal studies at Islamic universities take a long time. It takes a minimum of
ten years; in some places, such as Najaf University, fifteen years. The idea
that a group of gangsters can simply &amp;quot;declare &lt;em&gt;jihad&lt;/em&gt;&amp;quot; is like saying that the mafia represents the whole of
Italian culture!
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;A conflict of narratives&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Rosemary Bechler&lt;/strong&gt;: Are you still convinced that the solution
must lie in the recognition of a Palestinian state with its own constitution
and legal system?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;John Strawson&lt;/strong&gt;: One of the effects of Yitzhak Rabin&amp;#39;s
assassination was to popularise the idea of the creation of a Palestinian state
in the United States for the first time. We may not be as near the creation of
such a state as one would want; nevertheless there have been important
developments, including the disengagement from Gaza. It is important: it
creates a precedent.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Frustratingly,
since 1967 the Israelis have had it in their power to do what the international
community attempted in 1947, which was to create a two-state solution to the
situation in Palestine. The terrible thing is that instead of withdrawing from
the Palestinian territories, the West Bank and Gaza and east Jerusalem, they
insisted on the occupied territories being a bargaining chip, and this is
obviously deeply problematic. It&amp;#39;s morally problematic for the people living
there; it&amp;#39;s legally problematic; and as it turns out, it has proved to be a
great disaster for the security of Israel. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The Israelis,
had they chosen the alternative route in 1967 or shortly afterwards, could have
effectively neutered the kind of Arab nationalism that had a rather irredentist
view regarding the existence of Israel. They simply missed a great opportunity.
It was the Israeli statesman Abba Eban who said that the Palestinians &amp;quot;never
missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity&amp;quot;. In fact, and with catastrophic
results, both sides have behaved in almost exactly the same way.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
In their
national narratives, both Palestinians and Israelis have from the very
beginning and for far too long tried to argue that the other side is not
legitimate. You cannot resolve a conflict if you do not regard the aspirations
of the other side as in some way legitimate. One of the problems of the whole
anti-Zionist stance which is so strong amongst the left in the west is that it
has encouraged a view in Palestine and amongst Palestinians outside Palestine
that there is a degree of support for the idea that Israel is illegitimate. It
encourages the idea that maybe it is possible to reverse the process. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Spreading the
idea that there will be some amazing transformation whereby Israel will cease
to exist or to be a Zionist state - such ideas are barriers to any kind of
solution. The only solution can be one that both parties want to come to: and
it is ridiculous sitting in London or California saying: &amp;quot;It should be one
state&amp;quot;. Fine, but only if the two parties &lt;em&gt;want&lt;/em&gt;
to live together in one state. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
If what people
want is a Palestinian state, it will not be the one most Palestinians would
have wanted in 1947, or the one most Palestinians want in 2008. It may well be
much smaller. The problem for the Palestinian leadership is to decide what you
are going to do with these crumbs. There are two ways the Palestinians can
respond to the current situation, in particular the Israelis&amp;#39; disengagement
from Gaza. The first is to say: &amp;quot;Basically this mean the occupation is not
over, because the Israelis are still in charge of our security.&amp;quot; From a legal
point of view, this is absolutely the case; Gaza remains fenced in, even if the
surge across the Egyptian border is a process that alters the current
coordinates in as yet unforeseeable ways. The second response would be to echo
what the PLO said in its Algiers declaration in 1988: &amp;quot;In any area of Palestine
that is liberated we will begin to create our state.&amp;quot; It seems to me that as
long as we argue for open borders, then if the Palestinians return to this
policy something can begin to be created. That is also true for the West Bank.
As the PLO first imagined, I think the Palestinian state will come about
through accretion - not through a one-fell-swoop agreement. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Neither side is
going to sign what Bill Clinton wanted in 2000 - an end-of-conflict agreement.
The Israelis can&amp;#39;t do it because they are worried about terrorism and the
Palestinians can&amp;#39;t do it because of the refugees. Both have absolutely
legitimate concerns. So it will be a step-by-step process, and that does mean
addressing the problem of all the extremists on both sides who don&amp;#39;t want this
process to take place.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Rosemary Bechler&lt;/strong&gt;: But you are asking the Palestinians to &amp;quot;hang
in there&amp;quot; in a very low state of morale, near-starvation, poverty and indeed
lawlessness...
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;John Strawson&lt;/strong&gt;: It is true that there is a major breakdown
of the authority of the Palestinian national body absolutely everywhere,
including the West Bank. In this respect, the way in which the Palestinians
have been treated since the Oslo process was even worse than before. What the
Oslo process did by dividing the West Bank into segments was that it created a
new way of running the occupation in which for the first time pass laws were
introduced to control movement from one part to another. This begins to look
like South Africa, and in my view there is a great deal in common with the
apartheid regime and its pass laws. There is no question that there is a high
degree of racial discrimination in Israel, and that the occupation of Gaza, the
West Bank and east Jerusalem was based on very colonial notions of &amp;quot;the other&amp;quot;.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
After that came
a new stage in this process thanks to a conscious policy by the Ariel Sharon
government - &amp;quot;politicide&amp;quot;, as Baruch Kimmerling has called it: that is, the
attempt to undermine and destroy the Palestinian Authority as a legitimate
representative of the people, and as an organiser. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Sharon was one
of the first Israeli leaders to recognise that having signed the agreement in
1995, a &lt;em&gt;de facto&lt;/em&gt; Palestinian state
was being created. He knew very well that the way the Israeli state was created
in the 1920s had little to do with what the early Zionist movement wanted, but
nevertheless, the movement took the opportunity to set up institutions which
might slowly grow into something else in time. From the early Jewish Agency you
create a &lt;em&gt;Knesset&lt;/em&gt;, an assembly, and an
executive; you begin to create the &lt;em&gt;Histadrut
&lt;/em&gt;(trade-union organisation), and then a defence force. By 1947, you had in
fact created the basic institutions of a new state. This process is quite
well-known in Zionist history. I think this is what Sharon feared would emerge
from the Palestinian Authority. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The good thing
about the Palestinian Authority, as Sharon saw it, was that it was pretty
miniscule. But the downside was that it was being created at all. Part of his
policy was directed at weakening this state-building. He very successfully set
about creating chaos in the occupied territories. In September 2000, when the
second &lt;em&gt;intifada&lt;/em&gt; began, the Israelis&amp;#39;
first response was to destroy every police station in Palestine with F-16s.
That meant not just destroying the ability of the police to organise themselves,
but destroying fiscal records, prison records, and prisons themselves. The
Israelis then prevented any rearming, at a time when there were a lot of arms
in the possession of Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Here was an apparent
contradiction in Sharon&amp;#39;s policy. How was the Palestinian Authority to crack
down on the terrorists if it didn&amp;#39;t have the means to do so?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;A new recognition&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Rosemary Bechler&lt;/strong&gt;: What is the way forward in legal terms? Is
there a need for &amp;quot;truth and reconciliation process&amp;quot; to be set in place?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;John Strawson&lt;/strong&gt;: Idealised notions of justice are highly
problematic. Most demands for justice turn out to mean justice for one side or
the other, which traps the debate in a binary opposition. We have to be more
modest, and look at the world as it is. It has not been set up for justice. It
is one of the great myths to say otherwise.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
If law was based
on justice, we would be doing something quite different. Why else would we have
to change the legislation on slavery, racism, or equal pay? Obviously law is
built on injustice. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
So, all you can
do is begin developing a process relevant to everyone. This is where the
truth-and-reconciliation procedure is relevant to Palestine. In one sense, the
attempt to create it in this generation will inevitably fail: no one will sit
next to the person who sent the fatal letter-bomb to her mother and listen
through all the stages of the hearing until a decision is reached, as (in South
Africa) Gillian Slovo had to do. During this long moment, what dominates is the
state of &amp;quot;the injustice of it all&amp;quot;.  
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Nevertheless,
there is an urgent need to move away from the legal narratives on both sides
that aspire to the property of &amp;quot;total correctness&amp;quot;. The problem is not that the
two sides of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are so different, but that they
are the same - or at least, works exactly the same way on both sides. about the
same things. The retaliatory argument; not accepting responsibility for events
or decisions; ascribing all blame to the other - the parallels are striking.  
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
One of the
challenges is to move beyond this kind of discourse by evolving what might be
called  &amp;quot;relational histories&amp;quot;. This is
only recently starting to become possible. What has existed hitherto on either
side is both sectarian and essentialist. So Zionism is &amp;quot;essentially&amp;quot;
militaristic, or expansionist or racist; or the Palestinians are &amp;quot;essentially&amp;quot;
violent, irridentist and liars to boot. There is very little in between these
two accounts. What I hope might begin to take place is some kind of contract
between academics, to evolve a more relational history. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The assumption
that it is very important to allocate legal responsibility is also a very big
problem for the left. There are profound difficulties with a legalistic concept
of justice. I share the huge sense of frustration about what the Israeli
government is doing to the Palestinians. But so do many Israelis: including
prominent journalists, academics and human-rights activists as well as everyday
citizens. Both Palestine and Israel are far more pluralistic than outsiders
often imagine. Moreover, as in all societies, it is very important to make a
distinction between the people and the government. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This is why I
like reading Edward Said. He is inconsistent. He jumps about and mixes things together
and asset-strips from different theorists in ways which they would not
recognise. In the 1960s and 1970s, he began writing about the middle east from
a rather traditional Palestinian and pan-Arabist perspective; gradually, as he
gets into the subject more he becomes more aware, that in his perspective from
the United States, with Jews as colleagues for example, everything is far more
complex. From the 1980s he writes constantly about how the Palestinians are
going to have to come to a reckoning with the fact that Israel exists and is
not going to go away. In a sense therefore the question is no longer, justice.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
A new generation
will always be able to look at familiar realities in a different way. This is
as true of the middle east as anywhere. The Palestinians living in the refugee
camps in Lebanon who were born and brought up many years after 1948 are never
going to go to that house in the village that they have a picture of, or open
the door in Haifa with that key. That will not take place. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
What then are we
achieving when we &amp;quot;resolve conflicts&amp;quot;? I remember being on a visit to
Johannesburg during that historic period in South Africa, watching on
television a scene where Nelson Mandela was voting. I suddenly realised how
&amp;quot;banal&amp;quot; the whole thing was. All this struggle, all those deaths and horror so
that people could go and vote! It wasn&amp;#39;t ending in a great revolutionary drama
but in people queuing up and voting. What came after was always going to be
very messy; social apartheid and economic problems still exist; it will take a
hugely long time for the fundamentals of life qualitatively to improve. But
what an achievement!
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
When Hamas won
the Palestinian legislative elections in January 2006, the international
community imposed a financial boycott on the Palestinian Authority on the
grounds that it was run by terrorists. This policy could not have been more
calculated to undermine attempts to build the rule of law in Palestine. While
Hamas has carried out lethal, immoral and illegal attacks against Israeli
civilians it is too simplistic to depict the organisation as just a &amp;quot;terrorist&amp;quot;
one. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The Hamas
electoral alliance won the elections because it campaigned on a programme of
clean and efficient government. It did not ask the electors to support terrorism
or violence. It won because most of its activities since it was founded in the
late 1980s have been political campaigning, social projects and religious
education. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Hamas is a
complex movement, and its victory did not turn the 135,000 employees of the
authority into terrorists. Yet it is the salaries of civil servants, teachers
and the police that went unpaid as a result of the international boycott. This
squeeze on Palestine has just increased the trends - the Mecca agreement, the
Annapolis conference, the Paris donors&amp;#39; deal, and the agreement of Ehud Olmert
and Mahmoud Abbas to negotiate notwithstanding - towards corruption, organised
crime and political extremism. It also gives the impression that support for
democracy in its supposed western heartlands is just skin-deep - and that the
Palestinians voted for the &amp;quot;wrong&amp;quot; side. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The way forward
is for the international community to support the plan for a Palestinian state
in the occupied territories and for a mutually agreed just solution to the
refugee question. However, that means engaging with the main Palestinian
political forces, not trying to isolate them. The current Gaza crisis makes
this choice clearer than ever.
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