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&lt;strong&gt;bitterlemons&lt;/strong&gt;: How has the border breach affected the
situation on the ground in Gaza?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;span class=&quot;pullquote_new&quot;&gt;Eyad Sarraj is a founder and director of the
Gaza Community Mental Health Programme (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gcmhp.net/&quot;&gt;GCMHP&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also by Eyad Sarraj in &lt;strong&gt;openDemocracy&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/1046&quot;&gt;Dear Tony Blair, justice please&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (14 March 2003)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflict-debate_97/gaza_campaign_4091.jsp&quot;&gt;The campaign that should never
stop&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (13 November
2006)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This article was first published in the
independent website &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bitterlemons.org/&quot;&gt;BitterLemons.org&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/span&gt; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Eyad
Sarraj&lt;/strong&gt;: Well, most
people are not in Gaza at the moment. Some say that almost 700,000 people have
been traveling in and out of Egypt. Gaza is flooded with the things that Israel
did not allow us to have before and people are swarming to the markets to buy
computers, cement, lamps, oil, fuel and even windows. When Israel bombed the
deserted Palestinian interior ministry (on 18 January 2008), all the windows in
the &lt;a href=&quot;http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7CD57FC2-AC0F-4A59-8E38-E478BA232B0C.htm&quot;&gt;surrounding&lt;/a&gt; buildings were shattered. With no windows
allowed in from Israel, they could not replace them before, but now there are
new windows in place.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Everything is available in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7B26B291-676A-4AE4-971C-7BD45F9C4356.htm?FRAMELESS=true&amp;amp;NRNODEGUID=%257b7B26B291-676A-4AE4-971C-7BD45F9C4356%257d&quot;&gt;market&lt;/a&gt; now. From forty &lt;a href=&quot;http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jYyZnsP4KA3jbjQaQ6S178jdvThA&quot;&gt;NIS&lt;/a&gt; ($10.8) a packet, cigarettes are now down to
six. There is chocolate for the children. People are almost euphoric since they
can get out of the prison, even if it is only for a short respite. People go to
El-Arish for a picnic, eat fish there and spend a couple of hours. Families
sometimes go for the day and come back at night. Gaza is quite a dynamic place
now.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;bitterlemons&lt;/strong&gt;: Some see this border &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=IA02QSSFZB2DTQFIQMFSFFWAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/news/2008/01/23/wgaza423.xml&quot;&gt;breach&lt;/a&gt; as a major coup by Hamas. Is that how you
read the situation?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Eyad
Sarraj&lt;/strong&gt;: I think
whether Hamas planned it or not, the movement was instrumental in what
happened. Hamas has now again proved that it is a power to be reckoned with and
that if you want to talk about rockets, about (captured Israeli soldier, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,251-2248285,00.html&quot;&gt;Gilad Shalit&lt;/a&gt;, about the crossings or relations with Egypt,
then you have to talk with Hamas.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;bitterlemons&lt;/strong&gt;: How is this affecting Hamas&amp;#39;s popular
standing?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;pullquote_new&quot;&gt;
Among &lt;strong&gt;openDemocracy&amp;#39;s
&lt;/strong&gt;articles on Gaza, Hamas, and the Israel-Palestine conflict:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Eóin Murray, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflict-debate_97/politics_hamas_3223.jsp&quot;&gt;After Hamas: a time for politics&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (30 January 2006)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
David Mepham, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflict-debate_97/hamas_reform_3229.jsp&quot;&gt;Hamas and political reform in the
middle east&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (1 February
2006)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Jim Lederman, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflict-debate_97/why_hamas_won_3250.jsp&quot;&gt;Why Hamas won&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (8 February 2006)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Guy Grossman, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflict-debate_97/gaza_motives_3702.jsp&quot;&gt;Israel&amp;#39;s Gaza assault: the real
motives&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (2 July 2006)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Khaled Hroub, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflict-middle_east_politics/hamas_3982.jsp&quot;&gt;Hamas&amp;#39;s path to reinvention&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (9 October 2006)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Eóin Murray, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflict-debate_97/alan_johnston_4552.jsp&quot;&gt;Alan Johnston: a reporter in Gaza&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (22 April 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mient Jan Faber &amp;amp; Mary Kaldor, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflict-debate_97/report_gaza_4632.jsp&quot;&gt;Palestine&amp;#39;s human insecurity: a
Gaza report&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (20 May 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Fred Halliday, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/19649&quot;&gt;Palestinians and Israelis: a political impasse&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (5 June 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Rosemary
Bechler, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflict-debate_97/under_siege_4679.jsp&quot;&gt;Palestinians under siege in the
West Bank&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (6 June 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Ghassan Khatib, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflicts/israel_palestine/hamas_shortsighted_manoeuvre&quot;&gt;Hamas&amp;#39;s shortsighted manoeuvre&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (18 June 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Fred Halliday, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflicts/middle_east/lebanon_gaza_iraq_three_crises&quot;&gt;Lebanon, Gaza, Iraq: three
crises&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (22 June 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Ghassan Khatib, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/conflicts/israel_palestine/political_solution&quot;&gt;Palestinian political rights: a
common-sense solution&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (27
September 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Volker Perthes, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/conflicts/israel_palestine/europe_beyond_peace&quot;&gt;Beyond peace: Israel, the Arab
world, and Europe&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (22 January
2008)
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Eyad
Sarraj&lt;/strong&gt;: Hamas lost
some of its popularity after the killing of a number of people during the Fatah
anniversary &lt;a href=&quot;http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/A28EC1F5-0491-43A6-B597-B4B04E9FF0E0.htm&quot;&gt;demonstrations&lt;/a&gt; (in December 2007), as well as certain abuses
of human rights. But Hamas has become an example for Palestinians generally,
because it suffers no corruption and there is a sense of security in Gaza that
was never there before. Finally, people identify with Hamas as a victim of the
Israeli &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/22/wgaza222.xml&quot;&gt;blockade&lt;/a&gt;. So, while it is a mixed picture on the
whole, Hamas has emerged stronger.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;bitterlemons&lt;/strong&gt;: Is there not a possibility that the current
situation will lead to Egypt having to take more responsibility for Gaza and
Israel taking less?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Eyad
Sarraj&lt;/strong&gt;: Of course.
There is a definite Israeli plan to return the situation to that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html&quot;&gt;prior&lt;/a&gt; to the 1967 war, when Gaza was controlled by Egypt. If this happens,
it will help Israel to concentrate on the West Bank and gradually bring the
situation there back to pre-1967. It is not that simple of course. There are
security risks for both Israel and Egypt in doing so. These two powerful
parties now have to find a compromise, and they have to take account of the
fact that Hamas is in control.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;bitterlemons&lt;/strong&gt;: Can Egypt afford, politically, to &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-01/28/content_7513112.htm&quot;&gt;close&lt;/a&gt; the border?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Eyad
Sarraj&lt;/strong&gt;: I think it is
very difficult because doing so risks an uprising in Cairo. The Muslim
Brotherhood is very &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-egypt29jan29,1,5424900.story?track=crosspromo&amp;amp;ctrack=2&amp;amp;cset=true&quot;&gt;strong&lt;/a&gt; there. However, Egypt also needs to consider
its own security. Egypt doesn&amp;#39;t want Palestinian fundamentalist groups to forge
links with the bedouin in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://go.hrw.com/atlas/norm_htm/egypt.htm&quot;&gt;Sinai&lt;/a&gt;, because together they can become a real &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/KKAA-7BB4NH?OpenDocument&amp;amp;rc=3&amp;amp;cc=pse&quot;&gt;headache&lt;/a&gt; for Egyptian security and also give Israel a
pretext to take direct action in the Sinai.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;bitterlemons&lt;/strong&gt;: Is the Israeli position not equally
difficult?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Eyad
Sarraj&lt;/strong&gt;: The problem
for Israel is the potential security risk and I think Israel will have to come
to terms with the fact that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.plutobooks.com/cgi-local/nplutobrows.pl?chkisbn=9780745325903&amp;amp;main&quot;&gt;Hamas&lt;/a&gt; is here to stay and that it has to deal with
the movement, maybe through Egypt. I doubt Israel will, but maybe it can forge
a deal to at least have a ceasefire.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;bitterlemons&lt;/strong&gt;: Does this include the rocket fire?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Eyad
Sarraj&lt;/strong&gt;: If you sit
with Hamas and recognise that Hamas is a major player in the game, the question
of the rockets can be resolved. But if you don&amp;#39;t, and continue to isolate the
movement, the rockets will continue. There is no popular movement against the
firing of rockets. How can people oppose this kind of resistance, if there is
no hope of ending the occupation? Israel &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/944967.html&quot;&gt;perpetrated&lt;/a&gt; a massacre (on 15 January 2008) in which nineteen people, including
(Hamas leader) Mahmoud Zahar&amp;#39;s son, were &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3191814.ece&quot;&gt;killed&lt;/a&gt;. People cheer rockets against Israel and will
continue to do so until there is hope that Israel will end the occupation and
give Palestinians back their land, their rights and their freedom.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;bitterlemons&lt;/strong&gt;: What are the chances of some kind of
Palestinian reconciliation?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Eyad
Sarraj&lt;/strong&gt;: Very &lt;a href=&quot;http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKKIM84898720080128&quot;&gt;remote&lt;/a&gt;. Even if Palestinians want reconciliation, I
think there is strong American resistance to the idea of any dialogue with
Hamas. Only if there were leaders of courage and wisdom on both sides and real
belief that unity alone would help the Palestinian cause, would reconciliation
be possible.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
We have to consider that the real player in
the game today is the fundamentalist regime in America and I don&amp;#39;t think this
border situation will persuade the United States to talk to Hamas. Europeans,
as far as I can see, are &lt;a href=&quot;/article/conflicts/israel_palestine/europe_beyond_peace&quot;&gt;willing&lt;/a&gt; to talk to Hamas as the major power here, but
the Americans will not yield. Perhaps the US will even pressure the Egyptians
to close the border or perhaps Washington will simply collude with Israel to
continue the siege so people will continue to flood the Sinai.
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