<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<rss version="2.0" xml:base="http://www.opendemocracy.net" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">
<channel>
 <title>open Democracy News Analysis - Israel after Lebanon: warning siren, deaf ears, Thomas O&amp;#039;Dwyer  - Comments</title>
 <link>http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/conflict/middle_east/winograd_warning</link>
 <description>Comments for &quot;Israel after Lebanon: warning siren, deaf ears, Thomas O&#039;Dwyer &quot;</description>
 <language>en</language>
<item>
 <title>Michael T Sager on &quot;Israel after Lebanon: warning siren, deaf ears&quot;</title>
 <link>http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/conflict/middle_east/winograd_warning#comment-439847</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;This is, IMHO, a misreading of the the public mood and the political response. (I live in Israel)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The conclusion that most people I have discussed this with hold is that the major error of the 2nd Lebanese war was that Israel entered it too quickly and without an exit strategy. History shows that Israel does not always succeed at first, but its ability to maintain its existence against implacable hostility from its neighbours derives from its ability to learn.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Israel may not have achieved over ambitious goals (to destroy Hizbullah) but by any conventional reading of history and warfare it did not lose. It destroyed strong Hizbullah fortifications next to the border, killed a large number of Hizbullah fighting forces, and was pushing them back to the Litani river when the war ended. That Hizbullah has subsequently been able to restore itself it a direct result of the UN and the real Lebananese government&#039;s moral and physical weakness to resist.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The author seem to imply that Israel is looking for a war to win to restore its credibility. Quite the contrary: Hizbullah and its patrons are well aware (but do not say so to their public) that it would do no good to invite another war.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In fact, Hizbullah have a serious strategic dilemma. They have refrained from terror on a global stage, and do not want another war. How do they retain their credibility in the face of the recent assassination? In fact, what is their real objective - to take over Lebanon or destroy Israel? And how do they achieve it?&lt;/p&gt;
</description>
 <pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Michael T Sager</dc:creator>
 <guid isPermaLink="false">comment 439847 at http://www.opendemocracy.net</guid>
</item>
<item>
 <title>Israel after Lebanon: warning siren, deaf ears, Thomas O&#039;Dwyer </title>
 <link>http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/conflict/middle_east/winograd_warning</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;
These are strange political times in Israel.
This became clear to me on the day the official commission of inquiry into
Israel&amp;#39;s disastrous Lebanon war of July-August 2006 issued its report. It
became the main topic of conversation in many unlikely places, including a
reception for the opening of an Irish film festival in Tel Aviv attended by
Ruth Dayan, the widow of the late General Moshe Dayan, the legendary hero of
the six-day war of 1967. When I asked her if she thought the report would bring
down the government, she replied: &amp;quot;I hope not. Who wants an election now? Let
(prime minister Ehud) Olmert stay - if he goes, we will get something worse.&amp;quot;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;span class=&quot;pullquote_new&quot;&gt;Thomas O&amp;#39;Dwyer is a country risk consultant,
journalist and broadcaster who has lived in the middle east for twenty years.
He has been a Reuters bureau chief, foreign editor of the &lt;em&gt;Jerusalem Post&lt;/em&gt;, and a columnist with the &lt;em&gt;International Herald Tribune&amp;#39;s&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;Ha&amp;#39;aretz&lt;/em&gt;
newspaper&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also by Thomas O&amp;#39;Dwyer in &lt;strong&gt;openDemocracy&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflict-debate_97/kadima_3394.jsp&quot;&gt;Slouching towards Kadima&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (27 March 2006)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflict-debate_97/hizbollah_3739.jsp&quot;&gt;Did Hizbollah miscalculate? The
view from Israel&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;
(14 July 2006)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/conflict-debate_97/winograd_report_4577.jsp&quot;&gt;Israel&amp;#39;s post-heroic disaster&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (30 April 2007)&lt;/span&gt;The Dayan family is regarded as a prominent
part of Israel&amp;#39;s old aristocracy of the left; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.knesset.gov.il/mk/eng/mk_eng.asp?mk_individual_id_t=3&quot;&gt;Ehud Olmert&lt;/a&gt;, leader of the Kadima party, is a long-time
stalwart of the right. This should have been a startling comment to hear from
the likes of Ruth Dayan. But in these days of political angst and uncertainty
in Israel, old attitudes are no longer a reliable guide to current political
judgments.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The report from the Winograd commission (named
after its head, retired judge Eliyahu Winograd, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gsrqmYmK-luGDWiJWUKCjM9WEmPQ&quot;&gt;released&lt;/a&gt; on 30 January
2008) may not exactly have seen the Israeli peace camp rallying to the support
of Olmert (a man its members once roundly despised); but it has been shining a
strobe-light on some classically wayward establishment gyrations that illuminate unexpected shifts in Israel&amp;#39;s political landscape. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Protect
and survive&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The document had had a strange journey to the
light, in that this was the second, definitive (and much delayed) inquest on
the planning and execution of Israel&amp;#39;s bungled war; it followed an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/854051.html&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;&amp;quot;interim&amp;quot;
report&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
published in April 2007. That first report provided the hard evidence to
validate the shock the Israeli public had felt as the war itself unfolded. In
brief, Winograd comprehensively pinned guilt on the entire national
establishment: the Israeli army was not ready for a war; prime minister Ehud
Olmert had acted hastily in leading the country into war without a plan; the
whole thing had been &amp;quot;a severe failure in lack of judgment, responsibility
and caution.&amp;quot;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Yet despite media and public clamour for heads
to roll, the political and military leadership survived. There had been and
were resignations - of chief-of-staff &lt;a href=&quot;http://chief-of-staff%20dan%20halutz/&quot;&gt;Dan Halutz&lt;/a&gt; in January 2007, labour minister &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3394148,00.html&quot;&gt;Eitan Cabel&lt;/a&gt;, defence minister &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3501053,00.html&quot;&gt;Amir Peretz&lt;/a&gt; (though
the first and last of these had less weight than might appear, since both wanted to go anyway).
Olmert and his cabinet stayed on, based mainly on the excuse that they would
not leap to conclusions before &amp;quot;the full Winograd report&amp;quot; was published -
supposedly three months later, i.e. by July 2007, a year after the war. In the
meantime, Olmert&amp;#39;s poll ratings slipped to single digits and 70% of the public
wanted him to resign.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
In the event the three months stretched
into twenty-two. During this long interval, some fancy political and legal
footwork has apparently been going on. Much of this surrounded the petition
presented to Israel&amp;#39;s high court of justice after &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.idi.org.il/english/article.asp?id=26042007090945&quot;&gt;part one&lt;/a&gt; was published, to
stop the Winograd commission from recommending in its full report the dismissal
of individuals held responsible for the conduct of the bungled war. The aim of
the petition, which the commission subsequently honoured, was to protect senior
officers from unjust condemnation. But it also had the fortuitous effect for
the politicians of sparing them too from harsh personal criticism and
recommendations for early retirement.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This became clear in the days following the
full report&amp;#39;s release, when earlier speculation that it could precipitate the
fall of the government quickly dissolved. Olmert&amp;#39;s close aides bizarrely
reported that he had been &amp;quot;moved to tears&amp;quot; while reading the chapters dealing
with a disastrous ground operation during the war because, as he said himself,
the report &amp;quot;lifted the moral stigma from me.&amp;quot; The prime minister had already
adjusted his patchwork coalition cabinet following the departure of the small
nationalist  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtElection.jhtml?itemNo=243392&amp;amp;contrassID=2&amp;amp;subContrassID=5&amp;amp;sbSubContrassID=0&amp;amp;listSrc=Y&quot;&gt;Yisrael Beiteinu&lt;/a&gt; party in protest at renewed Israeli talks
with the Palestinian Authority.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
That left Israelis to turn their gaze towards
defence minister &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3418778,00.html&quot;&gt;Ehud Barak&lt;/a&gt; and his five Labour Party cabinet colleagues - the
linchpin of the governing coalition. At the time of primary elections in the party in
2007, Barak had said he would resign if the second Winograd report was damning.
The report&amp;#39;s harsh conclusions left Barak in territory familiar to politicians
- between the devil and the deep sea. He could either break his pledge and
suffer the scorn, or keep it and suffer an early election.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Here the element of political fluidity with
which I began came into operation: just as the support of Israel&amp;#39;s leftwing
establishment helped to seal Olmert&amp;#39;s survival, so Olmert&amp;#39;s Kadima closed ranks
behind Barak at his moment of difficulty and voiced praise of his performance
as the minister responsible for rebuilding the morale and efficiency of the
army since the war.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Blame
and shame&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Ehud Olmert has survived, and support for him
has risen from its lowest point. But an opinion-poll published on 1 February
showed 53% of respondents demanding his resignation, with 36% also supporting
Barak&amp;#39;s departure. &amp;quot;Barak and Olmert have become Siamese twins&amp;quot;, wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/949739.html&quot;&gt;Yossi
Verter&lt;/a&gt; in &lt;em&gt;Ha&lt;/em&gt;&amp;#39;&lt;em&gt;aretz&lt;/em&gt;. &amp;quot;The public believes both are individually ill-suited to be
prime minister.&amp;quot;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
There was, however, the issue of &amp;quot;worse to
come&amp;quot; if Olmert resigned, which Ruth Dayan had hinted at. It even has a name -
Binyamin &amp;quot;Bibi&amp;quot; Netanyahu, the remorselessly ambitious former prime minister
and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3482383,00.html&quot;&gt;leader&lt;/a&gt; of the rightwing Likud. In these circumstances most commentators
agreed that Barak had little choice but to eat his resignation promise and stay
on with Olmert.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The continuing turmoil in Hamas-run Gaza and
no end to the rain of Palestinian rockets being fired into southern Israel
encourage the surge of support for the political right. If reflected in an
election result it would deliver a right-dominated &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.knesset.gov.il/history/eng/eng_hist.htm&quot;&gt;Knesset&lt;/a&gt;, probably with Bibi Netanyahu as prime
minister. This is a scenario as unpalatable to Olmert and Kadima as it is to
Barak and Labour.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
But the right has its own concerns. The sudden
revival of interest in a middle-east settlement by a George W Bush
administration in search of a legacy has caused alarm about the possibility of
a renewed push to reach a two-state settlement with the Palestinians, something
it mightily opposes.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Likud pounced on Winograd. &amp;quot;It&amp;#39;s a resounding
indictment, an earthquake for the government&amp;quot;, said Silvan Shalom, Netanyahu&amp;#39;s
party rival (and even further to the right), yet on this occasion echoing his
leader. Kadima&amp;#39;s response was to brand &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.knesset.gov.il/mk/eng/mk_eng.asp?mk_individual_id_t=90&quot;&gt;Netanyahu&lt;/a&gt; as opportunistic and to accuse the right of
character assassination against Olmert.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
So the politicians have settled into their
familiar snarling contests, leaving the Israeli public without any sense of
direction. Most citizens, it seems, have as much interest in reading Winograd
part two as they did part one - which is none at all. But the Winograd panel
itself offered a refreshing challenge to this atmosphere of recrimination and
disconnection, in the way that it took an intensely keen interest in the role
of the public in steering the country&amp;#39;s destiny.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;The
next round&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Winograd ignored calls from the media to
declare all Israel&amp;#39;s leaders scoundrels who should be sent home, and asserted
instead that the time had come to stop placing all responsibility, in all
spheres of life, on the government, the army and the judiciary. The &lt;a href=&quot;/conflict-middle_east_politics/hizbollah_victory_3809.jsp&quot;&gt;failures&lt;/a&gt; of the government and the army in the Lebanon
war were also the failures of a public that is shirking its responsibility, the
report stated.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
It obliquely addressed the contradiction that
voters who declare to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/29775/after_winograd_report_israelis_want_olmert_out&quot;&gt;opinion-polls&lt;/a&gt; that ministers and generals should
pay the price of incompetence continue to elect the very people they despise.
This public seems to expect committees like Winograd to wield the knife.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
But if Winograd has identified a problem, it
can&amp;#39;t offer a solution. There is no sign that the cycles of Israeli political
life will be broken. The familiar pattern is reflected too in rumblings about
the consequences of the continuing Hamas rocket-attacks on Israel. The Israeli
defence forces failed to dislodge &lt;a href=&quot;/globalization/hizbollah_3757.jsp&quot;&gt;Hizbollah&lt;/a&gt; from south Lebanon; if they act on
a belief that they might do better in dislodging Hamas from control of the Gaza
strip, another circle will be complete. After Winograd, Olmert and the army
duly promised &amp;quot;to internalise the lessons learned&amp;quot;. Can this mean that having
failed in the last war, they need another one so they can get it right?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The veteran Israeli commentator &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/954061.html&quot;&gt;Ari Shavit
&lt;/a&gt;expresses it best. He was deeply disturbed by Winograd part two, and delivered a melancholy analysis on the day it was published: &amp;quot;Eliyahu Winograd has written
a requiem. About a state that... can&amp;#39;t decide how to wage the war. A state
that doesn&amp;#39;t hold a proper discussion about going to war... Israel is again
choosing to deceive itself. Quiet in the north, peace within a year,
unprecedented prosperity. Indeed, the second Lebanon war ended tonight [with
this report]. But it ended with a warning siren, not an all-clear. It&amp;#39;s the
Winograd warning signal that hardly anyone will hear.&amp;quot; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;rating-item&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;rating&quot; id=&quot;rating_mean_35802&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;rating-intro&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;rating-intro-text&quot;&gt;Average rating&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;star avg on&quot;&gt;&lt;a style=&quot;width: 100%;&quot; onclick=&quot;return false;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;star avg on&quot;&gt;&lt;a style=&quot;width: 100%;&quot; onclick=&quot;return false;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;star avg on&quot;&gt;&lt;a style=&quot;width: 100%;&quot; onclick=&quot;return false;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;star avg on&quot;&gt;&lt;a style=&quot;width: 100%;&quot; onclick=&quot;return false;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;star avg&quot;&gt;&lt;a style=&quot;width: 100%;&quot; onclick=&quot;return false;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;num-votes&quot;&gt;(&lt;span id=&quot;rating_num_votes_35802&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt; votes)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;form action=&quot;/crss/node/35802&quot;  method=&quot;post&quot; id=&quot;rating_form_35802&quot; class=&quot;rating&quot; title=&quot;Rating: 5.0&quot;&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;form-item&quot;&gt;
 &lt;label for=&quot;rating_options_35802&quot;&gt;Rate this: &lt;/label&gt;
 &lt;select name=&quot;edit[rating]&quot; class=&quot;form-select rating-options&quot; title=&quot;Rate this&quot; id=&quot;rating_options_35802&quot; &gt;&lt;option value=&quot;0&quot;&gt;---&lt;/option&gt;&lt;option value=&quot;100&quot; selected=&quot;selected&quot;&gt;Excellent!&lt;/option&gt;&lt;option value=&quot;80&quot;&gt;Great!&lt;/option&gt;&lt;option value=&quot;60&quot;&gt;Good&lt;/option&gt;&lt;option value=&quot;40&quot;&gt;Quite good&lt;/option&gt;&lt;option value=&quot;20&quot;&gt;Not so great&lt;/option&gt;&lt;/select&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;input type=&quot;hidden&quot; name=&quot;edit[nid]&quot; id=&quot;edit-nid&quot; value=&quot;35802&quot;  /&gt;
&lt;input type=&quot;submit&quot; name=&quot;op&quot; value=&quot;Submit&quot;  class=&quot;form-submit&quot; /&gt;
&lt;input type=&quot;hidden&quot; name=&quot;edit[form_id]&quot; id=&quot;edit-rating-form-35802&quot; value=&quot;rating_form_35802&quot;  /&gt;

&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/form&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;</description>
 <comments>http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/conflict/middle_east/winograd_warning#comment</comments>
 <category domain="http://www.opendemocracy.net/conflicts/index.jsp">conflicts</category>
 <category domain="http://www.opendemocracy.net/taxonomy/term/51">Creative Commons normal</category>
 <category domain="http://www.opendemocracy.net/conflict-middle_east_politics/debate.jsp">the middle east</category>
 <category domain="http://www.opendemocracy.net/taxonomy/term/2083">Thomas O&amp;#039;Dwyer</category>
 <pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>opendemocracy</dc:creator>
 <guid isPermaLink="false">35802 at http://www.opendemocracy.net</guid>
</item>
</channel>
</rss>
