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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Paul Rogers has done a very kind act. He has given a voice and a face to the vitims of the stupid and inhuman&#039;war on terror&#039;. The world needs someone like him to articulate the truth. Keep up the good work.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Paul Rogers has very usefully gathered facts.&lt;br /&gt;
The destruction of Afghanistan &amp;amp; its occupation by foreigners, the destructuin of Iraq &amp;amp; its occupation by foreigners, are matters beyond the capacity of the U.S. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And one need only compare  the fanfare &amp;amp; red carpet treatment of the Irani president with the creeps like the Pres of the US &amp;amp; the PM of the UK making furtive, unannounced  &amp;amp; hasty &quot;visits&quot; to  see who has the edge in these  war games.      &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It seems, &amp;amp; is heartening that both the US &amp;amp; UK electorates know what is happening no matter how hard the &quot;official&quot; propaganda continues the tactics of such as the discredited &quot;Downing Street dossier&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for the Pakistani electorate, why they are euphoric at having their renaissance, returning to the path laid down by their main Founding Father, M. A. Jinnah, who said on 11th August, 1947: &quot;You are Free. You are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques. You are free to belong to any caste or creed. That is no business of the State.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;
Just a few things I would like to share:&lt;br /&gt;
An election to watch today, 8 March. Former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert&amp;#39;s congressional seat is up for grabs today. If this heavily Republican district goes Democratic it could signal a landslide Dem win in November. 
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&lt;strong&gt;http://tinyurl.com/2sbb3x&lt;/strong&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Prof Alterman is a brave man. He writes of the real problem Washington has.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;(Some) Jews Against Obama&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080324/alterman&lt;br /&gt;
For the first time since the &amp;quot;War on Terror&amp;quot; has been declared whispers of violence by anti-war groups have been heard. This was published before the bicycle bomber in Times Square, NYC.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rick-perlstein/some-apocalyptic-observat_b_90096.html
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Excellent article!  However, your impact here in the US will be minimal as long as Americans fail to grasp why the US is fighting &#039;the war on terror&#039; on so many fronts.  The British public believed they were carrying the white man&#039;s burden while their government actively supported mercantilism, the opium  trade, and military adventures in gold and diamond rich southern Africa.  I fear the American empire will go broke before the US public grasps the significance of oil, asymmetrical trade agreements, the military-industrial complex and the folly of attempting to democratize countries with insufficient public and physical infrastructure.&lt;/p&gt;
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The frenzy of the presidential election season
in the United States means
that the wars in Afghanistan,
Pakistan and Iraq are
getting little coverage in the local media. But much is happening on the ground
in these countries - and elsewhere - that will help shape the agenda of the new
incumbent in the White House in January 2009. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Afghanistan&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;failures&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The Taliban regime in Kabul was overthrown in November 2001. More
than six years on, the government of Hamid Karzai controls barely 30% of the
country (according to the United
States director of national intelligence, Michael
McConnell). Most of the country is in the hands of warlords and other local
leaders, with a tenth under the sway of the Taliban. In 2007, political
violence killed more than 6,500 people in Afghanistan, the highest annual total
since the invasion of October 2001 (see Pamela Hess, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iw27CpAqWV2_KWcV9qvMvGdY1nOAD8V2PG4O0&quot;&gt;Karzai Controls a Third of
Afghanistan&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;,
AP, 27 February 2008). The number includes 480 civilians killed by militants
and 360 killed by US or Nato forces (many of the latter in air strikes). 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;pullquote_new&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Paul Rogers &lt;/strong&gt;is professor of peace studies at Bradford University,
northern England.
He has been writing a weekly &lt;a href=&quot;/author/Paul_Rogers.jsp&quot;&gt;column&lt;/a&gt; on global security on &lt;strong&gt;openDemocracy&lt;/strong&gt; since 26 September 2001
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Both the frequency and the sophistication of
insurgent bomb attacks have also increased. There is a notable tendency to use
modern high explosives such as C4, in a method of operation learned by
militants in Iraq and then
brought to Afghanistan
(see Jason Straziuso, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2008/02/22/afghan_insurgents_step_up_attacks_with_more_lethal_bombs/&quot;&gt;Afghan Insurgents Step Up
Attacks With More Lethal Bombs&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;, &lt;em&gt;Boston
Globe&lt;/em&gt;, 22 February 2008). This trend confirms the fear of many analysts in
the past five years that Iraq
has become a &lt;em&gt;jihadist&lt;/em&gt; combat-training
zone, producing a new generation of younger paramilitaries who have gained
experience against well-equipped US troops in an urban environment.
The al-Qaida movement gains far more benefit from this experience than did its
Islamist predecessors from the &lt;em&gt;mujahideen&lt;/em&gt;
who fought against poorly motivated Soviet troops in Afghanistan in the 1980s. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Taliban militias have also been aided by a
boom in opium-poppy cultivation (the area under cultivation rose by 17% in
2007). Afghanistan now
supplies 93% of the world total, the bulk of it grown in Helmand
and other southern provinces that are most under the influence of the Taliban
(see Anne Gearan, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0301drugs0301.html&quot;&gt;US Clout in Afghanistan Slips&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;, AP, 2 March 2008). The output of
opium, heroin and morphine is fuelling drug-related offences in Afghanistan&amp;#39;s
neighbours: Iran alone has 1.3 million opiate users (compared with 3.8 million
for the whole of Europe); drug abuse in Iraq has risen markedly; there are
spillover effects in Pakistan and substantial increases in drugs seizures in
Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and other central-Asian states (see Stephen Fidler,
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/cdc37bde-ea19-11dc-b3c9-0000779fd2ac.html&quot;&gt;UN Alarm at Spread of Afghan
Opium&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;, &lt;em&gt;Financial Times&lt;/em&gt;, 5 March 2008). 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Pakistan&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;
worries&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The deteriorating situation in Afghanistan is leading United States military planners to focus more on
western Pakistan,
parts of which have become virtually free zones for Taliban and other militias.
The Pentagon is anxious to step up training for the Pakistani army, a plan
rendered problematic by the unsettled political situation in the country in the
context of the &lt;a href=&quot;/article/conflicts/india_pakistan/after_pakistans_election&quot;&gt;election&lt;/a&gt; of 18 February 2008. Even more controversial
within Pakistan,
however, is the ability of US government agencies to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2008/03/the-us-militarys-assassination-problem.html&quot;&gt;operate&lt;/a&gt; their own combat-units there. A striking
extension of this military freedom is the deployment of armed Predator drones,
which have been used on at least two occasions to target presumed al-Qaida or
Taliban leaders (see &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/conflicts/global_security/afghan_pakistan_abyss&quot;&gt;The Pakistan-Afghanistan abyss&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;, 4 January 2008).
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;pullquote_new&quot;&gt;
In addition to his weekly &lt;strong&gt;openDemocracy &lt;/strong&gt;column, Paul Rogers writes an international security
monthly briefing for the Oxford Research Group; for details, click &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.uk/paulrogers.htm&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Paul
Rogers&amp;#39;s most recent book is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.polity.co.uk/book.asp?ref=9780745641966&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Why We&amp;#39;re Losing the War on Terror&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (Polity, 2007) - an
analysis of the strategic misjudgments of the post-9/11 and why a new security
paradigm is needed &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.uk/paulrogers.htm&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
As Washington
attempts to expand its capabilities within Pakistan, it is again worried about
the willingness of the Pakistani authorities to revive peace agreements in the
frontier districts (see Isambard Wilkinson, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/01/wpak101.xml&quot;&gt;US Concern Over Pakistan Deal
With Militants&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;,
&lt;em&gt;Daily Telegraph&lt;/em&gt;, 1 March 2008). The
latest in a number of such deals has been concluded in one of the Taliban&amp;#39;s
heartlands, North Waziristan. The danger for
the US is that militants
might use the security afforded by these agreements to launch attacks along the
crucial supply-routes linking the port
of Karachi to its forces (and those of
its Nato allies) in Afghanistan
(see &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/conflicts/global_security/pakistan_dilemma&quot;&gt;A Pakistani dilemma&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;, 15 November 2007)
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
These concerns are reinforced by the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/story.html?id=356661&quot;&gt;persistent&lt;/a&gt; violence elsewhere in western Pakistan in the
wake of the election. To take but four examples: on 25 February, the army&amp;#39;s
surgeon-general was killed in a suicide-bomb attack in the heavily protected &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080225/ap_on_re_as/pakistan&quot;&gt;garrison city&lt;/a&gt; of Rawalpindi; on 1 March, thirty-eight people
were killed in Mingora, Swat valley, at a &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7270406.stm&quot;&gt;funeral&lt;/a&gt; for a policeman killed in an operation the
day before; on 2 March, at least thirty-nine people were killed an attack on a
traditional tribal &lt;a href=&quot;http://uk.reuters.com/article/featuredCrisis/idUKISL2793720080302&quot;&gt;meeting&lt;/a&gt; in the Darra Adam Kheil region; and on 4
March, four people died in an &lt;a href=&quot;http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h0Beiz5ttVCdXY5KdnTTpqmTTI3gD8V6O0HO0&quot;&gt;attack&lt;/a&gt; by two suicide-bombers on a naval college in
Lahore.  
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
It is worth mentioning here that the US determination to use air power, drones and
cruise missiles in its campaign against Islamist militants has extended once
again to Somalia,
whose conflict is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0305/p01s01-usmi.html&quot;&gt;continuing&lt;/a&gt; beyond the gaze of most of the world&amp;#39;s media.
There, a sea-launched Tomahawk cruise missile was targeted on a suspected
militant group in a remote village in the south of the country. US officials
claimed an al-Qaida link, but local sources spoke of civilians being among the
six killed and ten wounded (see Edmund Sanders, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-somalia4mar04,1,479766.story?track=rss&amp;amp;ctrack=2&amp;amp;cset=true&quot;&gt;U.S. Missile Strike in Somalia
Kills 6&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;, &lt;em&gt;Los Angeles Times&lt;/em&gt;, 4 March 2008). 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Iraqi
trends&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
In Iraq,
a measure of current trends suggests that the impact of the United States
military &amp;quot;surge&amp;quot; initiated in February 2007 is starting to diminish. The number
of American &lt;a href=&quot;http://icasualties.org/oif/&quot;&gt;military casualties&lt;/a&gt; in December 2007 was very low, but the
death-rate increased sharply in January and February 2008. The rise in Iraqi
civilian casualties was even steeper; Iraqi ministry of health figures report a
36% rise in civilian deaths between the first two months of the year, a finding
echoed in figures from the independent &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iraqbodycount.org/&quot;&gt;Iraq
Body Count&lt;/a&gt;
(see Paul Tait, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL0157942120080301?feedType=RSS&amp;amp;feedName=topNews&quot;&gt;Iraq Casualties Rise Again After
Qaeda Bombs&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;,
Reuters, 1 March 2008).
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Two further important if little-reported &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L05330222.htm&quot;&gt;developments&lt;/a&gt; in Iraq are worthy of note: the increasingly
unsustainable detention system wherein the US is incarcerating tens of
thousands of alleged insurgents; and the growing frustration of some of the &lt;em&gt;Sunni&lt;/em&gt; militias sponsored by the US
military (effectively as mercenaries) to &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/04/content_7717326.htm&quot;&gt;attack&lt;/a&gt; groups affiliated to al-Qaida.  
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
On the first issue, in addition to the 26,000 prisoners are being held by the
Iraqi authorities, 24,000 people have been detained by US forces in a series of
overcrowded camps, including (even after its supposed closure in 2007) Abu
Ghraib (see Solomon Moore, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/world/middleeast/14justice.html?ref=middleeast&quot;&gt;Thousands of New Prisoners
Overwhelm Iraqi System&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;,
&lt;em&gt;New York Times&lt;/em&gt;, 14 February 2008).
From an American perspective, the holding of such large numbers of prisoners is
an integral part of the surge and a crucial aspect of controlling an insurgency
attributed largely to al-Qaida influence and therefore a manifestation of
international terrorism. The view from a &lt;em&gt;Sunni&lt;/em&gt;
Iraqi perspective is entirely different - that these are people illicitly &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/global.php?id=1386753&quot;&gt;detained&lt;/a&gt; by an occupying power as they act to oppose
that occupation. Those 24,000 people will have at least twenty times that
number of family and close friends, many of whom will be further alienated by
what has happened to one of their number. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
On the second issue, there are discomforting
signs that the &lt;em&gt;Sunni&lt;/em&gt; volunteer forces
armed and paid by the United
States to contain al-Qaida elements are far
from reliable or stable &amp;quot;allies&amp;quot; (see Sudarsan Raghavan &amp;amp; Amit R Paley,
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/02/27/ST2008022703992.html&quot;&gt;Sunni Forces Losing Patience
with U.S.&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;, &lt;em&gt;Washington Post&lt;/em&gt;, 28 February 2008). The
approximately 80,000 &lt;em&gt;Sunnis&lt;/em&gt; recruited
and deployed in this effort have become a key part of the surge&amp;quot;strategy; but
their links to their American patrons are instrumental. The &lt;em&gt;Shi&lt;/em&gt;&amp;#39;a-dominated central government for
the most part resists their integration into the Iraqi army or police force,
ensuring that many of these militiamen will have few prospects of longer-term
employment after their immediate task is concluded. Whatever their short-term &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/global.php?id=1386753&quot;&gt;utility&lt;/a&gt;, therefore, the &lt;em&gt;Sunni&lt;/em&gt; volunteer groups may in the longer term represent a large
cohort of young men with military training and experience but no loyalty to the
new Iraqi institutions of state.  
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The visit to Iraq of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on &lt;a href=&quot;http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/69C28908-BE3A-42A1-B4E1-1E1FEB6336B0.htm&quot;&gt;2-3 March 2008&lt;/a&gt; - the first by an Iranian leader since 1979,
before the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iranchamber.com/history/iran_iraq_war/iran_iraq_war1.php&quot;&gt;war&lt;/a&gt; of 1980-88 between the two countries launched
by Saddam Hussein - comes at a delicate moment in this respect. The close
historical and religious links between &lt;em&gt;Shi&lt;/em&gt;&amp;#39;a
Iraq and &lt;em&gt;Shi&lt;/em&gt;&amp;#39;a Iran are an important
part of the background here, but more significant in current political terms is
the apprehension among many &lt;em&gt;Sunnis&lt;/em&gt;
that a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/04/notebook/main3903194.shtml&quot;&gt;consolidated relationship&lt;/a&gt; with Iran is likely further to diminish their
influence within the Iraqi government. The internal political balance in Iraq - reflected too in the fact that Ahmadinejad
was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/02/africa/iraq.php&quot;&gt;welcomed&lt;/a&gt; by the Kurdish president of Iraq, Jalal Talabani - remains a matter of
intense negotiation and calculation among groups &lt;a href=&quot;http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=41436&quot;&gt;contending&lt;/a&gt; for influence and power; and &lt;em&gt;Sunni&lt;/em&gt;
Iraq
is at the heart of this process.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Global
narratives&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
In a wider context, the fundamental reality is
that Iraq is (and is seen as being, both inside and outside the country) as under
foreign occupation. This narrative is a stubborn counterweight to the one
emanating from Washington
(especially, though not exclusively, from neo-conservative &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/822vfpsz.asp&quot;&gt;circles&lt;/a&gt;): that after five difficult years a
transformative victory is at hand.   
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The political and media power of the &amp;quot;victory&amp;quot;
narrative, allied to its ruthless selectivity of focus, means that it could
very well survive the next eight months and the election of a new president in
the United States. At the same time, the range and depth of the problems in
several theatres of the war on terror - Afghanistan,
Pakistan, Somalia, Iraq,
Lebanon,
and elsewhere - may prove so intractable that they collectively dissolve the
mirage. What is certain is that the incoming president - whoever he or she is -
will face far greater problems than Washington
seems at present able to contemplate. 
&lt;/p&gt;
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