leafyoung on "Tibetan unrest, Chinese lens"

leafyoung — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:45:38 +0000

Hi, rosross

It's not a like france-english issue but a scotland-england issue.

This article represents a Chinese perspective, which shall be recommended to be read by most westerners regarding the Tibet issue. Are they being exaggerated? Perhaps. It shall be and can be discussed and researched.

Another problem relating to the mistreating of Tibet during last four decades could be related to the "Culture revolution" and "Leftism", by which whole China has been suffered. At that time, only one ideology, Mao's ideology, which is atheist and anti-human, has been promoted and executed. That segment of history is complex and still a taboo in China but most corrections have been done in 70s and 80s. I doubt the credibility of the Tubten Khétsun' Memories of Life in Lhasa Under Chinese Rule in recent 20 years' context.[Columbia University Press, 2008] (quoted in "Olympics of shame").

Chinese hasn't been referred to Han, but a mix of more-than-56 races, a policy highlighted throughout Qing, ROC, PRC. We haven't been monoraced for the past thousands years and we will still strive for a harmony family of tolerance and sharing. So your statement of "what makes non-Chinese" seems pale. Shall you apply to muslim British?

opendemocracy on "Tibetan unrest, Chinese lens"

opendemocracy — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:15:00 +0000

RosRoss,

I'm not sure what your definition of a group that has rights to self-determination is here. I expect that if you think about it, the direction you're going in is going to give "nationhood" rights all over the place!
The discussion I've been having over here with Lingjie Wang might interest you.
Tony

rosross on "Tibetan unrest, Chinese lens"

rosross — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 10:07:12 +0000

It is good to have a clearer understanding of how the Chinese 'see' Tibet but it still does not resolve the core problem: whatever the history the Tibetans were and are a distinctly different culture to the Han Chinese. They have been actively occupied and colonised by China for decades.
It does not matter if the Tibetans once 'occupied' parts of China or vice versa, they were, and are, a distinct people. Just as the French and Spanish 'occupied' each other at various times, and for that matter when English kings ruled parts of France,the reality is that France, Spain and England were distinct peoples, and then nations, just like the Tibetans.
And the Chinese may well think that the Tibetans have been treated better than the North American Indians were 400 years ago but so they should .... that was 400 years ago and it reflected the attitudes of less enlightened times. One could also argue that in fact the Chinese treatment of Tibet has more in common with less enlightened views of two or three hundred years ago than it does the world of today.
The Tibetans have their own culture, religion and language and that makes them non-Chinese. Freedom is their right whatever anyone else may think.

Tibetan unrest, Chinese lens, Wenran Jiang

Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:06:58 +0000

Wenran Jiang is an associate professor of political science at the University of Alberta, Canada, and acting director of the China Institute (CIUA) there This article is also published in the Globe and Mail (Toronto)

Since riots and unrest broke out in March 2008 in Tibet and the surrounding provinces, emotions have been running high on all sides. On one side, critics of the Chinese government charge that what happened was the result of a resistance movement by the Tibetan people against Beijing's longstanding repressive policies in the region. They call for international attention to the Tibetan situation, organise protests along the routes of the global torch-relay leading up to the Beijing Olympic games (as in London on 6 April), and push for a boycott of the 8-24 August event.

On the other side, the authorities in the People's Republic of China (PRC) claim that the Dalai Lama and his separatist forces masterminded this unrest, which turned into violent rampages, looting, burning and killing of innocent civilians. Beijing insists that law and order be restored and rioters be punished; it will not tolerate further violence, and has indicated it will do whatever is necessary to fight Tibetan independence, even at the cost of damaging its reputation as Olympic host.

Also in openDemocracy on Tibet:

Ugen, "Tibet's postal protest" (4 November 2005)

Jamyang Norbu, "Tibetan tales: old myths, new realities" (13 June 2005)

openDemocracy / Tenzin Tzundue, "Tibet vs China: a human-rights showdown" (15 August 2006)

Gabriel Lafitte, "Tibet: revolt with memories" (18 March 2008)

Jeffrey N Wasserstrom, "The perils of forced modernity: China-Tibet, America-Iraq" (27 March 2008)

Donald S Lopez, "How to think about Tibet" (28 March 2008)

George Fitzherbert, "Tibet's history, China's power" (28 March 2008)

Dibyesh Anand, "Tibet, China, and the west: empires of the mind" (1 April 2008)

Robert Barnett, "Tibet: questions of revolt" (4 April 2008)

It is not surprising that such a bitter confrontation has extended beyond China's borders. Tibetans in exile took to the streets in India and Nepal. In major European and north American cities, well coordinated demonstrations have been staged in front of Chinese embassies and consulates as the unrest was spreading in Tibet and neighbouring provinces.

For their part, many in the Chinese diaspora have exhibited a strong sense of nationalism that opposes any Tibetan independence movement and resents any form of boycott of the Beijing Olympics.

What is surprising, however, is the very high level of mobilisation of Chinese public opinion (including in the blogosphere) that is not as much a response to Beijing's rallying calls for national unity as it is a strong reaction to what many Chinese perceive as the one-sided reporting of the Tibetan unrest by the western press. Chinese people everywhere want their side of the Tibet story told.

In 1989, Chinese people all over the world, including scholars and students from the mainland, protested against the government crackdown on students in Tiananmen Square. This time, by contrast, Chinese people - in European and Canadian cities, for example - have taken to the streets in support of Beijing.

While many overseas Chinese believe that Beijing's extremely harsh and hostile words against the Dalai Lama are neither effective nor well received by the western public, they still see western news media as being excessively anti-China. (Many noted errors in the reporting, including the mislabelling of photos of Indian and Nepalese police confronting demonstrating monks as Chinese soldiers cracking down in Tibet.)

They have fed their observations back to Chinese cyberspace instantly, in a process that is part of an emerging synergy of cybernationalism connecting many Chinese at home and abroad.

A Chinese lens

But what has propelled this strident nationalism? Why has the disdain for Tibet independence and its ambitions become so highly charged and emotional? Hasn't the Chinese Communist Party simply been using nationalism as a tool of legitimacy for staying in power? Aren't most Chinese brainwashed since childhood?

Three points can be made in response to these questions. First, there is an overwhelming sense among the Han Chinese (the country's predominant ethnic group) that Tibet has been part of China for centuries. True, Chinese control over Tibet was weakened when China was invaded by western powers in the 19th and 20th centuries. But the Han have not forgotten the earlier ties. In addition, Central Intelligence Agency-funded Tibetan covert operations against China in most of the cold-war years are well documented, the memory of which stirs further resentment.

As such, historical memory ensures that in the minds of the Han, any perceived attempts to separate Tibet from China will be linked with the humiliation the Chinese suffered at the hands of western and Japanese imperialism. So, to most Chinese, a potential boycott of the Beijing Olympics is viewed as a denial of China's moment in restoring its respectable position in the world.

Second, many Chinese deeply believe to this day that the People's Republic of China has lifted Tibet's people out of a medieval serfdom that was degrading to the majority of Tibetans, especially women.

Among openDemocracy's articles on China's politics:

Isabel Hilton, "China's freedom test" (7 September 2005)

Christopher R Hughes, "Chinese nationalism in the global era" (18 April 2006)

Li Datong, "Beijing's Olympics, China's politics" (22 August 2007)

Li Datong, "Shanghai: new history, old politics" (19 September 2007)

Jeffrey N Wasserstrom, "One, two or many Chinas?" (19 February 2008)

Kerry Brown, "Taiwan and China: straits of silence" (4 April 2008)

The attitude, felt particularly by communist and socialist idealists, is not unlike that felt some years ago by many in north America who saw the spread of their European culture as bringing civilisation to the native people. Just as aboriginal children were put in boarding schools and forced to learn English, many Chinese thought they were giving emancipation to an oppressed people under the name of socialism and progress.

While not denying Chinese policy failures in Tibet over the years, many reacted angrily to the recent charge that they were committing "cultural genocide" in Tibet. They argue that what China did in Tibet is generous in contrast to how native Indians were treated in north America over 400 years.

Third, many Han Chinese also think Tibetans should appreciate the tremendously high level of financial and other support that has been poured into their region, both from the central government, in the form of subsidies, and from the market adventurists who have invested heavily in the area in recent years. To the Han, such economic development is seen as eliminating poverty and bringing prosperity to the ordinary people of Tibet, as in the rest of China.

That's why the shocking images of angry young Tibetans violently attaching Han Chinese and other non-Tibetans made Chinese people recoil in indignation. (Even though they might note that while the gap between the rich and poor in the rest of China is mostly a distribution issue, the division line between the haves and have-nots appears to be drawn along ethnic lines in Tibet.)

Taken together, these historically-conditioned perceptions will continue to shape events. A failure to understand the deep-rooted emotions on both sides will both hinder potential solutions to the complex issues involved, and may risk generating further divisions.

Predictive Markets: Trade in the Will any countries boycott the Olympics? market on the openDemocracy Inkling Markets.

Average rating

(3 votes)

open Democracy News Analysis - Tibetan unrest, Chinese lens, Wenran Jiang - Comments

leafyoung on "Tibetan unrest, Chinese lens"

opendemocracy on "Tibetan unrest, Chinese lens"

rosross on "Tibetan unrest, Chinese lens"

Tibetan unrest, Chinese lens, Wenran Jiang