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 <description>&lt;p&gt;While there are certainly more Protestants in the US than Catholics, they are not all members of a single unified church. Also, the UN is about more than just the US, as hard as this may be to accept for some, so one should bear in mind that world-wide, no other Christian church is as large and unified (and influental, one may argue) as the Catholic church. I am no Catholic myself, and am not in favour of the special status granted to the pope and his church, but there are reasons for it beyond the fact that he is sovereign of a few blocks in Rome. Besides, the size of a state does not (officially) matter in the UN, and I am sure Luxembourg and Liechtenstein are glad about it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What I found a bit strange was the quip at Germany, mentioning that the former Cardinal Ratzinger was opposed to Turkey&#039;s &quot;entry into Europe&quot; (Europe and the European Union are not the same, by the way, just like America is not the same as the US, but obviously this is something Mr. Walsh does not deem important enough to bother with) &quot;as a good German&quot;. Was this meant to imply that Germans were generally opposed to the entry of Turkey into the European Union? If so, it is far from the truth. There is no more opposition to Turkey&#039;s membership in Germany than in most other members, as far as I know, and unless proven wrong with convincing evidence, I would appreciate a cessation of such remarks.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;The Pope only gets to speak at the UN because the Vatican is recognized as a member nation. Just because the Pope is sovereign of a few blocks in Rome, he is able to appear and speak before the General Assembly. The leaders of other Christian denominations, let alone non-Christian religious leaders, miss the publicity and the political profile because they lack a state. In the interests of ecumenism, perhaps the US could grant the late Rev. Falwell&#039;s Liberty University independent sovereignty so that Jerry Falwell Jr. could address the General Assembly, or maybe after McCain is elected, he could arrange for sovereign status to be given to Rev. John Hagee&#039;s church. This could help balance the underrepresentation of Israel at the UN. And why stop there? The US could create hundreds of ministates within its boarders, and it could pressure the UN to accept the proposed new sovereign states as full voting members of the UN. After all, there are more Protestants in the US than Catholics. Maybe some of their leaders should be given equal limelight with the Pope.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;
A minor feature of Pope Benedict XVI&amp;#39;s trip to
the United States
on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uspapalvisit.org/&quot;&gt;15-20 April 2008&lt;/a&gt; was to highlight the awkwardness of George W
Bush. The embattled president had already defied protocol by meeting the
pontiff at the airport on his arrival, and then compounded embarrassment by
hosting a party to celebrate Benedict&amp;#39;s 81st birthday, only to find that the
pope was otherwise engaged (though several Vatican functionaries turned up to
represent him, thus to some degree saving Bush&amp;#39;s face). 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;pullquote_new&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Michael Walsh&lt;/strong&gt; is a writer and
broadcaster. He was librarian at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heythrop.ac.uk/index.php&quot;&gt;Heythrop College&lt;/a&gt; from 1972 to
2001. Among his books are &lt;a href=&quot;http://bt.yahoo.com/&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Secret World of Opus Dei&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; ( HarperCollins,
2004) and &lt;em&gt;The Conclave: A Sometimes
Secret and Occasionally Bloody History&lt;/em&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scm-canterburypress.co.uk/index.asp&quot;&gt;Canterbury Press, 2003&lt;/a&gt; )Also by Michael
Walsh in &lt;strong&gt;openDemocracy&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/faith-catholicchurch/article_2405.jsp&quot;&gt;Cutting the
Vatican down to size&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (5 April 2005) &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/faith-catholicchurch/article_2441.jsp&quot;&gt;From Joseph Ratzinger
to Pope Benedict XVI&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (20 April 2005) &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/faith-europe_islam/regensburg_3920.jsp&quot;&gt;The Regensburg
address: reason
amid certainty&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (20 September 2006) &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/faith-catholicchurch/pope_patriarch_4151.jsp&quot;&gt;The Pope and
the Patriarch&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (4 December 2006) &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/democracy_power/catholic_church/regensburg_benedict&quot;&gt;Pope Benedict
XV1: forward to the past&amp;quot;&lt;/a&gt; (14 September 2007)
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Yet the &amp;quot;warmth of feeling for the pope was
tangible, and so was the good chemistry between the pope and President George
Bush&amp;quot;, remarked Michael Novak, the neo-conservative Catholic commentator in an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zenit.org/rssenglish-22382&quot;&gt;interview&lt;/a&gt; for the rightwing Catholic news service &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zenit.org/&quot;&gt;Zenit&lt;/a&gt;.
Indeed, the pope&amp;#39;s reception in the US, on the streets as well as on
the White House lawn, was warm and generous. Novak, as is his wont, contrasted
the US
response to what might be expected of Europeans whom he sees as cooler towards
the papacy, and irredeemably more secular. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;The
real target&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Here, however, is where the small details of
the pope&amp;#39;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thetablet.co.uk/articles/11351/&quot;&gt;six-day trip&lt;/a&gt; do start to matter. For rather oddly, Benedict had come to praise the
secular. In a largely unremarked passage which must have had the 19th-century
pontiffs turning in their sarcophagi, he lauded the secular political order,
and its separation of church and state. 
This may be a reality taken for granted in the US and in much - though regrettably not in all -
of Europe as well as elsewhere. It has also been
Catholic doctrine since the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Vatican_Council&quot;&gt;Second Vatican Council&lt;/a&gt; in the early 1960s (though as late as the eve
of the council there were cardinals in the Roman curia fighting a rearguard
action). But even today, some Catholics in the US regard their constitution as an
Enlightenment project, and not something to which the devout should sign up.
Benedict&amp;#39;s praise of the US
constitution was, therefore, a significant moment: yet another problem for those
apologists for Catholicism who insist that their church&amp;#39;s teaching never
changes.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
On matters of religion and politics, and in a &lt;a href=&quot;http://uspapalvisit.org/backgrounders/glance.htm&quot;&gt;country&lt;/a&gt; where bishops have refused the sacrament to
politicians who appeared not to be toeing the (Catholic) party line, the pope
was reticent. The pope and the president presumably see eye-to-eye on many
moral issues, though the former appears to lay rather less emphasis on
bioethics than did his predecessor: much less is heard these days of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/index.htm&quot;&gt;Pope John Paul II&amp;#39;s&lt;/a&gt; &amp;quot;culture of death&amp;quot;. Benedict, however, shares
John Paul&amp;#39;s firm opposition to the war in Iraq, and is even more in favour of
the United Nations. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Indeed, the real reason for the papal trip
across the Atlantic may have been his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thetablet.co.uk/articles/11372/&quot;&gt;speech&lt;/a&gt;
to the UN general assembly, delivered on 18 April, rather than a visit the United States
as such - though clearly the first could not be done without the other. Since
Pope Paul VI first did so, making an address to the general assembly has become
a regular feature of a pontificate; more widely, at least since the pontificate
of John XXIII in the early 1960s the Vatican has backed the UN as an
expression of the solidarity of peoples. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;The
quiet message&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
There are other, revealing differences with
Benedict&amp;#39;s &lt;a href=&quot;/faith-catholicchurch/article_2399.jsp&quot;&gt;predecessor&lt;/a&gt;. Most media interest centred upon the apology
which the pope made for the many instances of sexual abuse by American clergy,
something that Pope John Paul II &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.snapnetwork.org/news/vatican/debate_continues_pope.htm&quot;&gt;avoided&lt;/a&gt;. Benedict repeated it
on at least three occasions, including to the press corps accompanying him as
he flew to Washington.
The diocese most affected by this scandal was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6765175&quot;&gt;Boston&lt;/a&gt;,
which it seems had been on the original itinerary, but was later dropped; the
cardinal of Boston was, however, present when a
select few of those who had been abused were &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thetablet.co.uk/articles/11360/&quot;&gt;invited&lt;/a&gt;
to meet the pope in Washington&amp;#39;s
papal nunciature (the Vatican embassy). The cardinal is a new appointment; his
predecessor has been exiled to Rome
and was not included in the papal entourage. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;pullquote_new&quot;&gt;
Also in &lt;strong&gt;openDemocracy&lt;/strong&gt; on the politics of the &lt;a href=&quot;/faith-catholicchurch/debate.jsp&quot;&gt;Catholic
church&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Neal Ascherson, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/faith-catholicchurch/article_2399.jsp&quot;&gt;Pope John Paul
II and democracy&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (1 April 2005)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Austen Ivereigh, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/faith-catholicchurch/article_2402.jsp&quot;&gt;Through the
Vatican white smoke&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (4 April 2005)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Timothy Radcliffe, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://the%20catholic%20church%20and%20democracy/&quot;&gt;The Catholic
church and democracy&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (12 April 2005)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Andrew Brown, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/faith-catholicchurch/article_2442.jsp&quot;&gt;Cardinal
Chernenko?&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (20 April 2005)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Faisal Devji, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/faith-europe_islam/pope_prophet_3940.jsp&quot;&gt;Between Pope
and Prophet&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (26 September 2006)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Rodrigo de Almeida, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/democracy-catholicchurch/benedict_brazil_4601.jsp&quot;&gt;Benedict XVI
in Brazil: raising the Catholic flag&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (9 May 2007)
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
When he was first elected in 2005, the former
Cardinal Ratzinger declared it the mission of his pontificate to make better
known the teaching of John Paul II, whom he had served as a member of the
Vatican staff for nearly a quarter of a century (see &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/faith-catholicchurch/article_2441.jsp&quot;&gt;From Joseph Ratzinger to Pope
Bendeict XVI&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;,
20 April 2005). Yet he has not greatly imitated his predecessor. The style is
certainly more restrained. Although he seemed genuinely pleased to be in the
US, and welcomed the plaudits of the crowds, there was little of the populism
which marked John Paul&amp;#39;s many peregrinations - no kissing of the tarmac, for instance,
even if, at his considerable  age, he felt
capable of it.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The substance is different, too. There have
been only two encyclicals in the last three years, &lt;em&gt;Deus Caritas Est&lt;/em&gt; (&amp;quot;God is love&amp;quot;), which won great praise both for
its content and the clarity of its style; and &lt;em&gt;Spe Salvi&lt;/em&gt; (&amp;quot;Saving hope&amp;quot;), which seems to have sunk leaving very
little trace, possibly because it was much more academic in tone. If there is a
papal programme, then after &amp;quot;charity&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;hope&amp;quot; the next encyclical should be
on &amp;quot;faith&amp;quot; - though in fact the promise is one on Catholic social doctrine. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;The
diplomacy of faith  &lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Faith, and the spreading of the faith, is what
Christians are supposed to be about: Benedict called his transatlantic trip a
missionary journey. In the modern world, however, Christian mission is highly
complex. Benedict has reached out to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thetablet.co.uk/articles/10737/&quot;&gt;Muslim scholars&lt;/a&gt;, to Jews, and to non-Roman Catholic Christians;
at the same time he has ostentatiously baptised a convert from Islam,
reintroduced into the Catholic liturgy a prayer for the conversion of the Jews,
and declared - or at least, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith over
which he used to preside &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/if-it-isnt-catholic-then-its-not-a-proper-church-says-pope-996432.html&quot;&gt;declared&lt;/a&gt; in July 2007 - that only the Roman Catholic
faith can properly be called a true church (the Orthodox was a church but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19692094/&quot;&gt;suffered&lt;/a&gt; from the &amp;quot;wound&amp;quot; of not recognising the primacy
of the pope, where the other churches lacked apostolic succession and &amp;quot;cannot
be called ‘churches&amp;#39; in the proper sense&amp;quot;). It is hard to see consistency here.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
As Cardinal Ratzinger (and possibly as a good
German) he expressed opposition to the entry of Turkey
into Europe. 
That is unlikely to happen on his watch in any case, but as pope he has
in any case been more circumspect. He wants &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zenit.org/article-21977?l=english&quot;&gt;debate&lt;/a&gt; with Islam, but he also wants reciprocity. If
there are mosques in Christian lands, why should there not be churches in
Muslim territory?  This policy appears to
be bearing fruit.  A church was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3549158.ece&quot;&gt;established&lt;/a&gt; in Qatar
in March 2008, albeit unobtrusive and with no outward sign of Christianity,
leaving only Saudi Arabia
without a Christian place of worship - and there are even hopes of there. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Here again, there are mixed signals. One of
Benedict&amp;#39;s first acts as pope was to remove Archbishop Michael Fitzgerald, an
Arabist, from his position in the Council for Interreligious Dialogue, and send
him in February 2006 as nuncio (ambassador) to Egypt, and emissary to the Arab
League. This move took many in the Vatican by surprise, and was widely
seen as presaging a tougher attitude to Islam than that fostered by John Paul.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
At the time, Fitzgerald&amp;#39;s apparent demotion
was also &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=18785&quot;&gt;thought&lt;/a&gt; be an early move in a thoroughgoing reform of
the curia (the Vatican administration) by a consummate Vatican
insider. It has not happened. Ratzinger may have been dubbed the Vatican
&amp;quot;rottweiler&amp;quot; for his pursuit of doctrinal deviance, but as his own replacement
he chose an old friend, Archbishop (now Cardinal) William Levada of San Francisco, a moderate
man who had upset traditionalists by refusing permission for celebration of
mass in the old &amp;quot;tridentine&amp;quot; rite in his diocese. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The &amp;quot;tridentine&amp;quot; rite has become something of
a symbol for conservative among Catholics. Pope Benedict has sanctioned it for
more common use, perhaps in an effort to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0801706.htm&quot;&gt;win back&lt;/a&gt; some of those who left the church in the wake
of the liturgical reform - particularly members of the Society of St Pius X
(though the society&amp;#39;s founder, Archbishop Lefebvre, had complaints in many
other areas). In any case, the reintroduction of the &amp;quot;tridentine&amp;quot; rite has not
been well received by bishops and clergy at large, though for reasons of loyalty
few voice their protests in public.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Smile,
you&amp;#39;re the pope&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
That liturgical issue aside, Pope Benedict in
his first three years as pope has not made great changes. Even his choice of
cardinals who may eventually elect his successor has been unsurprising - the
usual curial officials, the usual bishops of important dioceses. Perhaps the
81-year-old Benedict does not believe he will govern the church long enough to
cause any major shift of policy.  His contribution
may in time be seen as more intellectual than practical. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
In this respect, his papacy does represent one
significant change. The favoured theologian of pontiffs at least since Leo XIII
at the end of the 19th century has been St Thomas Aquinas; but Benedict&amp;#39;s is St
Augustine of Hippo.  Augustine had a much
more pessimistic view of humankind and its potentiality than did Thomas. Yet
Benedict himself, from the evidence of his United States trip, nonetheless
appears cheerful enough. The pope perhaps has heeded the remark of an early
16th-century predecessor: &amp;quot;God has given us the papacy, let us enjoy it&amp;quot;.
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