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 <title>bcharbonneau on &quot;The costs of America&amp;#146;s long war&quot;</title>
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 <description>Redefining, finding, exaggerating, or even inventing impending threats to the USA has been a recurring exercise and practice of the military-industrial complex. In his fairwell address, President Eisenhower warned Americans &quot;against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Beyond the question of American wars and imperialism, there is the &quot;threat from within&quot;, the threat to American democracy. When most of the budget goes to defense to &quot;secure&quot; the USA, it also has the potential to destabilize civil society. The undue influence of the military-industrial complex threatens American democracy and thus it also further weakens fragile social nets (through cuts in social programs).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The paranoia surrounding external threats to the American way of life has also the effect to silence such debates about &quot;internal threats&quot; to this way of life; to dismiss them as &quot;unpatriotic&quot;. Imperalistic/militaristic societies tend to implode one way or another.</description>
 <pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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 <title>alfredo.bremont on &quot;The costs of America&amp;#146;s long war&quot;</title>
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 <description>the actuality shows a reality that after the soviet unions collapse it was unthinkable what we experience today. fukuyama and his predictions have confirm that reality is not a writing novel by some bourgeois writer but it is quite a deferent nod. reality is describing that 80% of the worlds population do not agreed with Washington and there are another additional 10% inside the nation that do not really go along with washington&#039;s design of democracy and economical impositions. in the end we got 90% of the worlds population that disagrees with Washington and its imperialistic desires. a war against most of the worlds population is a folly no matter how many trillions you pump into the military the planet is to vast and to complex to be control by a nation along. napoleon failed in Spain the same way bush is failing in the middle east. Hitler had the same stubborn inclination towards Russia, but it was Russia one of his most important mistakes. has Hitler done otherwise the war might have had a different outcome. what America must do now is recognize what it is as it is useless to spend money on military hardware when the enemy is everywhere at home even in your soup. when everyone hates you there is more a question of reflect than a defense position. rather than increasing the military expendure a volte face should be done and spend the money in education social projects art philosophy. conquer the world by a good example not by brute force and the results will be a lot better and people will admire the nation rather than hated as they do today.</description>
 <pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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 <title>joe_11 on &quot;The costs of America&amp;#146;s long war&quot;</title>
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 <description>Interesting.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s apparently a &quot;truism&quot; that (at least since WWII) the US economy is dependent on military spending.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But the previous &quot;long standing WAR&quot; (Vietnam) probably had something to do with the stagflation economic crisis of the late 1970s.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m no economist - and as ignorant as the next American - but it makes me wonder if anyone is doing much work trying to foretell the effect the Iraq/�War on Terror� conflict will have on the US economy?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If it brings us closer to full employment and stable prices, the world is doomed � and we (in the US) are damned.</description>
 <pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 01:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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 <title>The costs of America&#039;s long war, Paul Rogers </title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;The current United States&amp;nbsp;surge in Iraq, the additional troops for the US command in Afghanistan and the large naval force now being assembled close to Iran together indicate the major preoccupations of George W Bush&amp;#39;s war on terror. They also reflect a deeper reality that underlies the prosecution of this (in its revised formulation) &amp;quot;long war&amp;quot;: the sheer size of the US military.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The simplest way to measure this is through the current scale of, and planned, increases in the US defence budget. The published details of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/military/budget/annualrequest/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Pentagon&amp;#39;s&lt;/a&gt; spending for fiscal year 2008 (which starts in October 2007) show some remarkable quantitative and qualitative changes. These reinforce the Bush administration&amp;#39;s insistence that its long war will remain at the centre of US security strategy, and that it requires both substantially increased defence expenditure&amp;nbsp;and several major innovations in tactics and equipment.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In the mid-1990s, the then CIA director &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.defenddemocracy.org/biographies/biographies_show.htm?doc_id=154779&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;James Woolsey&lt;/a&gt; commented that the United States had slain the dragon of the Soviet Union but now lived in a jungle full of poisonous snakes. Since 9/11 and the start of the near-permanent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, taming that jungle has become the primary focus of the US military posture. Both the ability of the US military to win its war and the capacity of the American economy to sustain this effort are open to question, but there is no reason to doubt the US leadership&amp;#39;s commitment to continue on its course (see &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;../conflict/battlefield_3251.jsp&quot;&gt;The world as a battlefield&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;, 9 February 2006). &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;pull_quote_article&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;pull_quote&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt; Paul Rogers is professor of peace studies at Bradford University, northern England. He has been writing a weekly &lt;a href= http://www.opendemocracy.net/columns/global_security.jsp target=_blank&gt;column&lt;/a&gt; on global security on openDemocracy since 26 September 2001&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Loss without limit&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The prospective budget increases are indeed exceptional. The core budget for 2008 is expected to be $481.4 billion, compared with $441.5 billion for 2006; but the &amp;quot;supplemental&amp;quot; requests to cope with the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan push the figures even higher - from a total budget of $557.3 billion in 2007 to $645.6 billion in 2008. A contrast with Britain&amp;#39;s total planned &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dasa.mod.uk/natstats/ukds/2006/c1/intro.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;defence budget&lt;/a&gt; in 2008 of around $60 billion is instructive: the US, with five times the population of Britain, is spending more than ten times on defence (and its British ally is one of the more hawkish countries where defence is concerned). At a conservative estimate, the US is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/archives/002279.php&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;now spending&lt;/a&gt; as much on its military as every other country in the world put together.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In raw terms, the US defence budget is now at similar levels to those during the height of the cold war in the mid-1980s. Again, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2007/02/the-usas-fy-2008-defense-budget/index.php&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;detail&lt;/a&gt; adds significance to the broad picture. In 2008, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are likely to cost the US $141 billion (over $385 million per day). Servicing this cost will necessitate short-term spending of a type that could actually jeopardise cherished high-tech projects over the next decade or so (see John T Bennett, &amp;quot;A Procurement &amp;#39;Time Bomb&amp;#39;&amp;quot;, &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://integrator.hanscom.af.mil/2007/February/02152007/02152007-24.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Defense News&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;/em&gt;12 February 2007). &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Most of the stress in the US military system is being felt by the army and the marine corps, and&amp;nbsp;in two different ways. The first is the sheer deterioration of equipment (everything from tank-tracks through to truck-engines), along with the remarkable rate at which ammunition is being used. This may be good news for manufacturers of this kind of routine material, and for the smaller companies that make their money from repair and renovation, but it means a potential squeeze for those companies seeking huge amounts of investment in new systems such as the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-35.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;F-35&lt;/a&gt; multi-role aircraft and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=2535808&amp;amp;C=america&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;airborne laser&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The second effect comes from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://icasualties.org/oif/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;casualties&lt;/a&gt; of war. The US has had over 3,000 of its troops killed since October 2001, and those injured in combat now exceed 23,000 (at least 10,000 of them seriously so). The effects of non-combat injuries, and of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7738485&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;mental&lt;/a&gt; and physical ill-health, have required at least 20,000 troops to be evacuated from combat-zones to the US. Many thousands more come to experience post-traumatic stress disorders.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;All this imposes massive additional expenditure on long-term medical care and pensions in the US homeland. The scandal over the state of facilities in and around the Walter Reed Army Hospital in Washington is thought to be just a well-publicised example of a much more widespread problem (see &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070301/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/walter_reed_4&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Walter Reed general loses his command&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;, &lt;em&gt;Associated Press, &lt;/em&gt;1 March 2007).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;pull_quote_article&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;pull_quote&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt; In addition to his weekly openDemocracy column, Paul Rogers writes an international security monthly briefing for the Oxford Research Group; for details, click &lt;a href=http://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.uk/paulrogers.htm target=_blank&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;No turning back&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;These stresses notwithstanding, the Pentagon and the Bush administration are determined to push the funding requests through Congress. They are helped in the knowledge that any Democratic opposition can easily be represented as deeply unpatriotic in a time of war. As the debate on the budget got under way in February 2007, the new defence secretary &lt;a href=&quot;../globalization/gates_4106.jsp&quot;&gt;Robert Gates&lt;/a&gt; insisted that the increased budget was necessary: not just Iraq and Afghanistan, but Iran and North Korea, are now part of the wider jungle, and there are uncertainties over China and Russia too (see William Matthews, &amp;quot;Sticker Shock in Congress&amp;quot;, &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.defensenews.com/channel.php?C=thisweek&amp;amp;P=20070212&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Defense News&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;/em&gt;12 February 2007 [subscription only]).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The chair of the US joint chiefs-of-staff, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.defenselink.mil/bios/pace_bio.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;General Peter Pace&lt;/a&gt;, elaborated on this theme at a congressional hearing: &amp;quot;You can take a lap around the globe. Start with Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Colombia, Venezuela, the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, North Korea and back around to Pakistan. And I&amp;#39;m sure I missed a few.&amp;quot; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It can seem that as the US becomes more and more trapped in Iraq and Afghanistan, the outcome is less the recognition of error and the need for a change of direction than a condition amounting almost to paranoia. Pace&amp;#39;s comments seem indicative of a feeling of uncertainty and insecurity, indeed of a world going &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.plutobooks.com/cgi-local/nplutobrows.pl?chkisbn=9780745319094&amp;amp;main=&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;out of control&lt;/a&gt;: a very far cry from the neo-conservative dream of a &amp;quot;new American century&amp;quot;. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The response to the predicament Washington&amp;#39;s political and military leaders are experiencing is not to question the policies that have led them to the impasse, but to redouble efforts to regain control. 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