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Not logged in — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 01:39:34 +0000

I would like to say to anyone who thinks that the Irish government 'gave us' this right to vote on the Lisbon Treaty, that is not true. It is embedded in our constitution. Brian Cowen would love if we didnt have the right to vote - us ordinary people are too stupid to decide on things will affect the rest of our lives,our children and their children. It will essentially mean that we dont really have to vote on anything else again, it will be decided for us. And if Irish politicians recent past is anything to go by, they will be bullied into agreeing to do something, no matter what they or the people want or need.

Tore Toivicco on "The Lisbon Treaty: Ireland’s awful secret"

Tore Toivicco — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:12:35 +0000

Message to irish people about Lisbon treaty:

Lisbon treaty seems to be totally strange and deleting democracy or human rights?

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/centreright/2008/01/lisbon-treaty-c.html

I’ve read an article which states that police gets rights to shoot people in some situations.

These kind of things are totalitarian politics.

It also propably stops right to go on strike.

http://www.no2lisbon.ie/en/press-centre/entry/160

And all this in whole Europe…

It is sad to notice that all other countries have accepted this treaty, but many governments have not even given people chance to vote about it.

Irish government has given you this right,…anyway it is really strange that Ireland maybe votes again about this, and only after few months?(or 2009?)

EU elite needs this YES, and they have ordered new voting?

If this is true it shows how horrible secret elite rules EU, and what can we expect from the future?
Lisbon treaty is basicly giving ‘Gestapo’-laws to EU-government, if needed?

And they seem to need those laws fast?

Vote NO, and save the world?

F.ex. in many european countries media and politicians has almost 100% ignored discussions about this subject, and people are not even aware about whole thing?

It is also good to remember that USA has now similar ‘mertial laws’ there, after 11th september 2001… ?

EU security officials decide about all security matters of whole EU?

Also there is some things which makes it very difficult for normal people to complain and get things corrected if there is wrongful handlings?

I hope I am wrong, but this whole thing , and how it has been handled seems really wrong? And it is not a democratic way to handle politics.?

http://www.europeanfoundation.org/docs/Treaty%20of%20Lisbon.htm

ps.

I am harassed so much all the time that this writing may include errors.

-Tore Toivicco

Neil Young on "The Lisbon Treaty: Ireland’s awful secret"

Neil Young — Thu, 08 May 2008 20:47:20 +0000

Hi i just wanted to say that i have no clue as to what the "Treaty of Lisbon amending the Treaty on European Union and the Treaty establishing the European Community" is other than what other people's opinions are.

That screams "NO" to me.

Since when did politics become a reality tv show?

Howard on "The Lisbon Treaty: Ireland’s awful secret"

Howard — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:10:14 +0000

The Lisbon Treaty is much longer than 272 pages.

The advocates of the "official truth" elegantly ignore the fact that the new text itself only contains the modifications, deletions and additions to the existing treaties, which altogether add up to ca 3000 pages.

The new form of the old EU constitution called "Lisbon Treaty" - taking over federal state powers and abolishing sovereignty of the member states- is a constitution that is NOT readable in a linear way.

The Lisbon Treaty was NOT meant to be read by anyone, just to be blindly accepted. Because its former lineral version was read and rejected, the new form of the same text would naturally be rejected if it would be readable. If the peoples of Europe would understand that what they sign is the abolition of their national independence, they would not sign it. As simple as that.

Now, only those accept the Lisbon Treaty, the unreadable constitution of a new federal state, who believe in a centralised Europe of blind voters and blind national governments. The less the citizens are aware of the significance of the process Brussels has imposed on Europe the more freedom Brussels will enjoy in finishing what they started.

To learn all details on the Lisbon Treaty - with actual quotes from the text - and its legal implications, please visit the National Platform’s new site:

“Lisbon Treaty Irish Referendum Blog - National Platform”

http://nationalplatform.wordpress.com/

Our blog:

"The Lisbon Treaty Blog"

Facts about the Lisbon Treaty - what political science tells us

http://howardh.wordpress.com/about/

The Lisbon Treaty: Ireland’s awful secret,

OurKingdom — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:42:08 +0000

Catherine Reilly (Dublin, Metro Eireann): Burying bad news: never really a good idea, is it?

Just ask the former British government spin doctor who infamously called 9/11 a good day to "bury" bad news. She lost her job. Or indeed the Irish footballer who, in order to avoid international duty after his girlfriend's apparent miscarriage, ‘killed off' not one but two grandmothers when the media smelled a rat. Those terrace chants and nightclub wind-ups will follow him for life.

Burying bad news, we'll not be having that.

But now the dull spectre of faceless Eurocrats burying bad news has darkened the green fields and concrete playgrounds of Ireland.

It follows thus: two weeks ago, an email leaked to the Daily Mail in London, and originating from the British Foreign Office, suggested that European Commission officials had told Irish politicians that the commission was willing to tone down or delay messages that could be unhelpful during Ireland's Lisbon Treaty referendum campaign. The email, apparently written by a British diplomat in Dublin, also stated that the commission's Vice President Margot Wallström had told Ireland's Minister for Foreign Affairs Dermot Ahern TD (Teachta Dála - member of the Irish parliament) it would delay or tone down unhelpful announcements. Wallström has denied the accusations.

Sinn Féin, whose opposition to the Lisbon Treaty is at odds with the broad cross-party support for it, predictably latched onto the controversy as one would a winning bingo card on a dark, rainy night.

There is growing disquiet in Ireland at ongoing revelations that senior figures within the EU Commission and EU Parliament are attempting to suppress information from the Irish electorate in advance of the referendum on the Lisbon Treaty

remarked the party's MEP Mary Lou McDonald in the EU Parliament this week.

Pushing a few more buttons, she said Irish people "deserve the full and unvarnished truth about EU intentions regarding defence and security, budgetary matters or corporation tax."

Ireland's Taoiseach (prime minister) Bertie Ahern TD, who will prematurely vacate his post on the 6th of May following alleged inconsistencies over his personal finances, has already moved to dismiss the ‘burying bad news' allegations, as has his successor-in-waiting, Tánaiste (deputy prime minister) Brian Cowen TD.

What is most remarkable, however, are the messages still buried within the offending email. Published in full (needs subscription) in The Irish Times last week, the email bluntly stated, "so Irish thought treaty was taken for granted" (sic) when referring to official expectations that the Irish electorate will pass the treaty, and that "most people would not have time to study the text [of the treaty] and would go with the politicians they trusted".

Dublin law lecturer Rossa Fanning, in his opinion piece in The Irish Times on the 22nd of April, honed in on the ‘confusion factor' when he wrote that it is "a safe bet" that very few of the electorate will have read the 272-page treaty by the 12th of June. Fanning added that requesting the electorate to vote on something they have not read, and don't understand, is "of dubious value".

So, the population of the only EU nation scheduled to vote on a treaty setting out the future direction and mechanisms of the EU, is more than a little confused.

How did that get so buried?

Catherine Reilly is deputy editor of Metro Eireann, Ireland's multicultural weekly.