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&lt;p&gt;As I&#039;ve said many times before, if you want constitutional reform then don&#039;t trust Jack Straw and Gordon Brown to deliver it.  The fact that they think their opinions are relevant shows just how out of touch they are.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Alan Beith can stop casting assertions.  He&#039;s supposed to be an impartial chair of the inquiry being held by the Justice Select Committee into &quot;Devolution a Decade on&quot;, but he&#039;s clearly prejudice the entire thing in favour of his preferred regionalism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The whole lot of them, with one or two notable exceptions, are one big rotten-to-the-core old boys club.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;strong&gt;Anthony Barnett (London, &lt;a href=&quot;/http/ourkingdom.opendemocracy.net&quot;&gt;OK&lt;/a&gt;): &lt;/strong&gt;The Prime Minister appeared before the liason committee of chairs of Commons select committees this morning. Seems pretty sad. I am reproing below the blog account from &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/07/brown_quizzed_by_senior_mps_li.html&quot;&gt;the Guardian&amp;#39;s Andrew Sparrow&lt;/a&gt; of the initial section of the proceedings on so-called &amp;#39;constitutional renewal&amp;#39;. The question from Vaz is amusing. His reference to the governership of Burmuda is taken from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2008-06-11a.314.0&amp;amp;s=Diane+abbott#g379.2&quot;&gt;Diane Abbott&amp;#39;s speech &lt;/a&gt;in the 42 days debate, when she said that the House of Commons on the Labour side had been reduced to a &amp;quot;baazar&amp;quot;. if you saw the clip after yesterday&amp;#39;s PMQ when Vaz denied he had been offered a knighthood as his &amp;#39;appropriate reward&amp;#39; but said there was still time, you may have noticed Abbott sitting right behind him - with an expression of grim satisfaction.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Then what should drop into my mailbox but the press release from Jack Straw. I am reproing this in full as it is his overview of the years work on the Green Paper. This is his first para, though:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;	 &amp;quot;Constitutional renewal may on the face of it seem a dry area, not&lt;br /&gt;
	directly affecting our day to day lives. But in fact the issues we&lt;br /&gt;
	have focused on in the last 12 months are helping to forge a new&lt;br /&gt;
	relationship between government and citizen, and ensuring that power&lt;br /&gt;
	is placed where it should be: with Parliament and therefore with the&lt;br /&gt;
	people. I am delighted by the progress we have made, with more to&lt;br /&gt;
	come.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As I argue in &lt;a href=&quot;/article/ourkingdom/what-do-we-do-now&quot;&gt;What do we do now?&lt;/a&gt; however fine their early intentions, the government&amp;#39;s 42 days debacle has evacuated parliament of its autonomy. A friend said to me yesterday, &amp;quot;The Commons is a busted flush&amp;quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Gordon Brown on Constitutional renewal&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Alan Williams&lt;/strong&gt;, the committee chairman, opens the session. He&lt;br /&gt;
says they&amp;#39;re going to start with constitutional renewal, with the&lt;br /&gt;
questioning led by &lt;strong&gt;Sir Patrick Cormack&lt;/strong&gt;. Cormack starts with&lt;br /&gt;
some light questions about whether Brown is still enjoying the job, and&lt;br /&gt;
whether he gets any sleep. Brown says he gets &amp;quot;plenty of sleep&amp;quot;. Not&lt;br /&gt;
what the Whitehall gossip says.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;10.05am&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Brown says he is transferring powers to parliament. But Cormack&lt;br /&gt;
wants to know why the government continues to timetable legislation&lt;br /&gt;
(limiting the amount of time MPs can debate bills). &amp;quot;You are preventing&lt;br /&gt;
the executive being called fully to account,&amp;quot; says Cormack.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;10.10am&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Alan Beith&lt;/strong&gt; asks about the plans to change the role of the attorney general. Brown says that, under the plans in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/constitution&quot;&gt;constitutional reform&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
bill, the attorney general will not be involved in prosecution&lt;br /&gt;
decisions, unless national security is involved. But Beith says there&lt;br /&gt;
will still be a &amp;quot;conflict of interest&amp;quot;, because the attorney general&lt;br /&gt;
has a political role and a legal role.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Brown gets testy with this line of questioning. &amp;quot;I don&amp;#39;t know if&lt;br /&gt;
these microphones are working well enough,&amp;quot; he says, before going on to&lt;br /&gt;
make his point about the attorney&amp;#39;s powers being reduced for the third&lt;br /&gt;
or fourth time.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;10.20am&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/jul/03/terrorism.labour&quot;&gt;Lord Vaz&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;quot; (as he&amp;#39;s now known in the tearooms) asks about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/terrorism&quot;&gt;counter-terrorism bill&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
He asks Brown if he accepts that the counter-terrorism bill would&lt;br /&gt;
damage Britain&amp;#39;s constitutional settlement, because politicians would&lt;br /&gt;
get involved in decisions that used to be left to the judiciary when&lt;br /&gt;
they condone plans to hold terrorism suspects for up to 42 days. Brown&lt;br /&gt;
doesn&amp;#39;t agree.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Vaz then suggests that the compensation arrangements proposed for&lt;br /&gt;
suspects detained for up to 42 days and subsequently released are&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;totally unworkable&amp;quot;. Brown points out that the full details have not&lt;br /&gt;
been published.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Vaz then asks Brown to confirm no one was offered &amp;quot;a peerage, a&lt;br /&gt;
knighthood or even the governorship of Bermuda&amp;quot; in exchange for their&lt;br /&gt;
vote. Brown laughs. &amp;quot;Not at all.&amp;quot;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;10.25am&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
They&amp;#39;re on to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/lords&quot;&gt;House of Lords&lt;/a&gt; now. &lt;strong&gt;Tony Wright&lt;/strong&gt;,&lt;br /&gt;
chairman of the public administration committee, says that he has spent&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;more time than is good for me&amp;quot; on House of Lords and that he is a bit&lt;br /&gt;
alarmed that the government is going to publish plans with a view to&lt;br /&gt;
not legislating until after the next election. Why can&amp;#39;t Brown deal&lt;br /&gt;
with some of the anomalies in the Lords now?
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Brown says the government will be publishing its plans &amp;quot;quite soon&amp;quot;. But he won&amp;#39;t commit himself to taking action soon.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Wright then asks about the English question. Brown says English&lt;br /&gt;
votes for English laws (shorthand for the Tory plan) would &amp;quot;split the&lt;br /&gt;
United Kingdom&amp;quot;. He goes on: &amp;quot;It would divide the UK fundamentally.&amp;quot;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Then Wright wants to know why the equalities bill will not cover the&lt;br /&gt;
royal family, which still practices &amp;quot;gender discrimination&amp;quot; and&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;religious discrimination&amp;quot; (in terms of who can ascend to the throne).&lt;br /&gt;
Brown says that to change these rules would involve getting agreement&lt;br /&gt;
from the rest of the Commonwealth.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;10.35am&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Winding up on the constitution, Beith suggests that the government&amp;#39;s&lt;br /&gt;
reforms don&amp;#39;t really amount to much, because he has not been prepared&lt;br /&gt;
to consider issues such as decentralising power, or fixed-term&lt;br /&gt;
parliaments.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Brown says that what really matters is that individual citizens feel&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;more empowered&amp;quot;. Referring to the forthcoming community empowerment&lt;br /&gt;
white paper, he says: &amp;quot;We are bringing forward proposals that will lead&lt;br /&gt;
to individuals having far more power to petition, far more power to&lt;br /&gt;
question, far more power to recall.&amp;quot;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Beith doesn&amp;#39;t seem to impressed. Being able to petition your council? Doesn&amp;#39;t sound very radical.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Brown also has slightly tetchy exchange with Cormack, who wants to know if he favours the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/scotland&quot;&gt;Scottish parliament&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
having more power. Brown says the Calman commission in Scotland is&lt;br /&gt;
looking into the affair. &amp;quot;Where do you stand?&amp;quot; Cormack asks. In vain.&lt;br /&gt;
Brown says it&amp;#39;s best to wait until the commission has reported.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
JACK STRAW&amp;#39;S PRESS RELEASE
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
MINISTRY OF JUSTICE&lt;br /&gt;
077-08                                                              3 July 2008 &lt;br /&gt;
Jack Straw welcomes a year of constitutional progress &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Justice Secretary Jack Straw today marked the one year anniversary of&lt;br /&gt;
the Government&amp;#39;s constitutional change programme and said the&lt;br /&gt;
progress made was a major step forward in renewing Britain&amp;#39;s&lt;br /&gt;
democracy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jack Straw, Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice, said:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Constitutional renewal may on the face of it seem a dry area, not&lt;br /&gt;
directly affecting our day to day lives. But in fact the issues we&lt;br /&gt;
have focused on in the last 12 months are helping to forge a new&lt;br /&gt;
relationship between government and citizen, and ensuring that power&lt;br /&gt;
is placed where it should be: with Parliament and therefore with the&lt;br /&gt;
people. I am delighted by the progress we have made, with more to&lt;br /&gt;
come.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;One year since we published the Governance of Britain Green Paper we&lt;br /&gt;
have consulted widely on a range of important constitutional&lt;br /&gt;
questions, including on Parliament&amp;#39;s role in decisions on the&lt;br /&gt;
deployment of the Armed Forces into conflict. I have introduced a&lt;br /&gt;
draft Constitutional Renewal Bill and we have established a Youth&lt;br /&gt;
Citizenship Commission.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&amp;quot;This builds on fundamental reforms carried out by the Government&lt;br /&gt;
since 1997 including devolution for Scotland, Wales and Northern&lt;br /&gt;
Ireland, the transformation of the role of the Lord Chancellor, the&lt;br /&gt;
introduction of a Supreme Court, the Human Rights Act and the Freedom&lt;br /&gt;
of Information Act.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In a statement to the House of Commons Mr Straw said that on 3 July&lt;br /&gt;
2007 the Prime Minister set out a route map for further&lt;br /&gt;
constitutional reform, to strengthen the relationship between&lt;br /&gt;
government, Parliament and the citizen, and to take steps towards a&lt;br /&gt;
new constitutional settlement.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mr Straw said renewing our democracy is at the heart of the reforms,&lt;br /&gt;
building a new relationship between citizens and government and&lt;br /&gt;
ensuring that the rights of individuals are respected.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He continued that the Government is committed to surrendering or&lt;br /&gt;
limiting powers which it considers should not, in a modern democracy,&lt;br /&gt;
be exercised exclusively by the executive.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It has carried out consultations on Parliament&amp;#39;s role in decisions&lt;br /&gt;
relating to the deployment of the Armed Forces into armed conflict&lt;br /&gt;
and the ratification of treaties, the role of the Attorney General,&lt;br /&gt;
government&amp;#39;s role in judicial appointments, protest around Parliament&lt;br /&gt;
and the flying of the Union Flag.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Alongside the responses to the Government&amp;#39;s 2004 consultation on the&lt;br /&gt;
Civil Service, these consultations informed the draft Constitutional&lt;br /&gt;
Renewal Bill and White Paper, which is now being considered by a&lt;br /&gt;
Joint Committee.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He said the draft Constitutional Renewal Bill contains important&lt;br /&gt;
measures to strengthen Parliament and make government more&lt;br /&gt;
accountable to the people it serves.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He added the Government also wants Parliament to have the right to&lt;br /&gt;
take the final decision about committing armed forces in to conflict.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Government is committed to rebalancing power between Parliament&lt;br /&gt;
and government, and giving Parliament greater ability to hold&lt;br /&gt;
government to account.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is also vital that our institutions are legitimate, trusted and&lt;br /&gt;
responsive to the people they serve.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mr Straw said the Government believes that a clearer understanding of&lt;br /&gt;
the common core of rights, responsibilities and values that go with&lt;br /&gt;
British citizenship will help build our sense of shared identity and&lt;br /&gt;
social cohesion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In addition, Lord Goldsmith&amp;#39;s Review of Citizenship was launched on 5&lt;br /&gt;
October 2007 and reported to the Prime Minister in March 2008.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Constitutional renewal in the UK is a long-term dialogue, Mr Straw&lt;br /&gt;
said, and in the coming months:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;* The Government will publish a White Paper setting out proposals for&lt;br /&gt;
fundamental reform of the House of Lords, and&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;* Communities and Local Government will publish a White Paper setting&lt;br /&gt;
out the Government&amp;#39;s proposals to empower individuals and communities&lt;br /&gt;
by involving them in the design and delivery of local public services&lt;br /&gt;
and promoting civic and democratic life.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Notes to editors&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. The Governance of Britain Green Paper was published on 3 July&lt;br /&gt;
2007. A copy can be found at&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.officialdocuments.gov.uk/document/cm71/7170/7170.asp.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2. The Governance of Britain website can be seen at&lt;br /&gt;
http://governance.justice.gov.uk/.
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