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&lt;strong&gt;Patrick Corrigan, (Amnesty Blogs: &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.amnesty.org.uk/blogs.asp?bid=25&quot;&gt;Belfast and Beyond&lt;/a&gt;):&lt;/strong&gt; Will Northern Ireland&amp;#39;s (non-DUP) Lords help restore Northern Ireland&amp;#39;s Westminster reputation when the Government&amp;#39;s counter-terrorism Bill comes to the upper house tomorrow? When the government won the vote at the Bill&amp;#39;s first reading in the Commons by just nine votes, the chamber rang with jeers and furious cries of &amp;#39;shame&amp;#39; directed at the DUP MPs who had just voted with Brown after an eleventh hour private meeting with the PM.
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It has been widely speculated (but denied by the parties involved) that&lt;br /&gt;
some sort of deal (a peerage for Paisley? profits from army base&lt;br /&gt;
sell-off?) was done behind those closed doors. Or to put it in the&lt;br /&gt;
biblical style beloved of so many DUP politicians, many of us believe&lt;br /&gt;
that our birthright was sold for a mess of potage.
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There are fifteen non-DUP peers from Northern Ireland. Amnesty has&lt;br /&gt;
written to them all asking them to stand up for human rights and vote&lt;br /&gt;
against the Bill. Ulster Unionists Lords, Maginnis, Rogan and Laird&lt;br /&gt;
have already publicly indicated their intention to vote against the&lt;br /&gt;
government – and contrary to the way in which the party&amp;#39;s sole MP,&lt;br /&gt;
Sylvia Hermon, voted in the Commons.
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There are clear indications that the Lords will offer rather more&lt;br /&gt;
opposition than the more-easily whipped Commons. In the wake of the&lt;br /&gt;
Commons vote, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4116618.ece&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;This link will open in a new window&quot; class=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Peter Riddell in The Times&lt;/a&gt; gave a fairly cold assessment of the Bill&amp;#39;s chances when it reaches the Lords.
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&amp;quot;&lt;em&gt;There is virtually no chance of the House of Lords approving&lt;br /&gt;
the Bill to extend precharge detention to 42 days in its present form.&lt;br /&gt;
The Lords prides itself on defending civil liberties and it has amended&lt;br /&gt;
several counter-terrorism Bills since 2001.&amp;quot;&lt;/em&gt;
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Lord Dear, a former chief inspector of police, has called 42 days a &amp;quot;propaganda coup for al-Qa&amp;#39;eda&amp;quot;. He is quoted by retired &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Collins_%28soldier%29&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;This link will open in a new window&quot; class=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Colonel Tim Collins&lt;/a&gt;, late of the Royal Irish Regiment, writing in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/07/03/do0304.xml&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;This link will open in a new window&quot; class=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Daily Telegraph&lt;/a&gt;. He draws on the lessons of Northern Ireland for his analysis:
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&lt;em&gt;&amp;quot;My experience of fighting terrorists in Northern Ireland was in&lt;br /&gt;
support of – not undermining – a justice system that enforced UK law.&lt;br /&gt;
Sometimes that meant watching murderers go free. &lt;/em&gt;
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&lt;em&gt;That turns a soldier&amp;#39;s stomach. But the propaganda lesson was&lt;br /&gt;
clear: two wrongs don&amp;#39;t make a right. Injustices – most obviously&lt;br /&gt;
internment – only maintained the friendly sea of support for terrorism,&lt;br /&gt;
in which those same murderers could operate even more freely. &lt;/em&gt;
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&lt;em&gt;Arbitrary measures generate a downward spiral that ends in hell for&lt;br /&gt;
everyone. That&amp;#39;s the game of action-reaction the terrorists want us to&lt;br /&gt;
play.&amp;quot;&lt;/em&gt;
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The day after the 42-days vote, the PM told an angry Commons that no deal had been done with the DUP, saying:
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&lt;em&gt;&amp;quot;Nobody knows more about the dangers of terrorism in the United Kingdom than people who come from Northern Ireland.&amp;quot;&lt;/em&gt;
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Of course, different Northern Irish people draw different lessons from&lt;br /&gt;
history. Belfast man Tim Collins reckons that he for one was paying&lt;br /&gt;
attention. He rounds off his Telegraph article with a taunt to the PM: &lt;em&gt;&amp;quot;42&lt;br /&gt;
days&amp;#39; detention without charge is a step in the wrong direction. It&lt;br /&gt;
places the bitter experience of those such as myself … in the bin. &lt;/em&gt;
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&lt;em&gt;Mr Brown&amp;#39;s Government might one day yet wish to revisit what we learnt. After all, we won our war.&amp;quot;&lt;/em&gt;
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Tomorrow will tell us if the Northern Irish peers draw the same lessons from recent history.
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