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A crucial question which the Russia&lt;br /&gt;
Foreign Ministry has to answer is why it is not withdrawing its troops from all&lt;br /&gt;
of Georgia&lt;br /&gt;
except for Abkhazia and South Ossetia where it has its so called&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;peace keepers&amp;quot;. The longer Russian troops stay in Georgia&lt;br /&gt;
proper (in the vicinity of Poti, Gori etc.), the less tenable its arguments become, even for those who would like to believe them. I.C.  
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Russia has shown that it is not a credible Peace Keeping force in either South Ossetia or Abkhazia.  By advancing into Georgia from South Ossetia. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Additionally they advanced into Georgia  from Abkhazia which was not part of the initial events prior to the Russian incursion into Georgia.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Abkhazia decided to take advantage of the conditions in South Ossetia, Russia as a &quot;Peace Keeper&quot; was bound to quell the violence.  Instead Russia took advantage of the situation and invaded Georgia.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Russia needs to return to the Pre-August lines and and  be replaced by a UN Peace Keeping force.  There is troubled history between the various factions inside Georgia and their breakaway regions.  None of the factions are without fault in the dispute, however with Russia as a biased power involved the stakes are global.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the eventual state is a breakup of the current Georgia borders, there are issues regarding Ethnic Cleansing of Georgians out of the disputed areas.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ethnic Georgians have been expelled or killed from both Abkhazia and South Ossetia.  Leaders from the breakaway areas have indicated that they will not let the Ethnic Georgians return to their property.  There have been numerious reports of looting and distruction of property.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Any resolution without considering the rights of Ethnic Georgians within South Ossetia and Abkhazia will result in conflict in the future.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Peaceful transitions always result in stable healther enviroments that transitions by force.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;
Each
fresh war in which the army of the new Russia takes part provokes an
increasingly mixed public reaction inside the country. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Most
socially active citizens did not support the first Chechen War. But they were
far more accepting of the government&amp;#39;s action when it came to the second
Chechen War. This is explained by changes that were taking place within Russian
society. The authorities were starting to exert more control over television, for
a start, although at that time not all of it. People were also more worried by what
they had seen of the activities of Chechen separatists in Chechnya, and the
significance of this for neighbouring territories. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Today,
further changes on the domestic front, and the fact that the mass media has
been brought under complete control has resulted in attitudes to the present war
being still more complicated, even among those who were concerned by the second
Chechen war.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Competing conspiracy theories&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Those
with a one-sided view, for or against, mirror one another in the way they
substitute hysterics for discussion. They have fallen prey to one of the worst
intellectual sins - simplification. Two conspiracy theories are doing the
rounds at the moment. The first has it that Georgia is being manipulated by the
Americans (or more broadly, by the West), and that recent events amount to a
declaration of war by the USA against Russia. According to the other, no less
paranoid, Georgia is being manipulated by Russia, and was  provoked into military engagement, either by
shootings, or by being misinformed that Russia would not respond to an attack,
while in fact our country was preparing for war.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Both
theories have some foundations, and they are well known. On the one hand, there
were the supplies of weapons, training, and the not entirely impartial position
of the USA etc. On the other hand, there was the relatively fast deployment of
the 58th army, the provocations which really did take place etc.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
But
neither theory quite adds up. The USA has nothing to gain from a conflict in the
South Caucasus. Saakashvili&amp;#39;s actions did not accord with the recommendations he
was given. And if the Americans had been looking for ways of escalating the
conflict, they would not have weakened contact with Tbilisi at the vital moment.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
From
an emotional point of view, the US reaction is understandable: not long before
the election, one of the few seemingly successful foreign projects of the
administration has been tarnished. Because of the destruction of
infrastructure, malfunction of weapons etc., American tax payers have lost
money. And the training which the Georgian army underwent did not prepare it to
survive the kind of engagement which took place. None of this was meant to
happen.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
But
the theory of Russian provocation does not add up either. What exactly was so
suspicious? Was it the fact that Vladimir Putin went to Beijing, while Dmitry
Medvedev went on holiday to the Volga? Saakashvili was also planning to go to
Beijing. Was it the shootings in South Ossetia?
No, there had been intense shooting in the days running up to the events, and
sporadic shooting for years. Was it the fact that the Russian army was better
prepared for the operation than many expected? Yes, although not everything went
smoothly. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
There
were grounds, too, for that  ‘peace enforcement&amp;#39;
training that was recently conducted to the north of the Roki tunnel. There was
nothing secret about it, any more than there was about the Georgian-American
training, it was all there in the press. But what&amp;#39;s more, the Russian military
and some politicians had kept saying that Georgia was planning a military
operations. We did not put much credence in these reports, believing not just that
the Georgian leadership speaks with many tongues, but that they must realise all
too clearly that they stood to gain nothing by war. Again, we know too that their
advice from overseas was to keep even the provocative rhetoric down.  
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Both
the Russian and the Georgian sides are not homogenous, and ‘war parties&amp;#39; exist
in both camps. There have been ongoing provocations from both the Ossetian and
the Georgian side. But until recently there was a safety lock on the trigger. Then
the Georgians took off that safety lock. Why? There have not yet been any
sensible explanations. And if the absence from Moscow of both heads of state did
play some role in this decision, we should also take into account that the
American advisor was not there. Nor should we forget that in the battle for the
Georgian leadership (and the Russian too) both sides had something to gain from
a possible deterioration of relations between Russia and the West.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h3&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Beginning of the end&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Even
before the active phase of operations was declared over last Tuesday, shootings
on both sides already seem to have dropped to a minimum. But this declaration
did not lead to an immediate ceasefire, or to the immediate withdrawal of
Russian troops from the territory of Georgia. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The
Abkhaz exploited the situation and its allied obligations and, with the clear
connivance of Russian peacekeepers, established military control over the
entire former Soviet territory of Abkhazia. In the process they forced out the Georgian
forces which had established themselves there, as also the police, the Abkhaz
government in exile, and local Svani residents.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
In
South Ossetia, local Georgian residents also seem to have been forced out.
Furthermore, judging by the comments of the leaders of this unrecognised entity,
this was deliberate. It seems that the other side had similar plans, judging by
the name given to the operation they began on the night of 8 August: Operation
Clean Land.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
We
should remember that back in the early 1990s, both sides threatened to take
each other to court (Russia was not involved at the time), but that this did
not result in any action being taken. Perhaps this was because, beyond the
political rhetoric, they both appreciated that such accusations were double-edged.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;What next?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Even
before the documents were signed, things started happening. The Russian
president promised to begin the withdrawal of troops on Monday. On the same
day, an attempt will be made to put all this through a resolution of the UN Security
Council.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
At
that forum, the agreed principles will probably be differently interpreted. The
Russian leadership will probably read them like this:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
§  Russian peacekes
will remain in both unrecognised republics,
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
§  Georgians will not
return to South Ossetia,
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
§  the contingent of
observers from the OSCE in South Ossetia will increase (remember that Georgia has
pushed for this for a long time, but the authorities of the self-proclaimed
formation hindered this, and are now against international observers) and
perhaps from the UN in Abkhazia,
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
§  the appearance of
any other peacekeepers in conflict zones is only possible with the agreement of
the de facto authorities of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
They
will understand this to mean that Georgia does not have the right to vote on
peacekeepers in these regions - and so its uncompleted withdrawal from the
Dagomyss agreements on South Ossetia should be discounted from these
negotiations. The same will go for the withdrawal of peacekeeping agreements on
Abkhazia and the withdrawal from the CIS, under whose the aegis the operation
is being carried out. A swift withdrawal from the CIS is anyway impossible.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This
interpretation is unlikely to be acceptable to other major players, since
Russia is more than ever now a party in the conflict. Nor will the
interpretation of the governments of the unrecognised states within Georgia be
acceptable. If Russia, rather than agreeing to compromise, insists on running
the peacekeeping, this will lead to the stationing on Georgian territory of some
kind of buffer force, either from NATO or some ‘coalition of the willing&amp;#39;. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The
best that can be hoped is that Russia will be prepared to return as soon as
possible to something like the role of an intermediary, though this is hardly
likely to happen quickly. Our government will have to recognise the need to
reach compromise by accepting, for example,  a contingent under the aegis of the UN from countries
to which neither Russia nor Georgia feels particularly hostile.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h3&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Managing South Ossetia&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The
&lt;em&gt;de facto&lt;/em&gt; leadership of South Ossetia
is another issue which needs resolving, along with that of all armed groupings,
including the so-called peacekeepers.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Fortunately,
one area where the neutrality of Russian armed forces was demonstrated was in
putting a halt to the looting of Georgian villages in South Ossetia from which
Georgian forces had withdrawn, as well as Ossetian villages. It is a pity that
the need for this was not recognised and undertaken earlier. That it was at all
is probably partly thanks to reports and appeals by Human Rights Watch
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Clearly,
any actions by people in the territories controlled by Russian troops
(peacekeepers and the additional contingent) are our responsibility. We are
responsible simply by dint of having sent troops into these areas, as also
because large numbers of the people in these territories have crossed the
Russian border to get there. Where they were going was well known. The decision
about whom to let through and whom not could only have been political.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The
withdrawal of Russian troops from Georgian territory cannot be carried out until
all these parties are removed. And when they return to Russia, they should be
greeted not with lavish receptions but with investigations into the crimes committed
against individuals, property etc. In general, the actions of the republic&amp;#39;s &lt;em&gt;de facto&lt;/em&gt; leadership needs to be carefully
analysed. Here, as in most of the unrecognised states on the territory of the
CIS, the relationship between the criminal world and government is even closer
than in the recognised countries of the CIS. One partial exception is Negron
Karabakh, which is too closely tied with Armenia. Certain steps towards redressing
this situation have also been made in Abkhazia since the presidential
elections.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
If
we are going to call for the Georgian president to be tried for war crimes, it will
be hard for us at the same time to be embracing the South Ossetian leadership,
which welcomed the ethnic cleansing of their territory.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
We
will also need to sort out which channels for distributing humanitarian aid to
South Ossetia are more or less reliable, and which are not.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h3&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Unclear military aims&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The
delay in the withdrawal of Russian troops caused noticeable irritation even among
Western leaders whose relationship with Russia is good. This is understandable.
The longer these events went on, the more doubtful the presence and strange manoeuvres
of Russian troops in Georgia appeared. No one explained to the world clearly what
was happening, and they should have done. Was it about dealing with looters?
Then they should have been removed. Were they protecting stockpiles of abandoned
weapons? If so, why were these weapons abandoned? Was it because Georgian
troops retreated, in order to avoid a clash with Russian troops. If so, why did
Russian troops need to advance outside South Ossetia? Were they required to
dismantle firing positions aimed at South Ossetia? This would be a very
sensible explanation. But if this were the case what needed to be done? Destroy
military positions? Remove weapons? If so,
then this should have been explained. And these explanations should have been
made by an international lawyer, not a spokesman from the army&amp;#39;s General
Staff.  What is at issue here is the very
justification for our actions in depriving Georgia of the means with which to fight.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
However,
some of our actions do not quite fit into this reasoning. You get the feeling
that the military aims were not only not formulated openly. They were not
formulated at all.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h3&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Building our collective security&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
On
Tuesday the heads of NATO&amp;#39;s foreign ministries will hold an emergency meeting
about the situation in Georgia. The meeting was called by the USA. You get the
feeling that if part of Russia&amp;#39;s political elite, and its most popular media
are trying to portray the West as an enemy, something similar has happened in
the West. Leaders in the USA and several other NATO countries, finding themselves
unable to prevent the idiocy committed by the Georgian leadership, faced with the
somewhat delayed response of Russia, appear to have come up with no better
option than to force a confrontation. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The
reaction of Poland and those countries which have historical grounds to fear a
possible danger from Russia is understandable. Although we have no empire now,
and the Soviet Union is no more, our country has to some extent carried on in
the same tradition. What&amp;#39;s more, it has just shown that it is prepared to use
force against one of its neighbours. Where the fault lies is beside the point: whether
it stole or was stolen from, it leaves a bitter taste in the mouth. Goodness
knows, Russia is large enough,  and if it
allows itself to attack others... But modern politics should be more rational.
It should pay attention to the reason and circumstances for the attack. Only
then can we start talking about the ‘limits of self-defense.&amp;#39; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Here
too, we have leapt to the wrong conclusions, as we did in our attempts at
communicating Russia&amp;#39;s point of view to our western partners. Rather than
launching more channels, hiring PR people and activating some media provocateurs
we need to learn to speak the same language. We need to decide to communicate
and work together more, rather than less. The work of joint institutions is not
a present from Russia, or from the West. It is a means of cooperation beneficial
to both parties. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
We
need to reach a formula which will bind both sides, NATO and Russia, not to engage
in activities that cause anxiety to the other party. We should not be thinking
about cutting back on our collective security, but how to consolidate it into a
system of written agreements, a system of effective international response.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Where
was the international body that could effectively have stopped Georgia&amp;#39;s
aggression against part of its territory where its sovereignty was limited,
according to international agreements? To whom was Russia supposed to transfer the
care of its peacekeepers and civilians in a zone where it is responsible for
them? What matters is that any delays do not lead to a situation where the
territory of South Ossetia is purged of Ossetians. A South Ossetia without
either Georgians or Ossetians would be unacceptable. And any attempt to talk
about collective ethnic responsibility would amount to fascism. Whatever is
required must be done to ensure that these scenarios do not take place.  
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The
call for Russia to be isolated is a call for Russia to isolate itself - and
vice versa. Here our isolationists are close allies of western supporters of
containment. Their joint efforts will bring the world to a cold war, if not to full-blown
war. To ensure that this does not happen, some topics should be forbidden,
including proud statements that there will be no compromise (Saakashvili).
Everything should be discussed. Politicians are distinguished from demagogues
by their readiness to reach a sensible compromise.
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