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 <description>&lt;p&gt;PARIS (AFP) — France announced Monday it will beef up its mission in Afghanistan with helicopters, drones and other military means amid debate over whether 10 French soldiers killed there were poorly equipped.&lt;br /&gt;
Prime Minister Francois Fillon said France had &amp;quot;learned the lessons&amp;quot; from last month&amp;#39;s Taliban ambush that left 10 soldiers dead and 21 wounded, the country&amp;#39;s worst military losses in 25 years.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;We have decided to strengthen our military means in the areas of air mobility, intelligence and support,&amp;quot; said Fillon at the opening of a parliament debate on whether to keep French troops in Afghanistan.&lt;br /&gt;
The National Assembly voted in favour of continuing the mission, with the majority from President Nicolas Sarkozy&amp;#39;s right-wing party easily overriding objections from the Socialists.&lt;br /&gt;
The Senate, also dominated by the ruling right, followed suit later, with a 209-119 vote in favour.&lt;br /&gt;
Fillon said transport and attack helicopters, drones, surveillance equipment, mortars and 100 additional troops necessary for the beefed-up operation will be deployed.&lt;br /&gt;
The reinforcements will be in place in a few weeks, he added.&lt;br /&gt;
But the prime minister denied a report in Canada&amp;#39;s Globe and Mail newspaper that the 30 French soldiers were no match for the better-equipped and trained Taliban fighters who attacked them on August 18 in the mountains east of Kabul.&lt;br /&gt;
The newspaper quoted a secret NATO report stating that the paratroopers had run out of ammunition after only 90 minutes and had only one radio that was quickly knocked out, leaving them unable to call in air support.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;The reality is cruel enough without adding lies and disinformation,&amp;quot; Fillon said.&lt;br /&gt;
There was no loss of radio contact and the troops were &amp;quot;always able to respond&amp;quot; to Taliban firepower, he added.&lt;br /&gt;
Both NATO and the French military denied the existence of any such report, saying the newspaper was referring to a leaked email sent by an officer to NATO command in Kabul that gave a partial account of the ambush.&lt;br /&gt;
France&amp;#39;s armed forces chief of staff Jean-Louis Georgelin said it came from a member of a US special forces unit that was patrolling with the French troops before the ambush.&lt;br /&gt;
The mountain ambush was the deadliest ground attack on international troops since they were sent to Afghanistan in 2001 to oust the hardline Taliban regime.&lt;br /&gt;
The National Assembly approved by a vote of 343 to 210 a motion to maintain the 2,600-strong French contingent in Afghanistan, one of the largest serving in the NATO-led mission.&lt;br /&gt;
Socialist minority leader Jean-Marc Ayrault said France was being dragged into a &amp;quot;war of occupation&amp;quot; although he acknowledged that it could not &amp;quot;suddenly disengage from Afghanistan.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
About 70,000 international troops -- 40,000 of them under NATO command -- are helping Afghans fight the Taliban who were ousted from Kabul in a US-led invasion launched after the September 11, 2001 attacks.&lt;br /&gt;
Critics point to France&amp;#39;s involvement in Afghanistan as a worrying sign of French alignment with US policy under Sarkozy, who is considered pro-American compared to his predecessor Jacques Chirac.&lt;br /&gt;
Heightening concerns is the unstable situation in neighbouring Pakistan, where a suicide bomb attack at an Islamabad hotel killed 60 people on Saturday.&lt;br /&gt;
Fillon called on Pakistan to do more to secure control over the tribal areas bordering Afghanistan and said France wanted to &amp;quot;broaden its political and security relations&amp;quot; with Islamabad.&lt;br /&gt;
The prime minister also called on allies to redouble their efforts to avoid civilian casualties during attacks on the Taliban.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;A bomb must not create more enemies than it eliminates,&amp;quot; he said.&lt;br /&gt;
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What the&lt;br /&gt;
French president hopes to do and what does in reality happens is quite a&lt;br /&gt;
different story. France is guided by a blind men, the&lt;br /&gt;
president has opted for a falling system, which is the Anglo Saxon liberal&lt;br /&gt;
method. However in this disguised operation it is not the president who benefits&lt;br /&gt;
from this disaster but rather the businessmen of high ranking, such as&lt;br /&gt;
lagardere and the others. Unfortunately their plan has turned vinegary and&lt;br /&gt;
today they have lots the plot themselves.  The France of today is further from his goal&lt;br /&gt;
than what it was at the beginning of the 21 century, the reason for this is&lt;br /&gt;
that perception is absent, the government is persuaded that laws and propaganda&lt;br /&gt;
can make reality blend to his desires; once again at the moment France is&lt;br /&gt;
closer to a coconut nation than a leader of the EU. However the president has realized&lt;br /&gt;
that there is nothing he can do to fix the issue and he has opted for the Wall&lt;br /&gt;
Street blink, and is securing his future with the current economical elite. The&lt;br /&gt;
problem is that it is just the parvenus who are the real cancer of our&lt;br /&gt;
civilization. This Arnaults and pinaulds are just uncivilized they have no knowledge&lt;br /&gt;
at all, no nobility no class any education, and all they got is money, just new&lt;br /&gt;
rich plain and simple. And certainly the lack of grace pushes them to believe&lt;br /&gt;
in all that shines, which are the paparazzi cameras and the Jeff Koons giant oysters.&lt;br /&gt;
The result is a nation being turn into a land of idiots. The new bourgeois all&lt;br /&gt;
its got is money, reason why today the middle class is disappearing,&lt;br /&gt;
philosopher such as BHL and the rest are just as war mongers as saddam Hussein,&lt;br /&gt;
all they think about is themselves. In fact they have changed reality and have&lt;br /&gt;
inverted morals the truth is today a lie and a lie has become the truth. The future&lt;br /&gt;
looks closer to an orwellian animal farm than equality, fraternity and liberty. Democracy no&lt;br /&gt;
longer exist just a huge Mafiosi enterprise. Reason and logic have become&lt;br /&gt;
inoperative the only solution to this mayhem is progress, and not technological&lt;br /&gt;
progress but a real conscious evolution, a new way of reasoning and a newer&lt;br /&gt;
logic is what this nation needs if it hopes to pull it out in this 21 century.
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&lt;p&gt;
France is the latest western country to find
itself bogged down in the Afghan quagmire. It has paid a heavy price for its
engagement with the death of ten of its elite soldiers killed in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.afghanconflictmonitor.org/2008/08/taliban-kill-10.html&quot;&gt;ambush&lt;/a&gt; east of
Kabul on 18 August 2008 by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban. France had
previously had only a limited role in the Afghan conflict, training Afghan
soldiers or flying reconnaissance missions. This changed with the election of
Nicolas Sarkozy in 2007.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class=&quot;pullquote_new&quot;&gt;
Also in &lt;strong&gt;openDemocracy&lt;/strong&gt;
on the war in Afghanistan:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Antonio Giustozzi, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/conflicts/democracy_terror/neo_taliban&quot;&gt;The resurgence of the
neo-Taliban&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (14 December 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Paul Rogers, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/afghanistan-in-an-amorphous-war-0&quot;&gt;Afghanistan in an amorphous war&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (19 June 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Paul Rogers, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/afghanistan-state-of-siege-0&quot;&gt;Afghanistan: state of siege&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (10 July 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Kanchan Lakshman, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/india-in-afghanistan-a-presence-under-pressure-0&quot;&gt;India in Afghanistan: a presence
under pressure&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (11 July 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Paul Rogers, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/afghanistan-the-edge-of-calamity&quot;&gt;Afghanistan:
on the cliff-edge&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (26 August 2008)
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The former president Jacques Chirac - who had
agreed to send troops there after 9/11 - had all but lost hope in the
American-led war in 2006. During the 
presidential campaign of 2007, the then candidate (now president)
Nicolas Sarkozy had declared that &amp;quot;a long-term presence of French troops in
this part of the world does not seem decisive to me (...) There was a time
when, in order to help Mr. Karzai&amp;#39;s government, choices had to be made and the
president (Chirac) decided to repatriate our special forces and some other
units. This is a policy I will  follow&amp;quot;.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Yet Sarkozy reversed his stand after being
elected. He bowed to President Bush&amp;#39;s call for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.afghanconflictmonitor.org/2008/03/sarkozy-pledges.html&quot;&gt;more &lt;/a&gt;troops and announced that
the French forces in Afghanistan would jump to 3,000 - making them the fourth
largest &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.afghanconflictmonitor.org/2008/04/france-eyes-big.html&quot;&gt;contingent &lt;/a&gt;in the coalition - and would join the fight against the
Taliban. On 20 August -  in the wake of
the worst casualties &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.premier-ministre.gouv.fr/en/information/latest_news_97/tribute_to_the_ten_60829.html&quot;&gt;suffered&lt;/a&gt; by French soldiers in a single incident since
fifty-eight were killed by suicide-bombers in Beirut in 1983 - he justified his
decision: &amp;quot;Why are we there? Because it is where a large part of the world&amp;#39;s
freedom is being decided. This is the place where terrorism is being fought. We
are not there to fight against the Afghans but with them, not to leave them on
their own to fight the dark forces of barbarity&amp;quot;.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;The change&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
French public opinion was never opposed in
principle to sending troops overseas. They always clearly understood that there
was no such thing as a war without casualties; the American obsession with
body-bags was never there. So the decision to deploy troops in Afghanistan to
ferret out al-Qaida - taken jointly by then socialist prime minister Lionel
Jospin and conservative president Jacques Chirac - was supported by a national
consensus. (A wild rumour was even circulated that French special forces once
had Osama bin Laden in their line of sight but that the US command had ordered
them not to shoot.)
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Even in the period of France&amp;#39;s opposition to
George W Bush&amp;#39;s and Tony Blair&amp;#39;s war in Iraq, the French presence in
Afghanistan was never questioned, even if the efficiency of the United
States-led coalition&amp;#39;s strategy on the ground was. A clear difference was made
between an unacceptable war in Iraq and a necessary one against terrorism in
Afghanistan.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;span class=&quot;pullquote_new&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Patrice de Beer&lt;/strong&gt; is former London and
Washington correspondent for &lt;em&gt;Le Monde&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Among Patrice de Beer&amp;#39;s articles in &lt;strong&gt;openDemocracy&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/film/calle_sante_fe&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Calle Santa Fé: &lt;/em&gt;between Chile and freedom&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (16 January 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/sarkozy_and_god&quot;&gt;Sarkozy and God&amp;quot;&lt;/a&gt; (6 February 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/institutions/may_68_remember_or_forget&quot;&gt;May ‘68: France&amp;#39;s politics of
memory&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (28
April 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/nicolas-sarkozy-the-frenetic-leader&quot;&gt;Nicolas Sarkozy, the frenetic
leader&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (25
July 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;/article/china-and-the-olympics-a-view-from-france&quot;&gt;China and the Olympics: a view
from France&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (7 August 2&lt;/span&gt;The atmosphere started to change after
Sarkozy&amp;#39;s election in May 2007, beginning with a display of friendship towards a United States president
whom most French people loathed. This was part of a policy switch towards
Atlanticism, likewise anathema for the French since the days of Charles de
Gaulle. The new direction was reflected in the decision in June 2008 to rejoin Nato&amp;#39;s
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3420617,00.html&quot;&gt;integrated&lt;/a&gt; command after more than forty years and to send new troops to
Afghanistan. These measures broke a consensus that had long been at the core of
France&amp;#39;s foreign policy; the abandonment of France&amp;#39;s &amp;quot;splendid isolation&amp;quot;
without securing any influence on Washington&amp;#39;s foreign policies in return left
&amp;quot;Sarko&amp;quot; exposed to attacks by Gaullists on the right and socialists on the
left.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Sarkozy, who indeed has an ideological
affinity with American neo-conservatives, has gone further in siding with
Washington&amp;#39;s hard line on Iran;  his foreign minister and advocate of &amp;quot;humanitarian
intervention&amp;quot;, Bernard Kouchner, even (in September 2007) raised the &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6997935.stm&quot;&gt;possibility&lt;/a&gt; of war with
Tehran. His position is that France will be better heard if she &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/23/world/europe/23france.html&quot;&gt;pushes&lt;/a&gt; for her
views inside the tent - thus within Nato&amp;#39;s integrated command, for example -
than outside; and that solidarity with the United States is not a vain word
when the western world is threatened by fundamentalist terrorism. The opponents
of Sarkozy&amp;#39;s approach recognise the need to combat terrorism and the dire
consequences of a western retreat from Afghanistan, but argue that sticking to a
failed US strategy that ensures an endless war is not a sound policy.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;/author/Olivier_Roy.jsp&quot;&gt;
Olivier Roy&lt;/a&gt;, the best French expert on the
region, criticises Washington&amp;#39;s &amp;quot;ideologised&amp;quot; vision of the war which divides
Afghans in classic Manichean fashion into categories of good and evil. A better
strategy, he says, would be to try to play the two main Taliban groups against
each other in order to isolate the more extremist, al-Qaida-linked ones (as the
Americans have done, with a degree of success, in Iraq). Other analysts, such
as &lt;strong&gt;openDemocracy&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;#39;s columnist &lt;a href=&quot;/author/Paul_Rogers.jsp&quot;&gt;Paul
Rogers&lt;/a&gt;, point out that coalition air-strikes which so often have the effect of
killing civilians also harden the heart and minds of Afghans &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hurstpub.co.uk/bookdetails.asp?book=301&quot;&gt;against &lt;/a&gt;foreign forces, and are likely to increase
support for the Taliban.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This strategic context helps
explain why the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jamestown.org/news_details.php?news_id=346&quot;&gt;incident&lt;/a&gt; in which ten soldiers died persuaded more French
people (a total of 55% in one poll) to express &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.france24.com/en/20080904-military-presence-afghanistan-equipment-france-paris-match&amp;amp;navi=FRANCE&quot;&gt;opposition&lt;/a&gt; to a French military
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12010407&quot;&gt;presence&lt;/a&gt; in Afghanistan. This discontent is reflected in the refusal of the
defence secretary, Hervé Morin, to use the word &amp;quot;war&amp;quot; when questioned by MPs
(one of whom had fought in the French &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/cup_detail.taf?ti_id=4467&quot;&gt;colonial war &lt;/a&gt;in Algeria of 1954-62 and
had said bluntly that Afghanistan today reminded him of the &amp;quot;pacification&amp;quot; war
there).
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;The mismatch&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
An allied reason for Nicolas Sarkozy&amp;#39;s
military activism in Afghanistan is to strengthen what he sees as France&amp;#39;s
&amp;quot;leadership role in Europe&amp;quot;, especially in European defence. France has, he
says, &amp;quot;restored a relation of confidence with the American people and
leadership, and renovated our relations with the Atlantic alliance (...)
Because, when we are among our family, we have more leeway to discuss with the
others because they do not question where France stands&amp;quot;. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The French president is also explicit about his
aim of putting Paris at the political, economic and diplomatic  / defence helm of
the European Union. France&amp;#39;s six-month &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ue2008.fr/PFUE/lang/en/accueil&quot;&gt;presidency &lt;/a&gt;of the European Union (July-December 2008) is being used to implement that promise; the active role Sarko has adopted in the Russia-Georgia conflict - from brokering the initial ceasefire on 12 August 2008 to flying to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0910/p06s01-woeu.html&quot;&gt;Moscow&lt;/a&gt; and Tbilisi with senior EU colleagues on 8 September to reinforce the diplomatic process - is but one example (see &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12080142&quot;&gt;A deal, for now&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;, &lt;em&gt;Economist&lt;/em&gt;, 9 September 2008).
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This could well be a reason for the bungled anti-Taliban operation: to show that the French military, albeit few on the field, were better than the Americans and other allies (especially the British). If voluntarism and boldness can pay in politics, as Nicolas Sarkozy has shown several times, it is another story on the ground. The ten soldiers killed by the Islamic guerrillas - whose gruesome fate was brought even closer to their compatriots after shocking images were published in the magazine &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.parismatch.com/parismatch/dans-l-oeil-de-match/reportages/afghanistan-la-france-touchee-au-caeur/(gid)/49033&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Paris Match&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; - did all they could with what they had under instructions from their military and political hierarchy, thousands of miles away (see Katrin Bennhold, &amp;quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/04/europe/france.php&quot;&gt;Taliban bring the war home to France&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;, &lt;em&gt;International Herald Tribune&lt;/em&gt;, 4 September 2008). 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Such outcomers reveal the tensions in the president&amp;#39;s strategy. First, France&amp;#39;s international influence has been
weakened by an economic crisis where her budget deficit &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/18/business/EU-France-Economy.php&quot;&gt;approaches&lt;/a&gt; the permitted 3% ceiling
and her trade deficit is  gaping. Second,
her armed forces - though still among the strongest in western Europe - were
hit in June 2008 by a brutal &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/90a29448-3bcb-11dd-9cb2-0000779fd2ac.html&quot;&gt;downsizing&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The closure of 
redundant bases is necessary, but that saving money is not everything is
even more true in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iiss.org/whats-new/iiss-in-the-press/june-2008/french-military-plans-leave-questions-unanswered/&quot;&gt;field &lt;/a&gt;of defence. The military establishment - which
feels more and more estranged from a president with no military experience and,
apparently, no personal empathy with it - is worried that slashing over 50,000
personnel out of 300,000 will make it harder to fight overseas; particularly in
combat conditions as tough as in Afghanistan, which have nothing to do with
ordinary peacekeeping. The elite forces deployed there have complained about
obsolete body-armour, lack of helicopters and drones, missing artillery
support, and even having to buy some of their own equipment. In addition, the
two main training-camps for mountain-warfare, essential for soldiers sent to
Afghanistan, are due to close in 2009. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
No wonder the French are worried. It is not
always easy to be a medium-sized power with international ambitions when you
lack the means. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
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