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 <pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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 <title>busby seo test on &quot;Palinism - taking advantage of feminism for personal gain&quot;</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks.  A very nice piece. We could hope that Palinism would disappear back to Alaska, along with its perpetrator.  I fear though that that may not occur any time soon.  Once the election dust settles, we may see a good deal more of it as 2012 looms ahead.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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 <title>Rosemary Bechler on &quot;Palinism - taking advantage of feminism for personal gain&quot;</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;A message from the playwright, Sonja Linden:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would like to applaud your initiative in launching &#039;The Wrong Turn&#039;. Such thoughts have  been on my mind too, though  in a far less choate form.  [ I  have been ruminating for a couple of years on a play where five women meet up for the first time since they were in a feminist Consciousness Raising Group in the 70s and discover what has happened to their &#039;consciounesses&#039; in the interim. ]  The timing of your rallying cry is very pertinent - the understandably seductive euphoria over the wind of change heralded by the Obama victory seems  somewhat hollow when we realise how little change is likely to happen in that key area of human activity - the settling of differences.   The only change we are likely to see is that Mr Silver Tongue may have the capacity to jaw-jaw  in addition to  war-war.  How remarkable it is that  despite  all the technological advances of the  21st century,  our species still  seems entirely dependent on the elemental for  wealth and  power - oil, uranium, gold to name but  a few -   and the primal - our use of brute force -  to resolve conflicts. We would not of course expect President Elect Obama to suddenly  abandon this  primal male value  as part of his &#039;new deal&#039;  even if he wanted to, but is there anyone tugging at his sleeve or the sleeves of any leaders and warriors to seriously consider alternatives? I don&#039;t think so.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So where are the women, to echo your call ? And are they the force for jaw-jaw you are implying or hoping for? Or have they been seduced by Palinism  as per  Griffin&#039;s excellent contribution yesterday, and its belligerent false feminism.  Jaw-jaw at it most positive is what we &#039;wimmin&#039;  are supposed to be good at. Debased and belittled in the  pre-feminist era as a predilection  for tittle-tattle and gossip, this    &#039;female&#039;  honing of that key skill - verbal communication -  coupled with that other predeominantly &#039;female&#039; attribute - empathy -  are amongst the most valuable and sorely needed  assets in our strife-riven globalised world. It&#039;s time to sort the wheat from the chaff, true feminists from Palinists, and include under that category men who recognise the need for new ways to meet the challenge of the &#039;other&#039;, ways that do not entail  their  cold-blooded murder and that of their families.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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 <title>Terence Clarke on &quot;Palinism - taking advantage of feminism for personal gain&quot;</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Hello Susan:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks.  A very nice piece. We could hope that Palinism would disappear back to Alaska, along with its perpetrator.  I fear though that that may not occur any time soon.  Once the election dust settles, we may see a good deal more of it as 2012 looms ahead.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Best,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Terry Clarke&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;Palinism - taking advantage of feminism for personal
gain&lt;/strong&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;
Susan Griffin responds to &lt;a href=&quot;/article/the-swerve&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Wrong Turn&lt;/em&gt;...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
I think we
ought to memorialize Sarah Palin&amp;#39;s candidacy with a new word, &lt;em&gt;Palinism,&lt;/em&gt; to be defined as the practice
of taking advantage of feminism for personal gain without supporting the rights
of other women. (see also &lt;em&gt;opportunism&lt;/em&gt;.)
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Palinism&lt;/em&gt;
offers rich territory for understanding how so many years of discrimination
work to subvert and distort the most basic impulses women have. Within the
enthusiasm some women have shown for &lt;em&gt;Palinism,&lt;/em&gt;
particularly among those who are aligned with or to the right of Bill O&amp;#39;Reilly
and Phyllis Schafly and who until quite recently argued that women ought to
stay at home to raise their children, &lt;em&gt;Palinism&lt;/em&gt;
offers a way out of an old conundrum. 
When seeing women like Hillary Clinton out there speaking and achieving,
if despite their best intentions these women find themselves wanting an equal
right to participate in world affairs, they find that with &lt;em&gt;Palinism&lt;/em&gt;, a woman can have her cake and eat a substantial slice of
it too.  Just like Sarah Palin, as they
defend all the fundamental tenets of male domination, including an opposition
to abortion, they can work in tandem with men who favor domination and might
over others, be they people, nations or other creatures. So these women will
not have to relinquish the protection they believe that white fathers give
them. They can be safe and adventurous (or mavericky), obedient and powerful,
helpmates and in the limelight, all at the same time.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
But there will
be more chapters, believe me, in this story. We are already seeing one of them
evolve. A little taste of power can be addictive. Especially when the brew is
not diluted by any philosophies that preach equality. Pretty soon, many helpmates
who perform on a big stage will want their own shows. Palin herself has acted
out this chapter already in fact, as a helpmate to a male mayor and then a male
governor, both of whom she replaced in short order.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
And that
brings me to the beauty queen part. I don&amp;#39;t fault Sarah for being beautiful.
And would I like more beauty queens to enter politics. You betcha! And do I
feel sorry for the long line of dead ducks she&amp;#39;s left behind her on her
ambitious trail? Nope. And here&amp;#39;s why. Do you think these guys would have given
a woman with less appealing physical attributes the leg up (excuse the pun)
they gave to Sarah? As far as I&amp;#39;m concerned, they&amp;#39;ve all been hoisted on their
own petards. And do I fault Sarah for using her beauty? Nope, not at all.(Though
I do question the $150,000 wardrobe her party paid for) But again, folks,
sisters, isn&amp;#39;t it feminism here again that is losing out, different (and wrong)
standards applied to us again? 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Don&amp;#39;t get me
wrong here. I think Sarah&amp;#39;s very, very smart. But she is not educated. And
she&amp;#39;s not very swift at thinking through a question logically either. She must
have fallen asleep during her civics and history classes. And this is a real
problem. I find it insulting to equate ignorance with where you are on the pay
scale. This is another rather unpleasant part of &lt;em&gt;Palinism&lt;/em&gt;. A &lt;em&gt;Palinist&lt;/em&gt;
candidate pulls off a skilled impersonation of the way a working or middle
class person thinks and talks, while at the same time promulgating policies
that favor the rich over ordinary people. In Sarah&amp;#39;s case she grew up talking
that way, then learned to use her &amp;quot;gs&amp;quot; when it seemed to help her career. After
becoming a millionaire and a governor, and then running for VIP of the USA, Sarah
re-introduced and perfected her woman of the people parlance.           
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Do you feel
yanked around by this? I do.           
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
My Dad was a
firefighter. And by the way, he would not have liked to be called &amp;quot;Walt the
fireman&amp;quot; as if he were a cartoon figure like &amp;quot;Bob the builder.&amp;quot; He was a three
dimensional sort of guy, with a range of ideas and dreams like the rest of us.
As a kid I used his working class grammar until my grandmother taught me
another way of thinking. I will forever feel a great ambivalence toward that.
Grateful that I learned to speak in a way that would help me to go on to
college and become a writer. Sad for the subtle disdain toward my father that
shaded her lessons.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Now Obama has
been to Harvard and his oratorical skills show that. But boy am I glad both he
and Michelle are such good talkers. Why? Because both of them and Joe Biden
have put into words something that has been causing me great anguish over the
last eight or more years. How much ordinary people are suffering in America;
how bright kids without rich parents can&amp;#39;t go to college like I did now, how
young people like my daughter and son-in-law will be saddled for years with the
crushing debt they had to take on to go to school. How working people&amp;#39;s
salaries never rose with the profits so many made over the last decade even
though prices did. How more people are hungry now than I can remember. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
So I say
forget all the Palinist populist rhetoric. I don&amp;#39;t mind if you say &amp;quot;votin&amp;#39; &amp;#39;&amp;quot;
instead of &amp;quot;voting&amp;quot;, if you give us policies that help working and middleclass
people. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
And there is
one more thing. I suppose it&amp;#39;s predictable that &lt;em&gt;Palinism&lt;/em&gt; would have to include a fair share of the contemporary
version of McCarthyism. When what you promise isn&amp;#39;t all that appealing (or fair
or just) you can always call your opponents &amp;quot;reds&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;socialists&amp;quot; or say that
they &amp;quot;pal around with terrorists.&amp;quot;  Name
calling is an important element of &lt;em&gt;Palinism&lt;/em&gt;,
because, being driven more by ambition than common cause, Palinists lack a
coherent approach to our problems. Except for fear and hatred, they don&amp;#39;t have
much to give us, whoever we are, men or women, black, brown or white, rich or
poor: the message is really empty. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;/author/Susan_Griffin.jsp&quot;&gt;Susan Griffin&lt;/a&gt;&amp;#39;s
-- most
recent
book, &lt;em&gt;Wrestling with the Angel of Democracy, On Being an American Citizen&lt;/em&gt;, was published by
Trumpeter Press in April 2008. Susan Griffin is an author and social thinker, whose
writings on the historical fate of the female body (&lt;em&gt;Woman and Nature&lt;/em&gt;), pornography (&lt;em&gt;Pornography and
Silence&lt;/em&gt;),
and war (&lt;em&gt;A Chorus of Stones&lt;/em&gt;) combine the personal and the political in unusual
juxtaposition. 
&lt;/p&gt;
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