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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Having lived for long periods in two nations - one a developing country - both deeply affected politically, culturally, and economically by the United States, I find myself baffled by Chris&amp;#39;s argument, which gives the impression that it can only have been composed in an ivory tower, far  distant from the rockface of experience - the storms and avalanches  that assault those who live in its shadow. It is not arrogance or misplaced colonial hubris that drives the  emotional and intellectual  involvement of foreigners in US elections, but quite the opposite: an inability to influence US policies on the ground in one&amp;#39;s own country, a sense of having no voice in critical areas of  decision-making where the will of the US administration may distort or even override that of  national governments. Powerlessness and a concomitant desire to be democratically represented where it matters - in choosing the person who will be - as Americans like to say - leader of the free world are what inspire the desire of non-Americans to take &amp;quot;ownership&amp;quot; of the process. To have a leader for whom one has not been able to vote is not conspicuously democratic; and that, in a nutshell, is one of the paradoxes of the extreme concentration of power that the US embodies.  &amp;quot;When America sneezes,  we catch cold,&amp;quot; Canadians often observe. Mexicans tend to be more wistful: &amp;quot;Pobre Mexico, tan lejos de Dios y tan cerca de los Estados Unidos&amp;quot; (Poor Mexico, so far from God and so near to the United States). For an example of effective disenfranchisement  in Europe, we have only to look at the war in Iraq  where the UK&amp;#39;s role is fashioned by the US; or the deeply unpopular and potentially dangerous &amp;quot;deal&amp;quot; between the US and Polish governments to install a missile &amp;quot;defence&amp;quot; system on Polish soil. As the 2008 campaign got underway, I remarked to an American friend that this election was too important to leave to Americans. He understood perfectly even if Chris doesn&amp;#39;t. &amp;quot;I guess fundamentally you&amp;#39;re right,&amp;quot; he replied. Happily, this time the US electorate made the right choice.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;There are many bits an pieces of conversation from the past year that I recognise here, all tagged onto the civic whole that the oD office is...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am glad that Chris does end by recognising the legitimacy of one identity - the global citizen - that &quot;interferes&quot; , or feels &quot;ownership of&quot; the government of America. I agree with him that this does not currently have its proper political expression -- that there are channels of power that do not (yet) have corresponding channels of accountability.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Last Word? Time to get on with creating them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tony&lt;/p&gt;
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;
Why are we here and what is this micro-recorder doing, one of you asked on the way in. The reason I decided to invite you is that it seems we have spent most of the last two years obsessing about the United States presidential election. Now it&amp;#39;s approaching its climax, and afterwards everything will be different - including the nature of our conversation. So before letting go, I wanted to gather - on the day of the vote - to recall what it has been all been about for each of us non-Americans, and to explore and share our different perspectives one last time.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
What has it been for us? How are we involved? And what do we see when we look from &amp;quot;here&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;there&amp;quot;?&lt;span class=&quot;pullquote_new&quot;&gt;Also in &lt;strong&gt;openDemocracy&lt;/strong&gt; on the United States election:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;/usa&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;openUSA&lt;/a&gt; has published daily commentary and analysis of the 2008 election - both from the United States itself and around the world - and links to the best campaign coverage&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The current highlights include an &lt;a href=&quot;/usa&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;email exchange&lt;/a&gt; between KA Dilday and Anthony Barnett on the meaning of Barack Obama&amp;#39;s candidacy&lt;/span&gt;    
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;A change moment&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Ben&lt;/strong&gt;: What is has been is at its heart is three things. First, an inspiring and epic democratic contest for the position of the most powerful and influential leader in the world - the one with the most capacity to do good or ill.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Second, the American presidential race is the most exciting of all elections - a kaleidoscope of local and national competitions, personal dramas, opinion-poll trends, media surprises, displays of emotion and raw power. It really is – as the BBC correspondent &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7701877.stm&quot;&gt;says&lt;/a&gt; - &amp;quot;the greatest political show on earth&amp;quot;! 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Third, this particular race has been dominated and shaped by the involvement of Barack Obama. He is the most transformative figure to appear on the American political stage for decades. His voice, his story, his message - and the methods of his extraordinary campaign, including his use of new technologies to mobilise supporters and raise funds - have made this a historic election. Whatever happens on 4 November 2008, this is and will always be Barack Obama&amp;#39;s election. He has &lt;em&gt;already&lt;/em&gt; changed America.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
All these are reasons enough to be involved - because we are involved. This is a world story, our story, a 21st-century story; the equivalent of the one in my own country, South Africa, at the end of the 20th century. An epic, thrilling event which I fervently hope ends in the election of a president who represents the true - diverse and multiracial - America to the world, and because of that can begin to repair the terrible damage of the George W Bush years.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
It&amp;#39;s a privilege to be alive and part of it.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Rona&lt;/strong&gt;:
That&amp;#39;s a great blast of enthusiasm. It goes to the heart of what many
people feel, that this could be a sort of pivotal moment in history -
and not just in the United States. But it&amp;#39;s worth mentioning too that
this election isn&amp;#39;t free of the uglier realities that have disfigured
many of its predecessors and can&amp;#39;t be wished away. The
domination by money, and in grotesque amounts, is one - these bills are
going to have to be paid for! Many at every level choose or are forced
to make alliances and compromises with business and corporate
interests, which leads to them subordinating their progressive agendas.
Another notable factor is the language and tone of the campaign, which
have been full of distortions, smears and propaganda - not just in
political advertising but in much of the media (including new media).
It&amp;#39;s hard to see how this corresponds to the idea of a festival of
democracy. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
But it&amp;#39;s
true that Obama has risen above the worst of that and kept his cool and
dignity throughout - that is pretty impressive. He may not be the
messiah, but he is a very good boy. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Which side are you on?&lt;/strong&gt; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Chris&lt;/strong&gt;: There is
something that bothers me in Ben&amp;#39;s approach, which relates to what is
at stake when non-Americans choose to get engaged in an argument about
America from outside the country. This election &amp;quot;belongs&amp;quot; to citizens
of the United States in a way that it can never do to non-Americans.
It&amp;#39;s not our country - we are not citizens, we don&amp;#39;t have a vote. It is
huge expression of democracy, but it&amp;#39;s theirs, not ours. There is an
element of appropriation in the way some people (in the media and
political class especially) talk of this event, as if they want to
&amp;quot;own&amp;quot; it as much as the Americans themselves too. There are a few of
these in my native Norway, but many more it seems in London. This also
is a danger here of feeding the very narcissism and self-centredness
that will have to be overcome if America and the rest of the world are
to create a more balanced and healthy relationship. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Be&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;n&lt;/strong&gt;:
The obsession with America is un-American! Chris, what you seem to have
missed is that this is a world story. What was it Andrè Malraux said -
if it was he: that everyone in the world had two countries, his own and
France. Today and for a long time past it has surely been his own and
the United States - 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Rona&lt;/strong&gt;: Hers too, I hope...and maybe in the future it will be &amp;quot;and China&amp;quot;...?! 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Ben:&lt;/strong&gt;
Yes, and no! Because the US still has a claim to be - to use a phrase
that Obama insists on - &amp;quot;the last, best hope of mankind&amp;quot;. That is, a
country which can show others the image of a better future; play a
crucial role in settling their problems in the present; and in the
process of leading, find again the best of itself and move towards
fulfilling its own great ideals. Think
of any big issue you care to name - climate change, the world&amp;#39;s
financial crisis, global security, living with difference, Iraq and the
region, disarmament, sustainable and clean energy, China&amp;#39;s peaceful
integration, regional conflicts from Israel-Palestine to
Pakistan-Afghanistan to Sudan-Darfur. In every one, Washington&amp;#39;s
leadership and constructive involvement are vital to any chance of
progress. The US remains by far the strongest and wealthiest nation on
the planet, and it is underpinned by a political system - back to the
election again - that has an unprecedented capacity for renewal. All
this is even more important to recall after the corrosion inflicted on
the US during the catastrophic George W Bush years. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
These
realities would be relevant at any time, but it is also Barack Obama
that makes November 2008 such an extraordinary and - yes - hopeful
moment. No one questions that the US faces huge problems, both in its
domestic economy and in terms of its global position and profile. It
needs leadership that can both inspire the American people and
reconnect to those in the rest of the world. It is part of the
thrilling nature of this election that Obama&amp;#39;s remarkable qualities -
tested beyond measure by the pressure of the campaign, and displayed
with impressive character in response - have emerged at the exact time
when they, and he, are most needed. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This is
where the missing link in your attitude is plain. There isn&amp;#39;t an
appropriation as you call it - we are all involved, whether we like or
not. We are all part of a shared reality. To refuse engagement in these
circumstances is to abandon responsibility in face of the awful
retrogression of the last eight years, and its almost certain
continuation - and even worsening - in the next four if John McCain
were to be elected. A vote for Obama is a vote for the chance of
progress and repair, for hope and even a sort of redemption of past
sufferings and wounds. To stand aside from that choice would be an act
of selfishness and foolish pride. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This point was well made by one of Jonathan Freedland&amp;#39;s columns in the &lt;em&gt;Guardian&lt;/em&gt;, where he spoke of how important this election was to the world beyond America. As he &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/10/uselections2008.barackobama&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;wrote&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/a&gt;: 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&amp;quot;This
is the reaction I fear most. For Obama has stirred an excitement around
the globe unmatched by any American politician in living memory.
Polling in Germany, France, Britain and Russia shows that Obama would
win by whopping majorities, with the pattern repeated in Africa, Asia,
the Middle East and Latin America. If November 4 were a global ballot,
Obama would win it handsomely. If the free world could choose its
leader, it would be Barack Obama....If Americans reject Obama, they will
be sending the clearest possible message to the rest of us - and, make
no mistake, we shall hear it.&amp;quot; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Chris:&lt;/strong&gt;
This in fact was one of the most revealing columns I read all year, in
part because nowhere in it does the author acknowledge that the
election belongs first to the American people themselves. There isn&amp;#39;t
even an &amp;quot;also&amp;quot; in there. It&amp;#39;s an astounding example of what the
appropriation I refer to - as if the voters are nothing more than a
stage-army assigned to their place in a preferred global outcome. It
leaves an overpowering sense of this hunger to write yourself into
someone else&amp;#39;s story - and to assimilate the rest of the world to
yourself. It is classic colonialism. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Rona&lt;/strong&gt;: Didn&amp;#39;t the &lt;em&gt;Guardian&lt;/em&gt;
get involved even more directly in the 2004 election, when it tried to
persuade people in a swing area of Ohio to vote for John Kerry, and got
blasted by citizens there in the process? You would think it would have
learned its lesson... 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Ben&lt;/strong&gt;:
This is different. It&amp;#39;s a writer making a case - including to American
readers - for the importance of the election to the rest of the world.
It&amp;#39;s not someone else&amp;#39;s election. Remember 9/11 - &amp;quot;we are all Americans
now&amp;quot;? That is as true today. Chris&amp;#39;s argument sounds to me like a very
circumlocutory way of avoiding taking a stand - and a stand for the
right (that is, the liberal-left) and for the passionately reasonable.
Indeed, as the scientist Lawrence Krauss says, this is about reason
against unreason. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Rona&lt;/strong&gt;: Which side are you on! That takes me back to my Scottish roots...  
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Chris&lt;/strong&gt;:
It&amp;#39;s important to be clear about what is not being said here. Everyone
has the right to think and feel what they want about politics and
elections in every country under the sun - or any other subject. I&amp;#39;m
addressing a specific attitude of &amp;quot;ownership&amp;quot; of a reality that it is
not the subject&amp;#39;s to own. There is a presumptive arrogance at work,
which entails a sort of cancelling of others&amp;#39; subjectivity even as it
putatively celebrates it. To &amp;quot;stand aside&amp;quot; as you put it is also to
maintain a distanced respect for others&amp;#39; integrity and complexity. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This is not
pedantry - it goes to the heart of the contemporary and evolving world,
a world of irreducible plurality, multiplicity, diversity and true
equality on the level of individuals and civic-national (and other)
collectivities. To make that coming world a reality, to situate
ourselves truthfully within it, we have to understand the ways that it
will be both unified and bounded. The combination of solidarity (not
ownership) and respect for boundaries (not indifference) is the
beginning of freedom as well as wisdom here. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Rona&lt;/strong&gt;: You&amp;#39;ve lost me. What has this to do with Obama?  
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Chris&lt;/strong&gt;: The links and the bonds are real. Americans are also citizens of the world, part of a shared humanity. But that is not &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt;
they are. They are also citizens of a country with its own reality,
integrity, and they are most responsible for its life and betterment.
The danger is that the foreign partisans flatten these two distinct
elements.The
claim to a shared ownership - which is denied by the reality of
(nationally defined) citizenship - is costless. It may be satisfying to
you but it can be overbearing to the other - and even when it is
indulgent, as with members of a shared political &amp;quot;tribe&amp;quot;, it is full of
subtleties that are so rarely articulated, in part because the eagerness of zealotry closes down space for this. In neither case does it do good. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
What is
going on here is a form of vicarious identification that is shot
through with bad faith. In this it as unhealthy as when it is applied
to (say) Palestinians or Venezuelans or Tibetans or Muslims. Americans
are no different from these peoples, to relate truthfully as an
outsider to them requires the same degree of care and self-awareness
and attention to complexity. No one benefits from fellow-travelling.
It&amp;#39;s fundamentally a religious attitude - and its inner logic indeed
tends towards conversion (that is, apply for citizenship - and thus
earn the right to join the national conversation). 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The
claim of shared ownership also tends relentlessly to the reductive; its
strange fruit is to caricature or denigrate American who don&amp;#39;t belong
to your side - even when they are expressing their own citizenship
choice in their own country. If an election belongs to non-Americans
outside the country as much as to Americans themselves, then there is a
presumption that those who do not have a vote or pay taxes or
participate in civil society or contribute in any way to the life of
the country don&amp;#39;t need to listen to or take account of those of its
citizens who take a different view of the world. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
A number of academics have highlighted the increasing sectarianism of
America&amp;#39;s political geography, a trend that is reinforced (as Matt
Bai&amp;#39;s book points out) by net-based political mobilisation. All very
exciting too to people from abroad who might want a piece of the action
- but it&amp;#39;s not clear how constructive this form of partisan engagement
from the outside can be. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;There and here&lt;/strong&gt; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Rona&lt;/strong&gt;:
You haven&amp;#39;t answered my question about Obama. But there is something
very abstract about this line of thinking, as against Ben&amp;#39;s directness.
You frame it as an argument for respect, attention to difference and
complexity, but it also feels remote from the lived realities of people
around the world who as never before feel deeply connected to such an
event. People in Africa, Asia and the middle east - and not least Kenya
and Indonesia, for very important reasons - are watching this moment
avidly. That&amp;#39;s also why there are so many initiatives from people in
other countries staking what you call their their &amp;quot;claim&amp;quot; on the
election, which is really only a right to discuss it and engage with it
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://voiceswithoutvotes.org/&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;Voices without Votes&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, for example. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Ben&lt;/strong&gt;:
Chris also ignores the fact that America is a world country - home to
so many diasporas born of migrants who settle there and retain links
with their original homeland. It&amp;#39;s part of the hedged and assaulted but
still real greatness of America that people can come and quite quickly
fully belong - become American. That also means that the human bonds
are deep on both sides. For millions around the world it is not choice
but fate, not will but deep commitment that makes them live this
election - even from thousands of miles away. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Anyway,
I fail to see what is wrong - in this interconnected,
boundary-dissolving, and technology-driven age with mounting problems
that require shared and transnational solutions - with seeing the other
as oneself. A great poet said that &amp;quot;no man is an island, entire of
itself&amp;quot;. If the election-bell tolls for Obama, millions around the
world will feel energised, uplifted, even liberated. They - we - will
share in a shining moment of human solidarity. Why exclude yourself
from that?  
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Chris&lt;/strong&gt;:
The death of distance and of boundaries has strong elements of myth and
technological fetishism. Technology and super-modernity also &lt;em&gt;reinforce&lt;/em&gt;
boundaries, and help create new or enrich old - including national -
ones. To recognise American difference is to see it as more like the
rest of the world, not less. To assimilate a particular version of it
into ourselves is to deny it to itself. If there is a global future, it
will also involve letting America be America in all its strangeness and
interiority, in order to rejoin the world on a new basis.  
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
That
may be a painful and costly process, involving a great degree of
turning inward in the coming years. It may not help that in this long
campaign so few hard truths have been spoken. There will have to be a
time when its president speaks truth to the powerless - and that will
be when its new leader&amp;#39;s real political career will begin. There have
been precious few if any signs of that yet. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
It&amp;#39;s
important to get beyond the religiose and the rhetoric to the politics.
What you can&amp;#39;t see, you don&amp;#39;t grasp. Rick Perlstein&amp;#39;s book &lt;em&gt;Nixonland&lt;/em&gt;
is a healthy and brilliant recuperation of the liberal blindness of an
earlier generation. The global forces reshaping the world - and the
newfound agency of states and governments - are operating in the United
States too. The new wave of Latin American leaders is a significant
reference-point here. What kind of leader do America&amp;#39;s people need and
want? What kind of leader do the times make possible? With what sort of
agency and in what direction can the coalition that made victory
achievable be wielded? 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
It is the responsibility of intellectuals to be more than cheerleaders.
And this is where the engagement of outsiders reaches towards a truth
that its practice so often denies. To make Americans &amp;quot;imaginatively&amp;quot;
bear the burden of your hunger for a fair globality is wrong. But the
aspiration itself is good. What needs to happen is that the idea of
global citizenship should be anchored in the irreducible multiplicity
of a world of equal individuals and civic-national collectivities. The
claim to shared ownership of America&amp;#39;s election needs to be reframed in
terms of what it more truly is: a claim to global citizenship from
every direction under the sun. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
To build
a world of democratic citizens who belong both to a civic-national
political community and a global political community is a project for
the 21st century. To ask Americans to carry the burden of the latter is
over forever. Everyone is in that boat now. We have to learn how to own
our own stories on these different levels, to become &amp;quot;both-and&amp;quot; people,
and to vote and think and contribute on different levels at different
times. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Rona&lt;/strong&gt;:
You still haven&amp;#39;t answered my Obama question. But it&amp;#39;s getting late.
Two years of disagreement won&amp;#39;t be resolved in an hour. So let&amp;#39;s finish
there. Last words? 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Ben&lt;/strong&gt;: It&amp;#39;s time, it&amp;#39;s history, it&amp;#39;s the future, it&amp;#39;s hope, it&amp;#39;s change, it&amp;#39;s Obama. If not now, when? 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Chris&lt;/strong&gt;: It&amp;#39;s a great moment of democracy. I wish the country and the people well. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Rona&lt;/strong&gt;: Thank you, guys. Now I&amp;#39;m switching off - and tuning in. Here&amp;#39;s to the next four years, and to all of us. 
&lt;/p&gt;
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