When will the Muslims stop this dream? It was open Western society that has produced most of the world's scientific knowledge - that the Koran which is largely based on Persian Law, is an ancient text, that has produced little in the way of advancements in the Islamic World as a whole. If so where is it? Please tell us again, about all the advancements, which occurred in the very first Century of the modern day version of Islam. The earlier version of Islam under the Qayrash, Mohammed's family's 700 year history with the Kaaba at Mecca. In the early centuries of Islam (Spain) - under the more advanced Syrian society, Islam was more moderate, and drew its knowledge from sources around it, like Persia and Egypt [far greatest societies than the caravan lanes of the dry and deserted lands of Arabia, ever were.] Now, the Islam that has emerged is like the man who claims to know it all. (And who can argue with him?) Draws its knowledge entirely from itself, or rather, from the information that it got (from conquering its more advanced neighbors) some 14-1500 years ago. The thoughtlessness of religion over knowledge and reason? No thanks!

What science is proving now has alrady been stated in the Holy Quran and its a book for all times and for all ages. You guys may not agree but then again have you ever read it...or is the misleading media your only source, a source which is biased, used for influencing and distorting minds and for making money. Thanks for the website zawa-je

steelers 1- can you send u post again which was on the topic of suadi will lash 20 foreighners , as the whole thread is blocked to me and that is strange and also this is to jessica as I think other posters than steeler comment, but the whole thread I cant reach to them, only I can open other threads, any help? 2- I think also other posters and also the original article , I cant reach .

Hi Abdulksaida, Which thread is causing you problems? Like Owly said sometimes you just have to wait and try again a few seconds later, but sometimes this is due to cahes which needs to be deleted. Let me know if you stil have issues accessing the forums. Best, Jessica -oD moderator

Would be a lot more impressive if anyone actually discovered something from a holy book BEFORE some scientist had spent 20 years working it out by patient scientific study and trial and error.