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Holland has now backed down from being one of the early starters in the e-voting field and now we are seeing the UK government similarly realising it's not the way to go; instead they are pushing for e-engagement, which is much more sensible. What are the experiences of our forum users on using web technologies (or technology in general) in the democratic process?

If I get enough responses on this forum, I'll blog it on openDemocracy; maybe in our new deliberative democracy blog:

http://www.opendemocracy.net/blog/dliberation

 Thanks!

 Felix Cohen

Director of Technology 

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Felix Cohen

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Hi Felix

I believe that there was a very full discussion of e-voting on oD 3 years ago.

The central weakness of e-voting is the ability to hack the vote. There is good evidence that this is what GWB did in 2004: http://www.greenhealth.org.uk/PolBushFraud.htm

As for re-engagement, if they seriously want better turnout in the UK they would go for PR: the Government knows that turnout is inversely proportional to majority, that is, people do not bother to vote in "safe seats".

http://www.greenhealth.org.uk/Democracy.htm




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What's wrong with the ballot box?

Why is that I keep hearing more and more people thinking of any other way to vote besides actually going to a polling station, lining up in a queue, marking a ballot paper and putting it into a box? What on Earth is so wrong about that?

Every other method of voting is open to fraud, all of them - from postal voting to e-voting.

Felix, if the South Africans or the Iraqis (or most of democratic world) can cast their one vote in a ballot box - why can't you? Indeed, I would argue that those who are constantly searching for different ways to cast a vote rather than using the tried and tested ballot box method, are themselves boarderline fraudsters.

If you can't make it to a polling station on election day, then tough, you don't vote, it's as simple as that.




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E-voting is as good as any
E-voting is as good as any scam.



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PR = People Respond

After the 2001 election, I plotted the trunout of voters against the majority.

http://www.greenhealth.org.uk/Democracy.htm

Turonout dropped by 10% when the majority moved from 5000 to 15000. In other words, not all voters are stupid. Some realise that their vote will have no influence on the outcome, and stay at home in safe seats. Therefore, if politicians really cared about voter participation, they would change to proportional representation, where more votes have an effect on the outcome. PR is also intrinsically more democratic, since the will of th epeople is more accurately represented.

The Electoral Commission know about this, but do not care.

 




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E-voting: where politics counts for nothing

Question - how can we reverse the record low turn out at British general elections?

Answer - do anything, or everything to ignore why the majority of the British electorate are so disengaged from the political system - enter e-voting techno-fix.

E-voting is not so much a straight forward fraud, it is more about shying away from answering tough political questions. E-voting, or postal voting, or moving the polling stations, experimenting with compulsory voting, or offering an incentive to vote will not work, because they all fail to tackle the root cause of low voter turnout. The reason why the majority of voters make the historic decision to stay at home, or down the pub on election day, is mainly because they have nothing to vote for.

If the crisis is the record low level of voters, then the answer should, at the very least, be to find ways to re-ignite political life. Low turnout is a major problem because it reveals a snapshot of the level of public disengagement from the political system. E-voting is not a solution to this problem - e-voting cannot re-engage the publics political imagination.

From a New Labour point of view, also, for those who have invested decades praising the virtues of 'participatory democracy', low voter turnout is potentially a political nightmare, only insofar as a low voter turnout is likely to benefit the Conservative Party by default.

The real problem seems to be that the public trust people like the BBC Newsnight presenter Jeremy Paxman more than they trust an elected member of Parliament, which cannot be a good thing for democracy. Widespread distrust of political elites and their institutions raises uncomfortable questions like: Where's the governments popular mandate? Who exactly does the government represent? What makes this government think it has a mandate to make decisions on behalf of the nation?

Techno-fixes are not a solution to these problems, even if the state made voting complusory and paided taxis to ferry people to and from the polls, this would note change the publics widespread disengagement from the political system - in this current apathetic climate, solutions like that could easily backfire and make the problem worse. Solutions that do not re-engaged the publics political imagination are doomed to failure.

If any of these techno-fixes do end up working, there will be a high price to pay - indeed, other than opening up the electoral process to widespread corruption, who can say that those who would vote over the internet are any more engaged with politics that those who decide to give the polling booths a wide berth? Also, what does it say about our democracy?

Our political masters are so bereft of vision and imagination about how we go about building the 'Good society' that they now have to resort to scaring people into the polling stations by raising the spectra of a BNP election victory - as if...