In Gaza today a home blew up killing seven members of Hamas and a 4-month old baby. The house was being used as a bomb factory. Carelessness by the occupants caused the explosion. This is one of many similar accidents in Gaza
The recent debate of Gaza has centered around helpless Palestinians being the victims of Israeli control. This incident does not smack of innocence.
If Israel extends so much control across the border, how did they miss a bomb factory? If Hamas is so concerned about the population, why are they building bombs in private homes? Are they using private homes and babies as a cover to produce explosives with which to kill Israeli babies?
Shouldn't Hamas be more concerned with bringing in food and fuel into Gaza rather than dangerous explosives?
Wailing about crimes against Israel and using a baby's home for a bomb factory smacks of hypocrisy.
Any comments?
TT
are you sure that it is the same home which kid is in it, may be it is another building and near and whre they have to go, all the land is occupied by israeli,
of course it has to be far away , in the destert e.g in a very far place as all countires and israel have nuclear weapons and increases its arsenal countinously and it is forbiiden for those people to only defend themselves against terrorism of israeli government .
Hamas didnt deny that accedient and was courage to say the truth as it is not the israeli and other crimes as the whole world know it starting from first occupation till now murdering daily many innocent palestinians are on the burden of israel and israel is responsible for that.
It is legitemate to defend and the bad intention of israel to let hamas unpopular in GAza strip, or why the fuel , electricity, and all other services are cut from israel and not hamas group, u dont know that hamas dont control the basic infrastructure which it was ruined even before hamas was elected.
i dont know how u think logically. Hamas dont rule gaza, it is israil and it is responsible for every disaster and every killing happen in Gaza, because of its torror occupation from 60 years without mercy and just.
Deny, Deny, Deny
Abdulksaida;
You post indicates why Palestinians have little support around the world. They lie.
they dont lie, i analyze my self the situation, they admit it is inside and they prepare a bomb or something else, so what ?
israel prepare now and america to hit iran and also israel now prepare it self to destroy Gaza and do a war their and wait for it, so what u want palestinians to do ? you want them to accept that with smile? really cant be acceptable.
the lying state is US administration and israel also which they claim want peace and for 60 years no peace with them as they refuse to give us our stolen land, so who is the lyer ? little thinking will let u reach to the fact which you always deny for other purposes and that is your personality, really poor thinking.
Hamas is a political and military organization. The way to avoid accidents arising from primitive bomb-making operations is to ensure that Palestine has the same level of military training and equipment as Israel.
Or perhaps it should be viewed as a positive result of a negative activity -- seven bombmakers are no more. The infant's death is deplorable and unfortunate, but since the parents obviously didn't care about their child's future -- and chances are a child raised in such surroundings and in the midst of such hate would be warped regardless -- then the explosion might have saved that child a life of misery.
The cult of death in which many Palestinians seem to have wrapped themselves, and how they have inured themselves to killing and death and seem willing to lead their children into the same existence, leads me to believe that there is little hope of any real peace. Even if a majority of Palestinians eventually decide they are tired of it, there will always be some for whom death means nothing and for whom killing Jews is their only motivation, and who will wreck any nascent peace process. It has happened before.
HH
Henry Hart;
You are correct about the Palestinian death cult when it comes to Israel. No price is too high to carry on a useless war, even babies.
The cult of death henry_hart_1
In the year to date, the Israeli army has killed 386 Palestinians in Palestine and Palestinians have killed 14 Israelis is Israel. The devotees of the cult of death are, rather obviously, the Israelis.
I didn't say the Israelis were blameless.
It's just that it seems that whenever there's a peace process in the works, and things are looking like they're finally settling down, it's Hamas or Hezbollah that blows up a municipal bus or a disco or lobs rockets into an Israeli neighborhood. And then Israel, of course, responds. And then it's all ashes again.
Israel is just better militarily than its foes -- better equipped and more disciplined. So they have higher body counts. It's not for lack of trying on the Palestinians' part.
HH
israel is never serious about peace and many times Hamas asked for quite and truce and israel is the one to refuse , becasue military it is the strongest,and when poor palestinians try to find their disperate way and difficult one to manufacture any weapons the world start to blame them, really ugly world and injust one .
Who Should Listen?
Abdulksaida;
"...really ugly world and injust one."
Tell that to the 4-month old.
Israel is just better militarily than its foes henry_hart_1
You talk as if there was a war going on. This is straightforward colonialism where Israel is gobbling up the land and resources of the indigenous people.
TT
really ugly world and injust one and iam telling US administration and israel the terror state in the world and the only country with US administration who even dont want to listen to any international law.
we want only israel to obey international law and that is ok with us palestinainas , so go and advice your alley and friends only to obey international law , then the world become beautiful and just.
Gobble Gobble
Herric;
Israel is gobbling land? Israel returned the Sinai in l979. It left Gaza three years ago. It is negotiating with the Syrians in Turkey. It has an offer on the table to trade land with the Palestinians. The only gobbling I see is the gobbling of anti-Israeli propoganda which does nothing to advance peace and security.
International Law?
Abdulksaida;
Obey international law? Which ones? Resolution 242, or the non-binding resolutions, at the UN?
Israel returned the Sinai in l979. It left Gaza three years ago.Ttrryosborn
How awfully sporting of a land-thief to give back what it had stolen! Egypt, having been bought off by the United States, will remain an ally of Israel until democracy takes over and the corrupt perpetual president is replaced by a government which represents the attitude of the Egyptian people to the Jewish State.
As for having 'left Gaza', it has turned it into a concentration camp and redeployed Jewish settlers from Gaza to the West Bank.
non-binding resolutions, at the UN? Ttrryosborn
International law is binding. Of course, the criminal Jewish State, backed by its sponsor, the United States, has, for the time being, the military power to defy the law and all standards of decency.
Herris Flips
Herric;
Which international laws do you refer to? The International Court tried to issue some decision against Israel, but by its own rules cannot render verdicts unless both sides agree to arbitration. Israel did not.
"Israel did not"Good that you are clear on the fact that Israel is non-compliant and outside of the international process. A pariah state if ever there was one as I'm sure you must agree.
Israel Pariah State
That was the term used by Gerald Kaufman, UK (Jewish) MP, and staunch Zionist, when referring to what Israel had become. He was talking about Ariel Sharon's period in office, but nothing has changed.
The former minister said he was saddened by the way the image of Israel had changed from "beacon" status to being portrayed by photographs of its soldiers "smirking over the corpse of a Palestinian they had just killed".
Gerry's Wild Rants
Herric;
Mr. Kaufman is certainly a colorful character. From his writings he says it's okay for him to be Jewish and no one else. Do you follow him? I ask because:
1) Mr. Kaufman supports Zionism, but is a critic of the Sharon government. He both criticizes Sharon's human rights record (exactly how, we don't know) and his failure to provide adequate security for Israelis and Palestinians.
2) Mr. Kaufman refers to himself as an orthodox Jew yet says other orthodox Jews are "infesting Jerusalem" Do you think Jews "infest"?
3) Mr. Kaufman thinks Jews in Israel are ready to commit mass suicide by detonating an atomic bomb. Do you think they are ready?
4) Mr, Kaufman has spoken to the Arab think tank, The Zayed Centre For Co-Ordination and Co-Operation. Their website spews anti-Jewish propoganda. They believe in the Elders of Zion. Do you believe in the Elders of Zion? .
Their website has been shut down for anti-semitism. Do you believe in anti-Semitism?
Anecdotal Photographs
Israeli soldiers smiling over the corpse of a dead Palestinian represent the entire image of Israel ? How heavy.
How do you know he wasn't trying to kill them a moment ago? Maybe the Israeilis were happy to be alive.
When the message is unassailable, smear the messenger. Typical Republican tactic.
Non-Denial Denial
OB;
Smear? Tsk, tsk.
You are the one who dredged up the wild rants of Mr Kaufman. I merely point out his own words render his opinions suspect.
"You are the one who dredged up the wild rants of Mr Kaufman. I merely point out his own words render his opinions suspect."You err once again Terry. I brought up no such thing, I merely note that your tactics are always the same. Smear the messenger to try and discredit the message. If you are unable to engage with the argument that Gerald Kaufman has made that Israel has changed from a "beacon" to it's current reputation as a calculated abuser of human rights and dignity, then just don't. None of the other statements you attribute to Mr. Kaufmann mean anything at all in the context of this thread.
OB's Inquisition
Offendin' Brendan;
What always weakens your posts, dear boy, are your constant attempts to spice up your arguments with the cherry-picked opinions of people we have never heard of and don't believe in.
You keep insisting that their opinions be treated as holy scripture. They are not. They are merely the opinions of flawed mortals.
I have the right to point that out.
How about a new tactic? Stop cherry-picking the opinions of others and offer you own logic instead?
"How about a new tactic? Stop cherry-picking the opinions of others and offer you own logic instead?"How about you stop confusing me with someone else you doddering old fool. I did not quote Mr. Kaufmann.
Tag Team
OB;
Stop confusing you with Herric?
Don't blame me if Herric dropped out and you took his place. So now stop using cherry picked opinions and formulate some of your own. You can pass the message on to Herric if it makes you feel better.
Gerald Kaufman
Since there as been an attempt at obfuscation, you can make up your mind about the reasonablness of what he says by looking up the BBC article.
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Mr Kaufman said a whole series of events had made him to vent his fury, including "the photograph a few weeks ago of one Israeli soldier photographing two others smirking over the corpse of a Palestinian they had just killed".
"This is not what Israel is all about and I am sad about it because Israel was founded in idealism.
"Obviously idealism has got to face up to reality - but the attitude of this Israeli Government in dealing what is undoubtedly horrible terrorism is not only unacceptable in humanitarian terms, but is also seriously unsuccessful in dealing with the terrorism," he told the BBC's Today programme.
http://tinyurl.com/3rg3cn
Seeing What Is Not There
Herric;
the anecdotal interpretation of a photo by one man with an agenda means nothing, except to himself and those who lay at his feet.
Mr Kaufman said a whole series of events had made him vent his fury .
In the BBC documentary (well worth watching) Kaufman tells how his lifelong devotion to Israel turned to disillusion through the betrayal of Zionist ideals by its political leaders.
I fell in love with the land of Israel when I first visited it more than 40 years ago. I fell in love with the land itself, with its ancient buildings and modern idealism. Like any lover, I was at first blind to its faults. I made close friends there, who remain friends to this day. I got to know many of its leading politicians, with whom I was on cordial and friendly terms. I have met all but one of its prime ministers, as well as leading cultural figures. For years I was besotted with the place, and automatically supported it when, all too frequently, it had to go to war.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2219194.stm
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