The truth does not win; the truth is just what is left when everything else is wasted
The truth does not win; the truth is just what is left when everything else is wasted
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A couple decades ago, D.C. passed a law making private ownership of all handguns in D.C. illegal (except for those owned prior to the law, they were grandfathered in). Private citizens can still own rifles and shotguns, but they must either be taken apart, locked in a safe, or have trigger locks on them, even when stored at home. A guy in D.C., a security guard who carries a handgun as part of his job, wished to bring his duty weapon home with him. He sued the city, and the Supreme Court agreed to hear the case. He sued on the basis of the Second Amendment which says, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Throughout the history of the debate, two lines of thought have been prevalent: 1. The right to bear arms is meant for official state militias, not the people in general. One of the most interesting questions I heard posed today (don't remember which Justice) was... If the Second Amendment was meant to apply only to state militias, why didn't they say, "...the right of state militias to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed?"
Submitted on Wed, 2008-03-19 00:37
reply Individual right will be upheld
While I agree with your summary of the facts and issues of the second amendment as an individual or corporate right to bear arms, I would offer that modern interpretation often ignores the historical context of militias. Historically, all male citizens of adult age were by definition part of the militia and in some jurisdictions, were REQUIRED to be armed when in public or could be fined for not doing so. Given the latest judicial appointments to the Supreme Court, I predict the appellate court will be upheld and affirming the individual right to bear arms under the second amendment.
Submitted on Wed, 2008-03-19 10:22
reply Mike,
You don't get to be on
Mike, You don't get to be on the Supreme Court if you are an idiot. Most of them are pretty bright individuals. I was wondering why they chose to listen to a case from D.C., since a lot of the laws and rights granted to citizens of states do not apply to D.C. residents. (They don't have the same voting rights, Congress has the authority make separate laws, and to run the city, etc.) Why would they choose a D.C. case? I think they did it so they have two options. They have some wiggle room, if they want wiggle room, or they can make a "By God, this is the way it's going to be from now on" decision. The wiggle room is: The court is not going to determine whether it is a militia or individual right, because, in D.C., Congress has the authority to restrict rights that may, or may not, apply to citizens of the states. Therefore, we uphold the D.C. gun ban, without extending the same right to other cities, or the states, or the Federal Government. They may, or may not have the right to institute bans, but we are not going to rule on that issue, since this is a D.C. case. Or, they could have chosen the D.C. case to say, we rule that the Constitution DOES ensure the right of ALL the people, even including those in D.C. who are not covered in other situations, and By God, that's the way it's going to be from now on. If they choose the wiggle room ruling, a lot of people are going to be disappointed. Both sides of the issue want a firm decision, one way or the other. If they choose the By God ruling, one side or the other is going to start working on a Constitutional Amendment.
Submitted on Wed, 2008-03-19 15:06
reply Interesting observation
While I'm aware of the unique nature of D.C., I hadn't considered the very uniqueness as the reason they took the case. They could have refused the case and allow the apellate ruling stand. It does give them wiggle room as you suggest. But I can't really see the argument in favor of supporting a DC unique home rule exception to the second ammendment. The "authority to maintain unique bans within DC" just does not seem to be a strong enough argument on its own merits compared to a fundamental constitutional right guaranteed an individual citizen---if in fact the second ammendment is acknowledged as an individual right. Regardless, I agree if that is the ruling, neither side of the second amendment debate will be satisfied.
Submitted on Wed, 2008-03-19 15:45
reply I hope
Personally, I hope the court issues an unequivocal affirmation of the individual right to own guns. Although, if they do, the value of my machine gun will drop precipitously.
Submitted on Wed, 2008-03-19 16:22
reply Second amendment fan
[quote]Although, if they do, the value of my machine gun will drop precipitously.[/quote] As will the tactical nuke I was saving for deer season! ;-)
Submitted on Thu, 2008-03-20 01:34
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Any bets on which way the Supreme Court will rule on the D.C. gun case?