I have learnt with indignation about the''Fitna'', the anti-Islamic film of the right-wing Dutch politician, Mr G. Wilders
The film is to be seen on www.youtube.com
Warning: Shocking images
As to be expected from the political views of Mr Wilders, the film is giving a onesided and negative image of the Islam, which is hateprovoking and discriminative [1]
To legitimize his point of view, Mr Wilders is quoting some Qurantexts, which are used out of their context.
Also he is referring to the terroristic attacks of WTC and Madrid, which have been committed by individuals and organisations, who are using the religion for their own political purposes
Typical for his strand of thought is also the fact, that he doesn't refer to the political causes regarding those attacks
An analysis:
Religions:
The fundaments of Islam, as of Christianity and Judaism, are based on the God of Love, peace and human rights
However, through the centuries, politicians, religious leaders and military have used the religion for their own political and power aims
I don't have to mention the Pope Urbanus II, the initiator of the Crusades, who broke with the fundamental principle pf Christianity by mentioning, that it was no sin to till ''infidels'' [2]
I presume also, that you'll be familiar with the massacres of the Jewish and muslim inhabitants of Palestine, by the so-called Crusader-knights, all in the name of the ''christian faith''
Spoken about fanatism
Also need to be mentioned the Spanish Inquisition, which slaughtered thousands of Jews and muslims and during the Reformation, the socalled protestant ''heretics''
Every religion knows its religious fanatics
Stigmatising of the Islam:
Typical for Wilders is his onesided and discriminative approach of the Islam.
Not only he is making no distinction between the great scala of muslims, from ''moderate'' untill ''extreme'', his selective use of Qurantexts and his denial of the use of similar texts in the Old Testimony and the Torah
Example of a horrible story of the Old Testimony is the genocide on the Amelecites [a nation, which waged war with the Israel from the time of King Saul], which would have taken place ''on the command of God'' [3]
That this horrible old story has its consequences in this time, shows the existence of a Jewish religious fanatical group, the Gush Emunim [which means, the Blocj of Believers], who put several years ago an advertisement in the Haaretz, with a summon to slaughter all Palestinians, after the example of the Amelecites [4]
Religious fanatism:
Example by ALL religions
The dangerous character of ''Fitna'' is not only the onesided quotes out of the Quran, but also the suggestion, that all muslims were religious fanatics
First, that is a very small group
Secondly, as being mentioned already, there are also ''christian'' or ''Jewish'' fanatics
I mentioned already the Gush Emunim, who are also present under the religious fanatical Jewish settlers, especially at Hebron, who are terrorising the occupied Palestinian population [5]
In the USA, the ''christian'' fundamentalists can be mentioned, who have assaulted the abortus clinics, especially in the nineties
The Netherlands:
Also in the Netherlands, religious fanatism existed, especially in the sixties, when IN THE DUTCH PARLIAMENT, a Mr van C Dis [of course NOT the writer A van Dis!], being member of parliament of a fundamental Dutch ''christian'' party, the SGP, defended the South African apartheid, by stating that negroes were inferior, being cursed as ''sons of Cham'' on the ground of an old misinterpreted Old Testamentical Story
Yes readers, the Netherlands of the sixties! [6]
Terroristic attacks and the political causes:
WTC and Madrid
In ''Fitna'' Mr Wilders is referring to the images of the WTC and Madrid attacks
Of course the attacks were illegal and horrible, being military attacks on civilians, but it is demagogical to lay the guilt upon a specific religion
All religions are based on human rights and love
However, the interpretation of men is human work and stems from the own choice, for which only human beings are responsible
Causes:
Further Mr Wilders is denying here the political causes of the terroristic attacks, which stem from the political-military British-American behaviour in the Middle East
The WTC attacks were a reaction on the American military attack on Iraq, with as humanitarian result thousands of civilian death, because of the use of clusterbombs and depleted uranium, which sickened also a great number of American soldiers [7]
And not to be mentioned the UN sanctions against Iraq, which especially have hurted the elderly people and the children
Because of lack of medicines, more than 500.000 Iraqi children has died
The Madrid attacks were a reaction on the Spanish political and military support for the illegal second American attack on Iraq
As in the first attack and Afghanistan, thousands of civilians have died because of the use of clusterbombs and depleted uranium
WHERE IN THE WILDERSFILM CORPSES ARE SHOWN FROM THOSE CIVILIAN VICTIMS, THE DEAD IRAQI CHILDREN BECAUSE OF THE UN SANCTIONS AND THE TORTURED PRISONERS IN GUANTANAMO BAY, ABU GRAIBH, BAGHRAM AND OTHER AMERICAN PRISONCAMPS [8]
IT IS NO WONDER, ONE WILL NOT SEE THOSE PICTURES, SINCE MR WILDERS HIMSELF IS PLEADING FOR A DUTCH GUANTANAMO BAY FOR TERRORSUSPECTS
SINCE MR WILDERS IS OF THE OPINION, THAT ASYLUMSEEKERS SHOULD NOT GET MEDICAL CARE, EXCEPT WHEN THERE DIRECT LIFE IS AT STAKE
Also it is to be mentioned, that those attacks, HOWEVER HORRIBLE, are a reaction on the structural American political and military support for the 40 years long Israeli occupation of the Palestinian terrirories [9]
Mohammed cartoon:
As well at the beginning as the end of ''Fitna'' one of the notorious Danish Muhammed cartoons are dispayed, by which the for the muslims holy Profet is being imaged with a bomb in his turban
Again, yet apart from the insult to the Profet Muhammed, that association, that all muslims are terrorists
Therefore it is to be applauded, that as well the Dutch prime-minister mr Balkenende, as the EU, the UN Sectretary General, as the mayor of Amsterdam, mr Cohen, have rejected this film sharply
With all due respect for a number of Dutch muslims, who were relieved about the relatively not extreme character of the film [there was the fear of tearing or burning the Quran], the film IS EXTREME, HOWEVER
It is stigmatising, hateprovoking and discriminative
Again I wholeheartedly support the statements the Srs H de Winter, E van Thijn and rabbi Soetendorp, that the points of view of Mr Wilders have comparisons with the rising anti-semitism from the thirty years in nazi-Germany [10]
From their Jewish background, they can feel, better then the average Dutchman [of course not to be named those, who are resisting against Wilders] the danger of those hateprovoking points of view
Epilogue:
Every military violence or torture against civilian people, hostages or prisoners of war is a war-crime, despite whether it is done by a regular army or a resistence group
But war-crimes, which are inspired by religion, take place under each religion, whether christian, jewish or muslim
Regarding that I want to recommend the film of the AEL Belgium [11]
it is called ''Al Mouftinoun'' and also seen on www.youtube.com
Warning: shocking images
Of course everyone can form his own opinion about the film, but it represents the other side of the story
Down with racism, anti-semitism and xenofobism
At the end of the day, we are all people
There is only ONE race, the human race
Mr H de Winter should not to be confused with the Dutch well known writer, Mr L de Winter, who is a fanatical Israeladherent and a notorious muslim-basher
Mr Cohen is the mayor of Amsterdam
Mr rabbi Soetendorp is a very respected Dutch Jewish liberal rabbi
Islam is a belief. It is therefore legitimate for anyone to question those beliefs and indeed to ridicule those beliefs as Mr Wilders hasdone. One notes that when Theo Van Goff did something similar he was murdered.So much for Moslem tolerance.
Mr Wilders is as much entitled to his views on Islam as you are entitled to yours. One only has to examine the discriminatory treatment of Christians in Islamic Countries to see that Mr Wilders has a valid point.Christians are not allowed to build churches or to worship in Saudi Arabia so it is a legitimate question to ask why should you be able to practise your religion in the Netherlands or in England ? It is a matter of reciprocity. When are you going to stop being discriminatory to Christians ?
I believe Islam is not a religion but is a politicalmovement masquerading as a religion. Mohammed was an anti-Christ and so Islamis heretical. In my experience Islam and many Moslems are deeply hostile toother faiths and are intolerant of any criticism of Islam. I also think thatthe recent behaviour of Moslems in Iraq, Sudan and elsewhere in the world is adisgrace. It would seem that Islam is very good at murder, mayhem and tyranny.It is not so good at tolerance and peace. Perhaps you might care to consider that. Oh and I hope the film is widely shown and viewed. Andshould you with your interest in freedom of speech and freedom of expression.
if people accuse u of false accustions , and portrayed you as a terrorist also even though you are innocent, do u like it and say let them practice freedom of speech?
if also magazines and others also interfer in your personal life and also in your personal family and propagate false accusation and mixed things to gether, do u like it and say it is ok, let them critize me , it is freedom of speech.
i think if u are a normal person , you will not accept, so how come for muslims to accept that theri beloved islam and their beloved prophet mohamed (pbuh) will be accused such accustioan, but really for me , i say Allah will revenge him self for our prophet, and why to care for that man even, and for us muslims beleive me nobody will beleive that man and because he is jelous of our relegion even if u dont beleive in it, it is enough that today the catholic church say that the no of muslims now exeed the no of christians, and i dont mean to humulate anyone, i mean that muslims are increasing daily even if that man will propagate his film, he did propaganda and let more people enter islam as to read about our prophet (pbuh) and many of them are smart and can know the truth and enter islam, so it is for our privilage mr owly . always people will sympathize with the other side when he is mocked. Good luck for u
When are you going to understand - ISLAM IS A BELIEF. It is open to question and to comment just as much as any other belief. Why should Islam and your false prophet be any different ??? According to you no one has any right to look critically at Islam. I don't accept that tosh. And it is also legitimate to look at how Islam behaves towards those of other faiths or to those who live different lives. All I see in Islam is intolerance. If you want to see what Islam stands for look at Iraq. Liberated from a cruel and wicked tyrant and all you Moslems could do is murder each other. Islam is quite clearly no religion at all, and it most certainly is not a religion of Peace.
all what you wrote , it is of hatret and you provoke others for not understanding. Islam is our relegion and u r free not to adopt it, but dont hurt others , e.g i dont beleive in worshiping idols, or iam not secular, but at least i will not offend them, i can understand why millions are secular as after 2 worlds war, most of them quit from christianity to be secular.
those people also beleive christianity no more is a relegion , even they are wrong and because relegion always have some burden and rules and stepulation which not all nation can afford, only muslims can apply those rules and leave them and dont beleive, that is u matter.
if u beleive islam is quite no relegions so more than i milyar beleive the reverse. do u want to say that u r with some others the 100% correct.
it seems , in your background or experience other things that make u like this
in iraq , it is US who start this fitna and killing and destroy the country iraq for purposes. The problem u dont want to beleive that , so why u insist that we have to beleive u .
in iraq first american soldiers protect ministry of oil and forget all sectors , is that liberation ?
I don't care if you follow that false prophet and believe in his daft religion as you call it. But you always want everyone to be tolerant of your religion and no one is allowed to say anything against it, and yet you and Moslems like you are never willing to tolerate other faiths and other beliefs in the same way, as is amply proved by your posts here. As I have pointed out before when you allow Christians to build churches and worship freely throughout the Islamic World and when anyone can go and visit Mecca and Medina then, AND ONLY THEN, will I have some time for your religion. The fact you cannot see how evil minded and wicked this persecution of other faiths is shows how warped and twisted is your sense of morality.
As to Iraq the British and Americans freed the Iraqi people from a wicked and evil tyrant, something you Moslems couldn't be bothered to do. When free from his yoke all you lot could do was murder one another. There is such a thing as free will. Nothing has shown more graphically the lack of respect for human life, and indeed the total lack of humanity in the hearts of many Moslems better than your actions in Iraq. Murder and mayhem would seem to be all you are interested in. I have come to the conculsion that not one drop of Christian blood is worth shedding for any Moslem. So I hope you live long under brutal tyrants, for that seems to be the form of government you must like. But then that is what Mohammed was: a tyrant.
tell your government that yes dont shed any christian blood ,and let them go to their home safely and their family, no body wants any blood shed for all relegions not only christians. life of all human being is sacred and also muslim blood , or you dont see that.
dont be so naive, they dont come for nothing .
i hope no wars from first .
all what u say is not convinced, but i know u , nothing you say correct
you are very jelous from saudi arabia, i dont know why?
Qatar now build a big church for all christians, why you dont say about that. all muslim countries have churches, and we are not like you differentiate, we live with christians, non relegious people and we dont hate them as you hate us and our relegion.
really you are full of hatret and thanks God , we are not hate any one for any relegioun, we hate politics which kill us , only and nothing related to relegion. you are the one who mix politics with relegion. try to seperate then you will find peace.
really always iam dreaming and i wish if our prophet is alive (pbuh), at least i could ask him about the mess of the world, i will find more peace if he is alive
he can solve all our problems and make us more peace inside and outside, i admit that our life now without him is so bad and empty. many questions i like to ask him, but i know that our reward livining in this terrible life would be more than people who was with him, as he (pbuh) used to teach them and find him as a model to follow
thanks God ( allah ) that inshallh later we will meet him. i hope really and that is the dream of more than 1 milyar muslim.
One of the sites that was hosting the film 'Fitna', has taken the film down following a number of death treats. It is a case of 'Islam is a religion of Peace, and if you don't agree we will Kill you'. So as Open Democracy is a haven of free speech here is a link to the film -: http://themoviefitna.com
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