Iam confused as i know secularism give all people freedom of their relegions as long as obeying basic roles and morals which frankly all good innate humans will agree from all relegionus, non relegious , races, coloures, cultures and everything.
can we say that even secular people contradict them selves by banding girls coverd by even elegant headscarf from entering university to educate ?
is that racism ? and is that also wrong and one face of discrimination ? so can u beleive anymore in secularism and their ideas and injust .
Turkey try to join EU and in my opinion they will never allow her to join, i think secular people in turkey try to show europe that they are serious about headscarf and dont want turkey to become a muslim country to encourage europe to take them, they are totally wrong. I think they dont have even or keep even their secular rules as it is cynic as many covered turkey women who wants to educate went to london and other foreign countries to enter their universities, really astonishing. what is your opinion about that element.
http://tinyurl.com/69ah3n
The indictment against the AKP calls for the party to be permanently shut and for 71 of its leaders – including Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and President Abdullah Gul – to be banned from politics for five years.
"The AKP is founded by a group that drew lessons from the closure of earlier Islamic parties and uses democracy to reach its goal, which is installing sharia [Islamic law] in Turkey," the indictment says. "There is an attempt to expunge the secular principles of the Constitution."
Among the evidence the 162-page motion cites are numerous speeches of Mr. Erdogan's, as well as descriptions of municipal AKP actions, such as banning alcohol sales, and the party's recent successful parliamentary effort to lift a ban on the wearing of head scarves in universities.
http://tinyurl.com/5hz9vk
i know that the head scarf ban is directed most to ban the govornment party and that is not good innate.
so any one can give execuses to what they can do , which is injust , knowing that the people themselves and many of them wants to put head scarves, so by democracy , secularism dont go with it. No freedom of relegion and i think if europe dont want Turkey to join to EU , she must tell them the reason for not abiding to rules of democracy and freedom to where decent clothes as they wish.
If the basic rules remain unaffected by politics, so we can trust Europe and others, but i think they dont like to see headscarves even europe which before centuries women used to wear it and usually women dont contribute much in politics, so why now they dont respect her choise>
I think those women dont trust of the liberation movement of the west and even in turkey as long as they dont respect their choise of wearing headscarves.
But it's clear from the decision that the country is also moving towards a ban of the AKP. And that will create political turbulence for the country at a time when it is aiming toward membership in the European Union. This new verdict might not increase the country's chances. Europe has repeatedly criticized Turkey's heavy handed judiciary for standing in the way of freedom of opinion and true democracy.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,558099,00.html
It doesnt look like the decision has anything to do with impressing Europe.
The first lady of turkey put headscarf and the wife of Gol and also i saw small glimps of the wedding of one daughter of first lady of turkey as i remember in TV and also was covering her hair while whearing a very nice white wedding address.
iam astonished why a small issue of head scarf do such contreversy in turkey and some countries and even france .
many times i attend a wedding festival which even is mixed , but the bride covered her hair and the husband insist on that and the wedding is very very nice, even before days one american who was christian and become muslim married to eyptian girl and my sister attend their wedding in one of the hotel and the bride was covering her hair and it was nice and they dance .
I want to say , head scarves must not be a big issue to deal with and try to fight it and it is not always a backward act or terror act to let the whole world afraid from a weak girl or women who covered her hair as only she wants to obey Allah or God rules as she understand and dont want others to interfer and ban her from her personal choice and freedom .
Since when are you concerned with personal choice and freedom? I thought men were supposed to make laws about how women could and couldn't dress in the Middle East.
Men dont interfer with headscarves usually
not all ME countries are the same, and many womens choose to put their headscarves by themselves especially in rich countries and gulf states,eventhough they are many not covered , but we dont see it as a bad act if they didnt cover and later many of these women who dont put headscarves later they put it by choise. No compulsion and men dont do rules for them , the relegious people only advice them in TV , radio and mosques to wear decent clothes and to obey God, some and many are convinced and wear it by will and by choose.
Now i feel that it is the reverse that the west especially france and now denemark even though they did a beuty contess for covered women and an iraqi covered women win as i heard . i want to say some west coutries now put rules to womens as not to wear headscarf , so candace that will ruin your idea that ME men put rules for women what to wear and not to wear. It seems the infection as you think came to france and many european countries. so if u want to be neutral both are the same.
I know many women choose to wear the headscarf. I also know that we're not perfect here
I said that I [i]thought[/i] ME men were supposed to make rules for how women should dress- and that comment was based on previous discussions with you and your unwavering support for men controlling and having authority over womens personal decisions. I saw some irony in that and you being upset about the ban, which to me is trivial in comparison to what we discussed before, but I recognize there will be a bias because supposedly one side is enforcing gods laws and the other is resticting them.
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