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How Hillary Can Knock-Out Obama


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How Hillary Can Knock-Out Obama

Joel S. Hirschhorn

Now is the time for Hilary Clinton to take a bold position that in one brilliant, courageous stroke shows the nation that she is more willing to pursue true reforms of the two-party plutocratic political system than Obama is.

With this position she can reveal that all the Obama talk about change is just a clever campaign strategy to seduce people who rightfully are fed up with politics as usual.

With this single position she can transform herself from status-quo-political-establishment-candidate to a true believer in what the Founders gave us in the Constitution: the right to turn public mistrust and lack of confidence in the federal government into peaceful constitutional problem solving. When 81 percent of Americans think the country is on the wrong track, then the constitutional path to reform should be used.

How can a true political leader do better than advocating use of what is sitting right there in our beloved Constitution?

How can a candidate advocating solutions for America do better than supporting what has already been used hundreds of times by the states, but has been blocked by fearful political forces for over 200 years at the federal level?

How could Obama tell the nation that he does not believe in using what the Constitution says we have a clear right to use? How could this self-professed change agent say he is against using the peaceful constitutional path to examining profound political reforms? Neither Obama nor McCain would find it easy to say that what the Founders gave us in our Constitution should not be used. Indeed, as Senators, would they introduce a bill to amend the Constitution to remove this option? I think not.

Sometimes, a great notion just needs to be articulated for people to see the clear way forward. Now is the ideal time for Hillary Clinton to say to Americans that she agrees that the political system must be fixed and that the time has arrived for a serious national discussion of political reforms that only can be achieved through constitutional amendments, because Congress has shown no inclination for pursuing deep, systemic political reforms.

The constitutional alternative is to use what is in Article V: a convention of state delegates that is given the constitutional power that so far only Congress has used, to debate and consider proposals for constitutional amendments. The Framers brilliantly created both this option and the safety net that proposed amendments, like those from Congress, must be ratified by three-quarters of the states. Nor can a totally new Constitution be considered, only amendments to the present one.

Clinton would have history and facts on her side. The clarity of the Article V convention option in the Constitution is undisputed. Better yet, the one and only stated requirement for Congress to obey for convening the convention has already been satisfied – namely that two-thirds of state legislatures ask Congress for a convention. Indeed, there have been over 500 such state requests from all 50 states. Hillary could state very simply that the time is long overdue for Congress to obey the Constitution and convene a convention. She could introduce a bill that says exactly that to show that she is really true to her words.

There have been several important books from respected academics that provide the intellectual ammunition for taking this bold position. These include: “A More Perfect Constitution” by Larry Sabato; “The Second Constitutional Convention: How The American People Can Take Back Their Government” by Richard Labunski; and “Our Undemocratic Constitution: Where the Constitution Goes Wrong (And How We the People Can Correct It)” by Sanford Levinson.

In other words, advocating the nation’s first use of an Article V convention is no far-out, brainless idea. Indeed, it is exactly what the nation needs at this time and exactly what any political leader that claims both to love our Constitution and see the need for political reforms should support.

Clinton can give many examples of what a convention could consider proposing, including amendments that: make universal health insurance coverage a constitutional right; replace the Electoral College with the popular vote for president and vice-president; take all private money out of political campaigns and replaces it with total public campaign financing; clarify that only Congress can declare war and must do so explicitly.

Be brave Hillary. Do what is both right and politically dazzling.

[Joel S. Hirschhorn can be contacted through www.delusionaldemocracy.com; he is a co-founder of Friends of the Article V Convention at www.foavc.org.]




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Hillary Can't Win

Sprawkills,

The present bloodletting in the Democratic primaries precludes any chance of Hillary winning the White House.

Much of the base of the Democratic Party (15-20%) comes from the African American community. One year ago, they were solidly behind her. With Obama's candidacy and success in the primaries, African American are with him. They expect him to be the nominee.

Hillary is now too far behind in the delegate count to catch up to Obama in the remaining primaries. Should she convince the super delegates to choose her as the party's nominee, African American will claim that the nomination was stolen from Obama. They will not turn out in November for Clinton.

Florida and Michigan have already probably been lost due to rules haggling within the Democratic Party.  Without the Black vote she could lose Illinois and California. That would tip the electoral count to McCain and the White House with it.




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she's aiming at 2012

If Obama wins she will never be president. She wants the Mad Bomber to win so that she can challenge him in four years time.




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The Mad Who?

BC

Who is the Mad Bomber?




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hillary can "knock-out" McCain too

:-)




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Hillary vs. McCain

Candace;

I wrote last year that Hillary could make an okay President, but McCain could be a great one. It looks like we'll never know about Hillary.




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She won't getthe chance to knock out McCain

Candace

Clinton cannot knock out McCain.  She will not be the nominee. Even though she is determined to take it right up to the wire, the arithmetic means she has lost.  Her strategy is a long term one.  She intends to damage Obama as much as possible so that the Mad Bomber can beat him.  That way she will still be in with a chance of the presidency in 2012 - if this lunatic hasn't blown the world up by then of course.

 




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BigC(RAP) Misreads America Again

BC;

You think Hillary wants to be the spoiler  in the Fall so she can run again in 2012?

Wrong.

She still wants the nomination.

Clinton will try to fight every remaining primary  to a standstill and claim the Obama machine has run out of steam.       

She will go to the convention and tell superdelegates that with Michigan and Florida counted she has a lead in the votes, or parity. The Party may be able to ignore those states as far as primaries go; but they cannot ignore them come the general election.Clinton will say she can beat McCain and Obama cannot.

If that fails, she will make whatever deals necessary for enough super delgates to get the nomination.

I do not think this strategy will work, but the Clintons have a long history of political miracles.




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We'll see...

TT

Maybe if she'd got the 20% majority she'd predicted in PA but not now. As you said in an earlier posting here, she's lost the African American vote and could not win: something the super delegates will surely be aware of. I suspect that she is also fully aware of it. Winning the nomination now would be the end of her political career because presidential losers very rarely get a second chance - nomination losers do.

No matter. Whichever one wins the nomination, McCain will almost certainly win the election. We're agreed on that even if we're not agreed on the desirability of it.




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Hanging In There

BC;

Clinton's win in Pennsylvania keeps her in the game, barely. It is still an uphill fight.

As for McCain, just because he wears the Republican brand that does not mean they own him. He has a good record of  working with both Democrats and Republicans in the Senate to get things done. Hillary is one of his  friends. That is an extremely important quality in a President--Democrat or Republican.

McCain has more Congressional experience than Clinton and Obama put together. How much more will he have when one drops out?