The Infest ... er, Occupy Movement -- an idea whose time should never have come is now going

Recent news updates from Occupy protests read like a crime blotter: A man shot near the encampment in Oakland. A homeless person dead in Salt Lake City. A suicide in Vermont. Two drug overdoses and a molotov cocktail in downtown Portland, Ore. A sexual assault in Philadelphia. Hypothermia in Denver ... and a 53-year-old man unnoticed in his tent in New Orleans, dead for at least two days.

Even more prevalent are city concerns about sanitation. Thousands of protesters have lived outdoors with few toilets and no showers for the better part of two months.

Protesters in Chicago violated a noise ordinance; a protester in New York defecated on a police car. In Oakland, when police officers forcibly cleared protesters from Frank Ogawa Plaza this week, in part to deal with a rat infestation, cleaning crews hauled away more than 100 tents, dozens of molded mattresses and 27.8 tons of trash.

And now, as The Washington Post reports, cities are finally clearing out these cesspools in public parks. A group of some hundreds of New Yorkers protested the protesters earlier in the week, telling them to clear out. And the movement, which is calling for more fiscal responsibility, is costing the cities it's occupying millions of dollars.

With the clearing of New York's Zuccotti Park, the movement's birthplace, cities are finally taking back their citizens' public spaces. The true 99 percent is finally speaking up.

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Well, we've about beat this

Well, we've about beat this thing to death anyway.  And it probably is time for me to get some work done.  So, I'll leave any continued pummeling to the rest of y'all.

Enjoy the Christmas season.

So you couldn’t think of any

So you couldn’t think of any argument to try and convince me “that unrestrained opportunities for indivdual entrepeneurs the last, best hope for mankind”. Thought as much. :-)

Enjoy your holidays too, Alan.

Because, my dear, in many

Because, my dear, in many cases, they provide a much better quality of education than government run institutions

Really? Well, I am taking your word for it. Why is that so? Better funds? Then the funding of “government run” institutions should be improved too.

The problem is letting government decide what should be funded, and what should not. 

You think a corporation (preferably a profit-oriented one I assume) should decide that, but not a democratically legitimated entity. How very strange. WHY?

You and I have a very basic difference of opinion.  You seem to think the government is wonderful at everything they do (except military and foreign policy, where you think they can't do anything right), and should provide everything to everyone.

Ts ts. I think that democratic decisions are better than undemocratic ones. I think that the economy’s task is to provide goods and services for the people. Profitability, if desired, can only be a secondary aim.

There is no way you will convince me that government should be momma to us all, …

I always find this use of the word “government” amusing. As if you are about to call an exorcist.

 

and there is no way I will convince you that unrestrained opportunities for indivdual entrepeneurs are the last, best hope for mankind

You have not even tried! Tell me, why are unrestrained opportunities for indivdual entrepeneurs the last, best hope for mankind? Please, I want to know why.

Really? Well, I am taking

Really? Well, I am taking your word for it. Why is that so? Better funds? Then the funding of “government run” institutions should be improved too.

Typical socialist answer--if public schools suck, they must be under funded.  The reality is throwing more money at them makes them more expensive, not better at educating kids.  D.C. schools prove that dramatically.  As the president of the teacher's union stated, "I'll start caring about kids when they start paying union dues."

Why?  Private schools do not have union teachers so they can fire the non-performers.  They can compete for the best teachers and compete for the best students by competing with other schools to offer the best education for the buck.

The quote probably is one of

The quote probably is one of your usual examples of, er, embellished reality, or have you got evidence?

There is no reason why private schools should differ in any way from state-run ones in regard to union membership. Probably you want to tell me that you have some Nazi laws restricting trade union membership, right? And of course you approve.

Performance of students depends to a large degree on their parents’ income, by the way. That should give you a hint why schools that take fees perform better than schools in poor neighbourhoods. If you want to say that they are better independent of the socioeconomic background of the students: prove it.

Jason,Due to the lack of

Jason,

Due to the lack of actual argumentation here, and the inordinate use of straw men, smear and projection on this thread I am claiming victory. Yup, you read me correctly, there is no counter argument against the core objectives of occupy except, apparently, "smelly, wanna be hippies" and that does not cut it.

I'll limit my contributions here to whack-a-mole tactics against the failed propagandists. See you on the Libya thread soon.

Ass kicking... ya, on that note, lets award Henry one of these for the hole in his *** (keep the enemy in front Henry)

 

Brendan,I'm glad you reminded

Brendan,

I'm glad you reminded me.  I appreciate it...

Thank you for your service to our country, Henry.

Thanks Alan, same goes both

Thanks Alan, same goes both ways.

And ... anyone else here think Brendan's a little too ass-fixated? This something your wife/husband or girlfriend/boyfriend aware of, big guy? Not judging ... but I think you might want to be more careful about broadcasting your kinks to the rest of the world. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it's not just elephant ass you're into: THAT I would be a little judgmental about.

What an assanine assumption.

What an assanine assumption. I suppose, if you believe I have such a fixation, then you have very little (or less than most by your own account) to worry about on that front.

I give you "A Republican Theme Park" as a parting gift.

Awww. How sweet, thanks pal.

Awww. How sweet, thanks pal. Don't think I don't appreciate it. In fact, here's something for you ... something we all know you, in particular, will enjoy!

Occupy my ass remix -

Occupy my ass remix - hilarious. Nice one.

Occupy Obama has a few words

Occupy Obama has a few words for you...

In a speech meant to echo a historic address given by former President Theodore Roosevelt in the same Kansas town more than 100 years ago, Obama railed against "gaping" economic inequality and pressed the case for policies he insisted would help ordinary Americans get through hard times.

He seized the opportunity to step up pressure on congressional Republicans to extend payroll tax cuts that independent economists say are vital to economic recovery, and also vowed new legislation to punish Wall Street fraud.

But Obama's broader message was a sweeping call for the working class to get a "fair shot" and a "fair share" as he pushed for wealthier Americans to pay higher taxes and demanded that big corporate interests play by the rules.

"This is the defining issue of our time. This is a make or break moment for the middle class," Obama told a cheering crowd in a high school gymnasium in Osawatomie, Kansas.

"At stake is whether this will be a country where working people can earn enough to raise a family, build a modest savings, own a home and secure their retirement," he said.

With the election just 11 months away, Obama's speech was part of a strategy to cast the Republicans as the party beholden to the rich and blame them for obstructing his efforts to boost the fragile economy and slash high unemployment, considered crucial to his re-election chances.

"Their philosophy is simple: we are better off when everyone is left to fend for themselves and play by their own rules. Well, I'm here to say they are wrong," he said

Allow me to continue the

Allow me to continue the article (it's from Reuters, by the way):

But Republicans said it was another attempt to distract from what they see as Obama's failed economic record. Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell accused the president and his fellow Democrats of resorting to "cheap political theater."

Republican presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich, in an interview on CNBC, said Obama's policies made him the "finest food stamp president in American history" because more people will end up getting government aid than new jobs.

This time, Obama sought to channel Roosevelt, a Republican who provoked deep anger within his party with his landmark "New Nationalism" speech in 1910 that hailed the government's role in promoting social justice and warned against the abuses of rich business interests. Roosevelt lost the 1912 presidential election running as a third-party candidate.He was also seeking to revitalize his liberal base amid fears that an "enthusiasm gap" could cut into Democratic turnout and cost him a second term.

Obama sounded themes of economic inequality and corporate greed that have driven the Occupy Wall Street protest movement that was spawned in New York in recent months and has spread to other major cities and even other countries.

"President Obama is attempting to energize Democrats for the campaign, define himself as something more than a passive president and take populism back from the Tea Party," Princeton University political historian Julian Zelizer said.

The risk for Obama is that tougher rhetoric against Big Business could turn off some of the centrist voters he needs to win re-election. After his Democrats suffered major losses in the November 2010 congressional elections, he launched an outreach to the business community to try to mend fences.

Obama used his speech to accuse Republicans of suffering from "collective amnesia" about the recent financial crisis, and he strongly defended his Wall Street regulatory overhaul that many Republicans opposed and want to roll back.

He said he would call for legislation to toughen penalties against Wall Street companies that break anti-fraud rules.

"Too often, we've seen Wall Street firms violating major anti-fraud laws because the penalties are too weak and there's no price for being a repeat offender. No more," Obama said.

He again prodded Republican lawmakers to extend the expiring payroll tax cut beyond this year.

Many Republican lawmakers are skeptical that it will spur job creation, but party leaders, fearing a possible backlash from voters in 2012, have expressed a willingness to find a way to prevent the tax cut from lapsing.

They remain at odds with Democrats on how to fund it.

The entire context is probably important, Bren, don't you think? I did like your subtle tool of bolding the parts you found important, so I did the same.  Nice effect, I think.

And don't you find the writer's choice of wording evocative? Obama isn't a champion of the middle class; "he portrayed himself" as one. His speech didn't echo Roosevelt's; it was "meant to echo" it. And why should  Obama's speech have to be "part of a strategy to cast the Republicans as the party beholden to the rich and blame them for obstructing his efforts to boost the fragile economy and slash high unemployment"? If it was a matter of truth for all to see, why the artifice?

Everywhere in this piece, Obama is "attempting to" do this, "casting himself" as that, and "seeking to" do the other. In other words, Obama is trying to do what any actor does -- fool the audience. Unfortunately for us, in this particular case, he's trying to play president. The writer of this piece might not have intended it to be, but it's basically a movie review. Obama's performance? Looks like 2 stars out of 4. Not exactly a blockbuster, now is it?

Regardless, Hen, you will

Regardless, Hen, you will have Obama for another 4 years. Looks like he will enjoy the latitude to change your backward nation into a first world country.

No surprises.  Our president

No surprises.  Our president can't run on his record of success.  And since he can't blame Bush one more time without provoking hysterical laughter, he has no choice but to invoke class warfare.  Yep, blame the Rich instead of inspiring others to become rich themselves.  That's a great strategy until there are no rich left to blame.

Oh yeah, it’s only class

Oh yeah, it’s only class warfare when workers start to fight back, not before, I know.

You don’t get it, as usual. Your president doesn’t need success. Any candidate who isn’t completely nuts could win the next elections against Obama, that goes without saying. With that performance! And no government is re-elected during this crisis anyway. Except Obama.

The repugs don’t have a single candidate who is NOT completely nuts. More precisely, all they have is the stupidest of looneys. And there are some pathetic old men who fantasise that one of these looneys could win, and that this would be a good thing. Haha, these pathetic losers!

Here's one Brendan and

Here's one Brendan and Momo...

This would be a pathetic

This would be a pathetic attempt at humour in any case.

The 1% aren’t covering their fair share of expenses. They will be made to do so.

Except you (and the OWS

Except you (and the OWS leeches) do not define what is "fair".  Even if you defined "fair" as 100% of their income AND confiscated the wealth of the evil 1%, it does not make a dent in the economy until government spending is cut.  No surprise that you don't get it and probably why you'll never be in the 1% yourself.

It is the 1% who do the

It is the 1% who do the confiscating. What do you think they do for their income? Work? Quite funny that you believe government spending was anything else than income. But then probably you belong to the 16% in the US who believe they were the 1%.

Meant to ask earlier -- has

Meant to ask earlier -- has the EU given any thought to instituting an "Idiots Occupy the Internet Day," as opposed to allowing it 24/7, 365? It would be helpful for the rest of us, obviously, to know which specific day to avoid forums such as this. As it is, as witnessed above, it's all idiot, all the time from the Eurozone. (Brendan, I'd suggest the same for Canada, but I just don't think there are enough of you -- or more to the point, enough interesting, non-ass-related opinions -- to bother.)

If you avoid this forum 24/7,

If you avoid this forum 24/7, 365, you will be on the safe side, whiner. Don’t believe we hadn’t got why nobody tried to shoot a hole into your brain, double asshole. They couldn’t very well use a microscope.

I push the button, the frog's

I push the button, the frog's leg jerks. Fascinating!

Looking for the button,

Looking for the button, whiner?

You know what they say about

You know what they say about the internet, Aushängeschild für Idiotie: The things you post hang around forever. Are you sure you want to be posting pix from momo family playtime at Zoo und Tierpark Berlin? This might open you up to charges of child (or perhaps elephant) abuse...

Have you not yet finished

Have you not yet finished with the only thing you can, whiner?

I was thinking it was a

I was thinking it was a Canadian thing, but perhaps this elephant-ass-affection is a more widespread kink. Then again, Germans and their perversions ...

Revealing that you think it

Revealing that you think it was affection, whiner.

Because I have a moment, and

Because I have a moment, and it's fun, a little education for you:

whine   [hwahyn, wahyn] verb, whined, whin·ing, noun verb (used without object)

1. to utter a low, usually nasal, complaining cry or sound, as from uneasiness, discontent, peevishness, etc.: The puppies were whining from hunger.

2. to snivel or complain in a peevish, self-pitying way: He is always whining about his problems.

insult [v. in-suhlt; n. in-suhlt]

1. to treat or speak to insolently or with contemptuous rudeness; affront.

2. to affect as an affront; offend or demean.

3. Archaic . to attack; assault.

The latter is what I do; the former is what you do. Let me know what further clarification you need in how English works. Always happy to help!

What you do is: you show what

What you do is: you show what a worthless asshole you are, whiner. You can shit, you can whine, you can get drunk, and that's it. Loser.

Actually I could post that a

Actually I could post that a third time. Henry the asshole won't get it.

Speaking of getting drunk ...

Speaking of getting drunk ... late night with the bottle? Something got you sleepless and searching the internet for elephant ass-related pix?

Clueless, whiner? Nobody's

Clueless, whiner? Nobody's surprised.

Now now, don't be that way.

Now now, don't be that way. Far be it from me to deny you a drunken rant, after mine of the other day. The difference, however, is that ALL of the relentlessly negative tripe you post sounds like a drunken rant. Now, if it's true that you are, in fact, continually in a drunken stupor, you should let us all know. After all, it's not fair to you OR us to conclude, as we all have, that you are merely a puling idiot. If you're a DRUNKEN puling idiot, allowances can be made.

Clueless then. As expected.

Clueless then. As expected.

Listen, I know it's hard to

Listen, I know it's hard to type when you're inebriated. But did you see how long mine was? Concentrate, and try a little harder (until you pass out, that is)! There's a good little troll.

Whining asshole

Whining asshole

That hardly seems like trying

That hardly seems like trying harder. Your little troll eyes are getting droopy, aren't they?

Whining louder, asshole?

Whining louder, asshole?

Quite a refined vocabularity

Quite a refined vocabularity you have there.  I take it you've run out of cogent speech and only have vulgarity remaining.  How proud your children must be.

Adapting to the language the

Adapting to the language the scum I am talking to understands. Racists don't deserve better than that anyway.

Then you better hope that you

Then you better hope that you do not get what you deserve.

Stepping up the

Stepping up the defamation,Mike? Where have I ever been racist?

Just so y'all don't think I

Just so y'all don't think I was bullshittin' everybody, and in an attempt to maintain some semblance of credibility, here are a few of my father's patents:

http://patents.justia.com/inventor/FRANCISCPETERSON.html

http://www.boliven.com/patents/search?q=inventor:(%22Francis+Peterson%22)

 

Wouldn't have thought that

Wouldn't have thought that regardless, but that's a cool list, Alan. Your dad must be something. Bet your school science projects were second to none

Thanks, Henry.  I think, as

Thanks, Henry.  I think, as much as anything, I just wanted to take the opportunity to brag about my Dad.  I'm pretty proud of what he's accomplished.

And is was fun growing up in that house.  There was always some kind of weird shit to play with. We had a tube wrapped with an electromagnet, one time, and as fast as you could shove metal slugs in the back end of the tube, it would fire them out the front.  So I had a playtoy, silent machine gun to mess around with.  Although it was frustrating at times.  When I was a kid, and one of my toys would break, he's hand me a screwdriver and say, "Take it apart and figure out how to fix it."

You probably know this one

You probably know this one from George Herbert: "One father is more than a hundred schoolmasters."

As an aside ... been cracking

As an aside ... been cracking myself up the past few minutes picturing Brendan and der idiot hunched over their keyboards feverishly typing variations of "elephant ass elephant crap man in elephant's ass" into Google images...

“der idiot” Haha! Double

“der idiot”

Haha! Double asshole whiner can’t even get the gender right. Sits in the glasshouse and shouts “idiot”. How pathetic.

Actually, I think it's Alan

Actually, I think it's Alan who has the house with lots of glass (views must be nice). Mine's brick and fieldstone. Either sounds more comfy than a troll hole. But then, each to what suits them best, yes? And I'm not sure trolls have a gender -- why would they need one? So, sorry ... das idiot!

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