The fanatical cries of USA, USA show the extent of public gullibility. Killing off Osama at this late stage shows that he had outlived his usefulness as a figurehead to justify TWIT (The War Increasing Terrorism). As the Palestinian Prime Minister put it, it was a "major, mega landmark event marking the end of a person who clearly was involved in acts of terror and destruction." The USA can now be expected to enter an era of more rational policy where, as in Libya, it seeks international approval for military action. Obama's speech cynically played on the emotions of the mob while his policies are more likely to continue moving towards an America that is less of a rogue state.

Hi Saida,

I am glad that you are back.

The US will probably regret very much that they didn’t give OBL a decent burial. You are right about their reasons: they are still afraid of him, incredibly. Nobody has told them that Sunnis, unlike Shias or Catholics don’t have saints, and that salafists don’t tend to make shrines out of graves anyway. I don’t claim that I know much about Islamic rites, but even I know that Islam only knows burial at sea if the person died on the high seas and there is absolutely no way to bury them in earth.

I am sure that the US government miscalculated badly there. Not because there will be a new wave of terrorism, that is a thing of the past. Nobody has forgotten that it took a full week after the Egyptians disposed of Mubarak in their wonderful revolution before an Al Qaeda figure even commented (and it was a completely inane comment). Al Qaeda lost the little relevancy it still had in that moment. (By “nobody” I mean people who are interested, of course. Our resident neocon warmongers probably were not aware of the fact.)

It is simply contemptible. Mike has told you another reason besides ignorance, unintentionally: revenge. He told you of the many cases when Muslim terrorists didn’t respect their victims’ dead bodies either. True, but who else would find it right to stoop to the same level of baseness?

Another thing that will backfire is that OBL was killed, not caught. The only lawful thing would have been to capture him, and to put him on trial. Trying to capture him could have gone wrong, and resulted in his death. It would have been announced differently, though. The triumphant tone would not have been there. It would have been understood as the failure to capture him, not as a victory. The people who started dancing in the streets in the US clearly wanted revenge, not justice. I find that repulsive.

This is another example of how much the US are removed from the public opinion in most countries of the world. They have moved away from the rule of the law rapidly.

Ah, and one thing more, Saida: don’t take the people who are very loud about their Christianity here to be the norm of Christians, will you? They are not, and that’s mildly put.

The hatred posted from the Mideast and the hatred posted from Germany conjunct nicely, forming a kind of hatred bridge. Not exactly pleasant or heart-warming, perhaps, but it's nice to see like minds reach out and find each other. Perhaps someone from elsewhere can join in, to form a hate triumvirate ....

Nice quote on the anti-Muslim site, Jihad Watch.

The statement Monday said the group (Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood) "is against violence in general, against assassinations and in favor of fair trials"

http://tinyurl.com/6889qna

The Pentagon retracted most of their yesterday’s spin:

The “human shield” story was pure fiction.

Bin Laden didn’t shoot and apparently wasn’t even armed.

I wonder if Mike and Henry will amend their claims to match the new Pentagon spin, or if they will stick to their blabber of yesterday.

As we have suspected, there was never a plan to capture OBL:

“They were told, ‘We think we found Osama bin Laden, and your job is to kill him,’” an official recalled.

The SEALs started to cheer

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54151.html#ixzz1LHRmW5zV

There is a word for this “job”: murder.

(Alan? Do you call that “murder” or “defending human rights” or something else?)

The hatred posted from the Mideast and the hatred posted from Germany conjunct nicely

Hatred. Actually disbelief in a story that even the Pentagon had to retract by now. No matter for Henry: he calls it hatred.

Henry,

If you possessed a shred of decency, you would apologise. I don’t expect that you will, though.

Too bad Saida and Momo are obsessed with disrespect shown to a dead terrorist and oblivious the disrespect shown their thousands of innocent victims. 

Within 24 hours, OBL's body was washed and wrapped in white linen and consigned to the sea with Muslim prayers, because no other country would take him.  The mere fact the US went to that length demonstrates a respect for Islam, despite a lack of respect for a despicable, murdering coward, who made his final stand using a woman as a human shield.  Reasonable moderate Muslims respect the efforts the US made to respect Islam, even if they found them inadequate.

I am satisfied that OBL's soul will burn eternally in hell, while his body is consumed by the sea. 

it is not you mike who will decide where he will go . may be you will go to hell as also you killed so many innocent people in your raids. also sharron and netanyahoo inchallh will go to hell for killing innocent people , but even me i cant say , may be netanyahoo or sharoon repent . At least oBL was a reaction for your government terror. You are not God or even your government to say that he is in hell or not

by the way many muslim figures in islamic world say he is a martyee. it is God who decide mike and not you or your news or channels wich are zionists all.

Too bad Saida and Momo are obsessed with disrespect shown to a dead terrorist and oblivious the disrespect shown their thousands of innocent victims

Obsessed? Can you elaborate why you think either of us is “obsessed”? Or are you perhaps just trying to insinuate that our concerns were irrational?

Saida has pointed out eloquently what many in the Muslim world think about the disrespect shown to a dead man, and for that it doesn’t matter if he was a terrorist while alive. It is a matter of respect for human life and death. I sense another moment of declaring humans “vermin” here. And as I pointed out yesterday: it will backfire on the US.

And neither of us is oblivious to the disrespect shown to OBL’s victims. Both Saida and I have made clear that we would not stoop to the same level. You on the other hand have made clear by raising that argument that you find it right to copy your enemy’s atrocities.

by the way mike you said a wrong thing as OBL used a sheild. he never use a sheild and he even was brave and didnt surrender. one muslim scholar  said he chooses to die as martyee . of course God will choose who to be martyee and of course not any of your soldiers who go to shoot in their homes as israeli did to peopole in their homes.

the person who left money even he is multimillioner , left this world to defend the poor people and to fight America and israel for their aggression and stealing and killing muslims is not cower and got a sheild.

iam with whole muslims very angry not for his death as all of us will die on one specific day designed by allah almighty , but angry as he was burried in the sea with no respect to islam and muslim feelings and that will creat a great hatret toward USA administration and to whom follow them. all muslims are angry of that humulation and nobody knows islam represents to all of us as a trejoure and very valuable.

You on the other hand have made clear by raising that argument that you find it right to copy your enemy’s atrocities.

OBL refused to surrender and got a double-tap...one in the chest and another to the head.  Then he was given a burial at sea with respect to his religion.  On all accounts, it's pretty clear the US failed miserably in their attempts to copy their enemy's atrocities.

Yes,  Brennan mispoke.  But frankly, even if that part of the story is inaccurate, it changes nothing about the rest.  You can mourn OBL all you want.  In fact, you might find this useful.

I’m fed up with your disingenuous attempts to misrepresent me, Mike.

Your sympathies are obvious.  I'm merely putting them under a microscope.  Sorry if you don't like the view.

What do you think where I am? I am already in a country that is part of the evil and the butchering! A country that is becoming a police state by its participation in these wars. What can be worse?

Gee, an unarmed man “refused to surrender” to two helicopter loads of highly trained and heavily armed special forces. They had no choice but to shoot him.

Oh dear, what a story.

You on the other hand have made clear by raising that argument that you find it right to copy your enemy’s atrocities.

You ought to know what policies I find useful in order to fight terrorism. Military means are not on my list.

Your sympathies are obvious, even if you continue to delude yourself.  If I am misrepresenting your sympathies, then it is because you have failed to articulate them sufficiently.  Your greatest defender is a Palestinian terrorist apologist!  That is very revealing, even if it's lost on you.

You seek to diminish the significance of OBL's death and the heroic US military actions that made that justice possible; your sympathies are crystal clear.   I simply accept what you say prima fascia and hold you accountable.  I'm sorry if you find that much truth uncomfortable.  

It was the military means which you eschew that were the only means possible to bring OBL to justice.  The significance that there were so many women and children present and so few killed because the US chose to use boots on the ground, instead of Tomahawks from the air escapes you.  The fact you compare US tactics with enemy atrocities is outrageously biased.  The fact that you assume the woman killed and the other injured were innocent is a sexist perspective.  Woman can and are just as effective killers as men--I'm sure Saida will affirm that.  Palestinian women have raised and been themselves very effective bombers.

The only innocents present were the children who were not there by choice.  They were spared, not sacrificed as is so common in Islamo-fascist terrorism.  The mere fact you find the death of OBL irrelevant speaks volumes of your insensitivity to the thousands of innocents killed at his hands.  Their innocent blood is apparently irrelevant to you as well.

No.  There is no misrepresentation there.   I have you pegged accurately.  If you find that despicable, then you've earned it and I'm sorry for you.   

You are still misrepresenting me.

The fact that you assume the woman killed and the other injured were innocent is a sexist perspective.  Woman can and are just as effective killers as men 

I don’t believe I even used the the word “innocent” on this thread. For the definition of murder it is completely irrelevant if the victim is innocent or not. You ought to know that. I’ve never claimed that women were less brutal than men by nature either. How do you get that idea? On the other hand nobody has claimed that the women who were with Bin Laden had used any violence.

It was the military means which you eschew that was the only means possible to bring OBL to justice. 

You are entitled to your opinion, but you can’t claim that my position that killing a man without due process is not justice was exotic or worse, sympathetic to terrorism. Want some links to mainstream media saying practically the same?

The mere fact you find the death of OBL irrelevant speaks volumes of your insensitivity to the thousands of innocents killed at his hands.  Their innocent blood is apparently irrelevant to you as well 

That would have been for a trial to find out. As to your numbers: by “thousands” you probably mean the victims of 9/11. You are aware that no prosecutor has ever claimed that OBL was involved in that, aren’t you? The FBI says they have no evidence for that. And now it is extremely unlikely that we will get to know the truth of that.

As I said above (but what you chose to ignore) I would have wished OBL had been put on trial. Now you tell me a trial of the man would have been insensitive to his victims! A trial, Mike! The only way to ascribe guilt to a person in every civilised country.

Bin Laden had already become a marginal figure in AlQaeda, and Al Qaeda itself has lost relevance too by the Arab revolutions. His death is not of much relevance, and it is absolutely not “sympathetic” to terrorism to say so. You don’t like it, because you love the so-called war on terror. That’s the only reason why you misrepresent me.

Now that OBL is fish food, Ayman al Zawahiri...

You're next.