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Odd that Tom Burke's article "Climate Change: time to get real" http://www.opendemocracy.net/globalization-climate_change_debate/climate_change_3939.jsp is one of the all-time big hitters on oD with nearly 23,000 hits, but there has been no discussion on the Forums about it. This is a second attempt to get a thread started. Tom said it is time we focused .. on three simple questions: how much governments need to spend, on what, and by when. Your starter for 10: How much: at least as much as they currently spend on militarism. Instead of , not as well as. On what: Energy efficiency and renewable power, within a framework of Contraction and Convergence.

Tom Burke asks the green movement to focus on advising governments how much they need to spend, on what, and by when. OK, let's make a start. They need to spend exactly the same amount on climate change avoidance as they spend on the military. This is quite reasonable, since climate change is a far greater threat to global security than Mr bin Laden. If governments find they cannot quite afford a doubling of their military budget, the logical answer is to vire money from the military to climate change. I am sure people who feel insecure as a result will be happy to organise bring and buy sales c to supplement the military budget.

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Sunspots reaching 1,000-year high By Dr David Whitehouse BBC News Online science editor Sunspots are plentiful nowadays A new analysis shows that the Sun is more active now than it has been at anytime in the previous 1,000 years. Scientists based at the Institute for Astronomy in Zurich used ice cores from Greenland to construct a picture of our star's activity in the past. They say that over the last century the number of sunspots rose at the same time that the Earth's climate became steadily warmer. This trend is being amplified by gases from fossil fuel burning, they argue.

Regarding the claim regarding volcanoes on The Great Global Warming Swindle : http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/What/VolGas/volgas.html QUOTE: Comparison of CO2 emissions from volcanoes vs. human activities. Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1999, 1992). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 22 billion tonnes per year (24 billion tons) ( ( Marland, et al., 1998) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2.). Human activities release more than 150 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of nearly 17,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 13.2 million tonnes/year)!

...and of the atmospheric CO2, about 5% is produced by human activity. At capitalistic zealots are distorting the realities of our climate for POLITICAL, not environmental reasons.

For now it seems scientists are thinking in the smoke or fog... They watch too much the sky but the solution is underground.If we use the global warming with water repartition ( global water management ) the vegetation will grow up. Ok for now it is just a new game in mountain of France with some crazy poeple..... The name of the association is call " Les biefs du Pilat " Just see: http://www.dailymotion.com/jeandb/1 But after thinking it will be for you a drug too. We will make a world competition to dig by hands the longest canal with water. Our score here is 10 km

The debate on climate change does not yet focus strongly enough (at least in the public consciousness) on the link between climate change and global warming on the one hand and overuse of resources and large ecological footprints on the other. There is a hierarchy of topics and 'labels', which follows a descending order in the public mind: ~ top are climate change and global warming - 'the planet's getting hotter' + 'we must do something or we're doomed' ~ next is carbon emissions - 'we must cut them back to stop global warming, climate change etc' ~ then come a range of concrete things we feel we should be cutting down on (flying) or doing more more of (recycling) or changing to doing (buying local produce)

Global Warming IS the greatest danger to the survival of our Planet today. Forget about Terrorism and Nuclear war, if we do not clean up our act, the earth will NOT be a livable place for anyone in the future. The basic problem is this. Our greenhouse emissions have increased in line with population growth. The more people the planet has, the more fossil fuel we consume. You use fossil fuel for electricity, in your car, in mining and industry for the raw materials in your house and your place of work, in the construction of these places, in the farms that provide food for the people. You need more water so you build more dams.

James Hansen's argument that we are living in GLOBAL historically warm period is lacking the facts. I'll give some data, studies & proxies showing that "warmer than ever" doesn't make sense e.g in climate history of Scandinavia and Russia. The temperature reconstruction for Finnish Lapland between 8300 and 4000 cal. yr BP indicates a mean July temperatures at least 2.6

"Over the Rainbow" ISBN 1-4116-7030-2, set in contemporary flooded London may help to win popular support for immediate action. It is scientifically sound, if somewhat dramatic. http://www.lulu.com/content/207331

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The U.K. Independent leads today (28-3-2006) with the story that an all-party group of M.P.s in the Westminster Parliament is forming to push for action towards Aubrey Meyer's Contraction and Convergence. We Brits have been predictably dismal at cutting our emissions, basically because a political system in which parties compete for election by promising limitless economic growth, prevents anybody from hinting that growth (so called) might be the problem. Also, as an attempt to side-step adversarial party politics and introduce a bit of long-term vision, it's reminding me of John Bunzl's Simultaneous Policy programme, which (says Bunzl) could deliver a similar result internationally, by rather similar means.