Ukraine: the orange revolution

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In 1990, A Russian called Victor from Ukrane once talked with me that he wanted to work in western countries and we were good friends. Right now, Ukrane does not have oil like Russia and does not have proper political policy and economic policy. If Ukrane really learns from western countries, she should have to learn the working attitude and governing methods of western countries. Some countries, like Japan, also do not have resources but can develop into rich countries. So, Ukrane should try to learn from the countries like Japan.

I have no doubt Motyl is right that Russia was flexing nasty muscle in raising gas prices. But what _should_ the gas price to Ukraine be? When I last looked -- admittedly some time ago -- Ulkraine was benefitting from _very_ cheap gas, way below replacement cost. We need to know to judge Russia's actions: is Russia withdrawing a favour it used to make to a client state ( - the harsh realities of growing to be independent, market-based and democratic -) or is Russia using monopoly clout? Is ukraine paying more than Rurhgas? or the UK at Bacton? I doubt it. And on the topic of negotiating clout: Ukraine is a necessary transition point for ALL Gazprom's gas to Europe. What sorts of transit rights does Gazprom pay Ukraine? Is Ukraine sovereign over that transit? Could it threaten to stop Gazprom's supplies to Europe?

What revolution you are talking about? Are you talking about the fact that some other foreign power centers will start dictating with the future of Ukrainians? What is so revolutionary about that? Ukrainian people will keep they misery status as long as they let other make decisions in their name. Ukrainian people will go forward in the moment they start feeling the power to change, the power that wont be fabricated by mass media and marketing agencies that parasite todays political process. Best wishes to all of Ukraininans!

The assumption that Ukraine “belongs” to a Russian sphere of influence is belied by the country modern history and political prospects. The “orange revolution” in Ukraine has been inspired by the rejection of the presidential elections by the majority of the population. But it is also the culmination of a lengthy process, involving a deep conflict between the country’s rulers and the Ukrainian people about what kind of future Ukrainians deserve. This process has been evolving since the 1990s, after Ukraine gained independence from the Soviet Union. It has even deeper roots in Ukraine’s painful modern history – including the Stalinist liquidations of the early 1930s and the severe repressions of the later Soviet era, when the regime in Ukraine suppressed all forms of dissidence.

Gee, the first to put up a post in a brand-new thread! :) Okay, this subject - the Ukrainian "Orange Revolution" runs completely counter to my expectations. When the protesters first hit the streets in Kiev, I was expecting the tanks and riot squads to wade in mob-handed to "sort it all out". But that didn't happen, and the Orange Revolutionaries have actually achieved their primary aim (or maybe "the first aim"), to secure a new election. To say that this is impressive given the Ukraine's apparently-poor regard for democratic processes is something of an understatement. However, I really know very little about the Ukraine or its people, and my impressions have been from casual perusal of magazine articles, not, you would agree, the best source for veracity.