http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwCn-IT_zZA&mode=related&search= Listen to this pencil neck geeks lame explanation. I especially like the line, ""Non-Muslims can train us in their technology but must not be allowed to express their religion in an Islamic State" Anybody else sick of islam and muslims?

"They make up stuff and call it islamic when infact it is not. 72 virgin story is one such thing that is completely made up, but I don't know who made it up." The righteous shall return to a blessed retreat: the gardens of Eden, whose gates shall open wide to receive them. Reclining there with bashful virgins for companions, they will call for abundant fruit and drink. Q 38:51-2 They are to cohabit with demure virgins...as beauteous as corals and rubies...full-breasted maidens for playmates...in the gardens of delight.... They're to lie face to face on jewelled couches, and be serviced by immortal youths...young boys, their personal property, as comely as virgin pearls.... We created the houris [dancing girls] and made them virgins, carnal playmates for those on the right hand.... We are going to wed them to dark-eyed houris. [The Koran 55:56; 55:58; 78:33; 56:12; 52:16-17, 24; 56:35-38; 52:20] " ... most people don't understand islam, including most muslims." That much seems to be true. HH

I suggest you read a muslim translation of the Qur'an. Here are some translations: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/ One realizes the true beauty of the classical language and the message when one understands the arabic it is written in and does not rely on someones translation, however since you dont understand arabic, at least try to get a muslim translation.

I have many comments but I'll try to keep it short. Bush is a puppet and is not responsible for the Iraq invasion. Bush is an incompetent that has been made to believe he is on some mission from God. Bush is part of the "Skull and Bones" group out of Yale, as is Kerry, Bush Sr., and Bush Sr. Sr. They are part of the elite that are trying to control this planet. This group has its roots in a similar German group. Call it evil, Satanic or whatever. I personally think it is Satanic and that there really are evil spirits, as the bible says. One really cannot deny that spirits exist based on so many unexplained events of today. Another discussion. The Muslims are getting out of hand, and control of oil and the middle east is paramount. One of the stated goals of one of these groups is to have a world population of 500 million. (Coasttocoastam.com has summaries of different guests- one talked about this a couple weeks ago). That's quite a reduction. My feeling is they are using the Bible predictions to start a world war and get us to nuke each other until the population is reduced. The US government is already or has made large underground facilities in Colorado. THey are also using immunizations in the third world to do this, weakening the populations in reality. In fact they are doing this in the US as well I think. (the dramatic rise in Autism for example is linked to immunizations). And the Muslim leaders are taking advantage of the situation by trying to gain power and control, and using their uneducated but very loyal and unquestioning subjects as puppets to do these evil things like suicide bombings. Yet the clerics are also puppets and do not realize it, playing right into the hands of the elite. We as average people know that we are very much alike and have common peaceful goals. Quibbling about the details of heaven is such a waste of effort. There is a much deeper and more serious agenda that will get most of us killed I think unless we start getting smarter about our focus. I don't know why Muslims are so afraid to question Muhammed. Many Christians have explored other religions first or have not been raised as Christians. I think it is healthy to read about other religions or at least read about those who have done so. One post said terrorists are "hell bent on destruction". Well, they think they are heaven bent. This is where the Muslims can try to tell them in their worship or something that this will not get them to heaven. And heaven is not earthly, as in having great sex etc. This is really ridiculous I think and there is no evidence of this. Just somebody's dream that was sexually frustrated. Will I get a million dollars too? How about 1000 acres of land? 400 horses? I like nice cars. Can I have 100 exotic cars? See how ridiculous this is? We are spiritual beings in human bodies and sex is to reproduce here on earth. You don't do that in the sprit world. You don't have a body anyway. Come on- use your God given brain a little.

asaf.khan01, Heaven is a spirit world so any talk of virgins or earthly pleasures does not make sense to me; from what we hear from those who have seen a glimpse of it from near-death experiences, it is a wonderful place, and you see your dead relatives, a white light, your life passing before you, a mission revealed, etc. There is no question in my mind that the hereafter is a wonderful place. Nobody has reported on Hell though. Does it really exist? Probably. Anyway it is hard to not wonder about it. The Bible, Qu'ran and other religions and peoples have various descriptions. But from what I hear, any form of suicide really defeats our purpose and will not get you there. Life is a gift, a miracle. Even today we hear of miraculous events. I heard a man tell a story on the coast to coast a.m. radio show (Art Bell) how he was basically brought back from being dead. He was walking in a field, started to have a heart attack, sat down to die, heard a voice that told him to get up and walk to a house and tell (gave a name) to call 911 and that he was having a heart attack. The voice told him he was going to have a 3 month rest. He did so, and he said it was very strange walking, like in a trance, not seeing well, etc. He delivered his message and all went black, and he basically was dead. Then he started to wake up, at the hospital, and they were trying to revive him with shock paddles. They would shock him, and he heard them say "0" (the pulse rate). After a couple times, he thought he better tell them he was awake, and suddenly sat up. The doctor, shocked, said "Lie down, we're trying to revive you. He did, and after the next shock, his heart started again. The doctor and attendant yelled happily that they got him going, and couldn't believe it. They told the man he was "DOA" (dead on arrival) and could not believe he was alive. The man had heart surgery and fully recovered after a 3 month recovery as the voice had said. Then he was at a cafe and saw a man come in who looked at him in shock. "What's the matter with you" he said. "I hauled you to the hospital in my ambulance, and you were dead!" So strange things happen even today. I believe this story, because of how it was told and it was just one of many callers on the show. Art Bell said he believes in a hereafter because of many calls like that one. There are also many calls about evil things, spirits, hauntings, Ouigee board experiences, etc. People experience some bizarre things, and it would be hard to make them up. These show us that there is much we do not or cannot know about the hereafter, and need not know. It is there, and we will all go there soon enough. The point I really wanted to raise is the real purpose of the wars etc. going on. These are designed to ultimately reduce the world population I think- get us all fighting so we will kill each other off, while the elite hide underground or in Switzerland or wherever.

"and never hear a "moslem community leader" actually condemn them , there is always an excuse, usually blaming the jews." actually that is also quite baseless accusation. Here is an online listing of many major Islamic organizations, movements and leaders who routinely condemn terrorism: http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php Your comments only show that you are the type who watch fox news and see and hear only what you want to.

I have posted the link and for the life of me cant understand why the brits havent picked these scumbags up and charged them with incitement to terrorism. Hey brits, it may be time for some vigilante justice with these pieces of shit! I know I sure would like to deal personally with the scum from new jersey and faiz muhammad from australia. If I had 5 minutes alone with either of them it would be many years before you heard ANY hate come out of either one of these scumbags. Not that all of the other imams heading the mosques dont deserve the same fate, its just that these 2 assholes need to be put on the priority list.

Here is a link to some of the "Undercover Mosque" show. It is kind of interesting http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24026&only&rss

steelers i went to your link! it was amazing i beleive you now, lets send it to the whole world!

steeler 1- when I watch one of the interview between the egyptian lady whom she is not christian nor jewish nor muslim and was insulting islam and that was on al jazeera tv in arabic which really I want to listen to the defendant who is an islamic scholar and this episole I miss it and didnt watch it in our local tv , so really I was upset that why youtub didnt video the whole argument and only show us the accusation, what that means . Once I watch one of the video and was a christian lady with the reporter in cnn , they showed us the allegation and defendant as both parties are christians and that issue was about God hate america. I hope you watch it, so you got both opinions and all viewers also then they can judje themselves, but when the issue is dealing with muslims and islam , you cut and paste evedents and not permitting the posters to listen to the other opinion. Really I will be gratefull to youtub if they will video it all completely. I know that they dont want others to hear the answers and then you want us to believe in your democracy ? 2- always I told you we want justice when it comes to muslim issues like others. The media is totally bias and I admit that we are muslims and arabs are poor in conveying the wright message as western do. it is not the truth of what is always shown in some channels, one has to search for truth and really sometimes I can give execuses to ordinary western people as it is not their fault that they dont see what we see and many times cant see behind the event as their media is bias.

steeler 1- I mean cut and paste, as you choose what it is only suites you and you didnt answer my questions why youtub didnt video the whole discussion between the lady and the muslim scholar and only they cut her speeches and paste it in the video and leave the other, that what I mean ,as may be also it is may be too advanced for you to comprehend that. 2- thank you for correcting me the word right as usually I wrote quickly my thoughts and I dont use spell check ,so tell me how . I dont need it , but if it is exist in the oD forum , so Iam grateful to know , we have to learn tell the last moment of our life and it is not shame to learn even from my enemy as this is the message also of islam if you agree or not. ( sure u will not agree as usual ) .

i will be both the problem and the solution!! yes lets conquer the world, hurray for bananas!

But isn't this all just a fight with in Islam - itself. People of the Islamic world/ like people over the whole world not only see liberty, they want it. While, all others move towards this freedom, the Islamic world is torn apart by it. Where its masses are being drawn to liberty and freedom, its more religious and or ruling faction, is attempting to discourage this desire. This is where the real war is. To do this, Western society needs to be vilified, as being out of control, and away from the order and purity or cleanliness offered up by Islam. The people are told that if they don't follow the religion, that the whole society would break down, just as it did before the Prophet (never mind Ancient Egypt and the Greek and the Roman societies, to name a few). Since the people will fall into a state of disorder, without the support of teachings of Islam, one, is then justified in using violence as a means to keep the people, in line with the Islamic Law and Order, for their own good. This blog is typical of the wishy-washy Islamic babble, coming from the moderates. Islamic people will have to face and deal with their own dichotomy; is it going to be 'freedom of the individual' or 'one religious rule for all'? This is not our business.

steeler 1- thanks,because Iam a women and always in a hurry, I admit that the first time I saw the spell check above the box and because of that the narration of prophet mohamed (pbuh) was wright as women are deficcient in mind and in relegion and of course not all women , but I admit and most of us muslim women admit in that. The video you send also show that, as of course you took it to make fun of muslims teaching and it was shown that the women is first talk and then think and the man is in reverse and that is totally wright and for that and other reasons usually 2 women equal to 1 man in witnessing as the women has no time if she care about the home fully .( when you answer pls use neutral words and not abusive ). 2- You wrote to mr cherif, that our arabic language is nasty ? I dont think so, the language of Quran chooses from god is not nasty . ok, if you consider it like that as we are muslims and arabs your enemy , so learn your enemy language inorder to defed us well , better than killing us, you can defend us by education and not by using mass destruction weapons. ( choose the noble way to defend and fight with your enemy). 3- Iam a very lay person and palestinian and you know our traditional enemy in this world and eventhough one time I try to learn hebrow and I took many lesssons , and I took this opportunity when it was availabe and I want to follow teaching of our prophet mohamed (pbuh) as he encouraged us to learn the language of our enemy as to defead them . ( who is more broad minded and have wide perspective of the world ). I didnt feel it is shame to learn hebrew , as all languages are neutral and really may be you dont have the wide perspective to understand and it will be your benefit to learn arabic . See most of the poor palestinians in the occupied terroteries can speak fluent hebrew as fluent arabic and they are pure arabs and muslims, they like to learn the language of their enemies, without forgetting their language and the language of their Quran. ( again mr steeler , even if you dont beleive in Quran , dont use bad words against it , as we muslims also respect the original version of old testement toarat, and new testement which is bible ). 4- I told you thank you , even if you dont believe in my relegion as you told me to spell check, so also have tolerance to accept others opinions or at least not to aggresively fight them. Life is so short to gain many enemies.

Re: gallup survey shows muslims dont want extremism Posted: 30-Jan-2007 20:11 the 9 arrested in Birmingham seemed to want extremism, as they planned to behead a muslim soldier live on the Net. Perhaps now that the fanatics are targeting their own community, the "moderates" might at last wake up and see what's going on, instead of complaining about the police "persecuting"them.