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Here we go again - US inspired move to electoral fraud in Iraq


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It is clear that Iyad Allawi, the Pentagon's puppet leader in Iraq, is now determined to remove from the scene as much of the political opposition to him in the forthcoming election as he can. The announcement to day by the Intermim Iraqi Governement that 3,000 'Ba'athists' have been arrested is aimed at pinning an unacceptable stigma on people who in any kind of genuine democratic election, should have their voices taken into account. First of all, it is necessary to clear up the misconceptions about Ba'athism that are bandied about. The Party's motto of Wahdah, Hurriyah, Ishtirrakiyah means "Unity, Freedom, Socialism". 'Unity' refers to pan-Arab unity, 'Freedom' emphasizes freedom from Western interests in particular, and 'Socialism' specifically references Arab Socialism.There is nothing wrong in the aims of the party that should disqualify it from participation in an election. Given the history of Western Imperialism in the Middle East all the way from the British control of Egypt and Sudan in the 19th Century to the British control of Iraq after WWI and that of France over Syria at the same time and now in 2004 the American attempt to control Iraq, all of which were in the economic and politicl interests of the West rather than the Arabs, it is not surprising that a Party would emerge that opposed such exploitation. This aspect of course was not the only one of Ba'athism which also aimed at achieving a more equal society with educational opportunities for all and more justice. There was a recognition in the early days of the party that to be more effective in freeing the Middle East from Western imperialism and its pursuit of oil at any price, that the fragmented Arab nations would better be able to do so acting in concert. Saddam Hussein's murderous regime hijacked the authentic Ba'athist Party of an earlier time and should not be equated with Ba'athism.This would be equivalent to identifying the Italian and French Communist Parties of the present with Stalin's perverted Communism and crimes. Italian and French Communists stand in all elections in those countries. By the same token ex- Ba'athists should be allowed to stand in the January election. Far from all members of the Ba'athist Party belonged to Saddam's Council of Ministers. In Germany after the war, there were many who were members of the Nazi Party who stood in elections after the war as long as they had not personally had a hand in political murders. There are many who were required to be members of Saddam's Ba'athist Party, in order to be allowed to do their jobs in public service, who are involved in the arrests. These people may have a different idea of the policies for the betterment of Iraq and do not wish to support Allawi because of his close association with the CIA and US interests. Many regard Allawi as a ruthless aparatchik of the Americans and as being very capable of literally killing off of any opposition to his maintenance of power under the US.They can see him becoming the new 'democratically' elected US strongman in Iraq, using the newly trained security force to eliminate all authentic opposition. So we can now clearly see that the US aministration and its puppet is already going about its aim of undermining any genuine opportunity for the voice of the Iraqi people to be heard. This is the CYNICAL FRAUD that the neoconservatives are engagesd in. It will not bring peace to the Middle East nor will it bring the stated aim of longer term security to the US. It will only increase the turbulence below the ground which will eventually lead to a seismic catastrophy. Message was edited by: brolly2_1 Replies: 0 Pages: 1


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Re: Here we go again - US inspired move to electoral fraud in Ir
Doesn't it break your heart ? You prepare a lengthy comment, and then because you are not that good at typing, you press the wrong key and the whole thing goes up in smoke. Where do all these essays go to ? So, I will have to re-do the whole thing. No prizes for guessing what the content is.



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Re: Here we go again - US inspired move to electoral fraud in Ir
GTJ, I have had the same experience. I should save each paragraph on WORD as I type it but in the haste to get everything down while it is in my head or before I get mentally tongue tied, I don't and that is when these accidents happen.



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Re: Here we go again - US inspired move to electoral fraud in Ir
Did the same damn thing with the Nazis after WWII. Shocking. However, there is some wire crosed somewhere: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/13/international/middleeast/13baath.html



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Re: Here we go again - US inspired move to electoral fraud in Ir
It is pretty much a given that, whoever finishes up in charge in Iraq, it won't be anyone elected by any sort of democratic process as that term is understood by those of us in Australia, Britain Canada New Zealand etc. It will undoubtedly be an American puppet, thus continuing the long tradition of American ersatz colonialism. Examples abound. The most recent is of course Afghanistan. The American version of colonialism differs from that of say Britain in that the Americans have never been interested in actually physically occupying a country (other than their own), putting an administration in place, and bringing the benefist of colonialism to the country. They prefer to install a local with whom they can do business, pay him a fortune, and then economically exploit the country. They don't care if any of the money being paid to the ruler goes to the benefit of the country or not or what he does to the people of the country. Current examples are Equatorial Guinea and Angola. If an American installed leader is replaced by a leftist government which then tries to bring some sort of democratic processs to the country, and which shows signs of say nationalising American interests, or imposing tariffs on foreign goods, or otherwise taxing the American exploiters so that some benefits can flow to the people, that government is quickly overthrown. Nicaragua and Chile are perfect examples. Poor old Saddam must be ruing the day Maggie Thatcher came on the scene. He may have been a bastard but to borrow from Noam Chomsky he was America's bastard. They were quite happy even after he invaded Kuwait until Maggie got under George Senior's skin and pushed him to do something. I wonder why she did it ? It must have been to win another victory a la the Falklands and thereby ensure re-election. It didn't do her much good, it ultimately didn't do Saddam much good, and it certainly hasn't done the 500,000 Iraqi children or the 100,000 Iraqi civilians who have died since the invasion much good. I expect that the next chap will also be a bastard but he will at least be America's bastard, so all will be right with the world. Speaking of the 100,000 civilians, I expect that the team from Johns Hopkins who wrote the report published in the Lancet will now have trouble getting back into America. I wonder why it was published in the Lancet ? I expect that nobody in the US would publish it. Well. as I write the Americans are 'voting' ( if it can be called that ). Stories abound of computerised voting machines which when you press 2 for Democrat it registers 3 for Republican, and there is no paper trail to check. Not enough voting machines in Democrat areas. Many people struck off the rolls for being felons simply because they have the same name as a person who is a felon. Presumably many other forms of chicanery which have not been found out. The Republicans are the Tammany Hall of the 21st century. They are not afraid to cheat in order to win. I confidently expect that George will win. He has the power of the government to enable him to steal yet another election, he has the Osama bogeyman, he has Fox News to deliver his message. and the stupidity of middle America to swallow it. And if all that fails, they have teams of lawyers standing by to take any result to the courts. Isn't it embarrassing ? Supposedly modern and efficient etc etc and they can't even run an election properly. That fiasco in 2000 made them the laughing stock of the world ( apart from the areas which hate them, which of course have increased exponentially since the invasion). Speaking of Osama, I expect that the people of middle America now have their guns at the ready to protect themselves against the bogeyman. Never mind the British and the IRA, this is the real deal. The courage of these people in just going out their front doors in the morning amazes me. One never knows when one might wake up one morning and there on the doorstep is Osama and his fifty closest friends announcing that they have just invaded America. What a frightening prospect. By the same token, I don't expect things to change much if Kerry is elected. The spots on the American leopard are pretty much there to stay. After all, it was Clinton who bombed Serbia.



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Re: Here we go again - US inspired move to electoral fraud in Ir
GTJ, Poor old Saddam must be ruing the day Maggie Thatcher came on the scene. He may have been a bastard but to borrow from Noam Chomsky he was America's bastard. They were quite happy even after he invaded Kuwait until Maggie got under George Senior's skin and pushed him to do something. I wonder why she did it ? Maggie put 'lead' in George senior's pencil, but Bush senior would probably have followed the same course which he ultimately did. Saddam was a tyrant who invaded - annexed - another country. You might have heard of such things before. Appeasing dictators avails you nothing. If you don't believe me then you ought to visit a Commonwealth War Graves Commission Cemetery. They are perhaps the saddest places on earth, and there you will find the graves of young men, row upon row of them, many of them only inscribed 'Known unto God', and many of them probably younger than you today, who gave their lives so you might write such drivel. What a waste of life.



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Re: Here we go again - US inspired move to electoral fraud in Ir
Gawd, GTJ. Don't you know not to use irony in these situations? Completely lost on your target audience, I assure you!



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Re: Here we go again - US inspired move to electoral fraud in Ir
owly said to GTJ, ["Saddam was a tyrant who invaded - annexed - another country. You might have heard of such things before."] I am wondering if owly has ever heard of Vietnam! Which country was it that sent its army to another country in another continent, thousands of miles away and killed hundreds of thousands of people? Message was edited by: brolly2_1



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Re: Here we go again - US inspired move to electoral fraud in Ir
GTJ, A good posting and although capfka has a point about the character of some of the audience, it is nonetheless a welcome insight into the US brand of 'democracy' for other countries.


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