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Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
The link between Mind and Social / Environmental-Issues.
The fast-paced, consumerist lifestyle of Industrial Society is causing exponential rise in psychological problems besides destroying the environment. All issues are interlinked. Our Minds cannot be peaceful when attention-spans are down to nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds. Our Minds cannot be peaceful if we destroy Nature.
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment.
Subject : In a fast society slow emotions become extinct.
Subject : A thinking mind cannot feel.
Subject : Scientific/ Industrial/ Financial thinking destroys the planet.
Subject : Environment can never be saved as long as cities exist.
Emotion is what we experience during gaps in our thinking.
If there are no gaps there is no emotion.
Today people are thinking all the time and are mistaking thought (words/ language) for emotion.
When society switches-over from physical work (agriculture) to mental work (scientific/ industrial/ financial/ fast visuals/ fast words ) the speed of thinking keeps on accelerating and the gaps between thinking go on decreasing.
There comes a time when there are almost no gaps.
People become incapable of experiencing/ tolerating gaps.
Emotion ends.
Man becomes machine.
A society that speeds up mentally experiences every mental slowing-down as Depression / Anxiety.
A ( travelling )society that speeds up physically experiences every physical slowing-down as Depression / Anxiety.
A society that entertains itself daily experiences every non-entertaining moment as Depression / Anxiety.
Fast visuals/ words make slow emotions extinct.
Scientific/ Industrial/ Financial thinking destroys emotional circuits.
A fast (large) society cannot feel pain / remorse / empathy.
A fast (large) society will always be cruel to Animals/ Trees/ Air/ Water/ Land and to Itself.
I am trying to get the following experiment conducted in a psychophysiology/ bio-chemistry laboratory.
There is a link between visual / verbal speed ( in perception, memory,
imagery ) and the bio-chemical state of the brain and the body.
Emotion can intensify / sustain only when visual and verbal processing
associated with the emotion slows down ( stops / freezes ).
The degree of difficulty of an emotion depends upon the degree of
freezing (of visuals and words ) required to intensify and sustain that
particular emotion.
Experiment:
Subjects (preferably actors specialising in tragedy / tragic roles )
will be asked to watch a silent video film showing any of the
following:-
(1) Human suffering.
(2) Animal suffering.
(3) Suffering ( Destruction ) of Air / Water / Land / Trees.
Subjects will be asked to intensify and sustain the subjective feeling of pain/ grief for the sufferer.
The chemical changes associated with the emotion in the body(blood) would be measured by appropriate methods.
The silent video film will be shown at different speeds :
(1) 125% of actual speed.
(2) Actual/real speed.
(3) 75% of actual speed.
(4) 50% of actual speed.
(5) 25% of actual speed.
Results :
(1) Intensity of emotion increases with the decrease in visual speed.
(2) Intensity of emotion is maximum when visual speed is minimum (25%
of actual speed)
(3) The amount of chemical change associated with the emotion in the
body(blood) will be found to increase with the decrease in visual speed.
(4) The chemical change is maximum when visual speed is minimum.
(5) The amount of chemical change will increase with the decrease in
breathing rate. Breathing becomes so slow and non-rhythmic that it stops
for some time at the inhalation/ exhalation stages.
The above co-relations will be valid for all subjects -even for those who cannot feel pain/ grief. Such subjects will experience emotion associated with boredom/ discomfort/ restlessness/ irritability/ uneasiness. The chemicals released will be different but the co-relation between visual speed and amount of chemical will be same( the breathing rates will be different/ fast). All subjects will experience some kind of emotion.
[If scientists can discover 4000 different chemicals in cigarette-smoke then they can certainly detect the few chemicals released in blood when weexperience higher-level emotions like pain, empathy, compassion, remorse etc
Submitted on Mon, 2005-05-23 03:50
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Discussions, Debates and Arguments.
Let us examine how much discussion we are collectively having in Industrial Society every day.
Millions of pages in print newspapers / books / magazines.
Millions of web-pages on internet every day.
Now add to this all the conversation (discussion) we are having through radio / television / telephone and several other media every day.
And add to this all the discussion we are having through face-to-face interaction.
The volume of discussion per individual in one week is greater than the total discussion someone living in pre-industrial society would have in his entire life.
There is too much discussion in modern society.
Discussion is not solving our problems discussion itself has become a problem a gigantic problem.
A society that does mental work will discuss itself to destruction [extinction]
A society that does mental work will argue itself to destruction [extinction]
A society that does mental work will debate itself to destruction [extinction]
A society that does mental work can never stop discussions / debates / arguments it is impossible.
It will discuss / debate / argue till the last moment of its existence.
Discussions / Debates / Arguments these are creations of a society that has switched-over from physical work to mental work.
Discussions / Debates / Arguments these are diseases of a society that has switched-over from
physical work to mental work.
Discussions / debates / arguments can end only in agriculture-based societies that do physical work.
There is an inverse relationship between physical-work and mental-work.If one is high [more] the other has got to be low [less]
There is very little discussion / debate / argument in societies that do physical work - ie, agriculture-based societies - And this is the reason why they are millions of times saner than industrial societies.
Make things
Buy things
Sell things
This is not the purpose of life.
Destroys Shopping Culture.
Destroy Industrial Society.
No one deserves more.
Everyone deserves less.
Rainbow Warriors pick up your bows and arrows destroy Industrial Society.
Destroy Industrial Society before it is too late.
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Weapons Of Mass Destruction.
In the last few years there has been a lot of talk on Weapons of Mass Destruction.
There is just one Weapon of Mass Destruction the human species.
All Weapons of Mass Destruction have been made by the human species so actually there is just one Weapon of Mass Destruction.
First they make millions of tonnes of weapons and explosives [ of all kinds ] - and then they wonder why there is so much violence on earth.
Big mystery.
If you make millions of tonnes of weapons and explosives on earth they are going to be used on earth they are not going to be used on Mars.
Forget about all Weapons of Mass Destruction.
The consumerist lifestyle of human species is the biggest Weapon of Mass Destruction The consumerist lifestyle created by Industrial Society has destroyed all Animals & Trees and most of Water , Air and Land.
With a lifestyle like this who needs any other Weapon of Mass Destruction.
They talk about destroying Weapons of Mass Destruction.
If they are really serious about it they need to destroy the source.
Destroy Industrial Society.
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What a load of nonsense.
reminds me of Pol Pot and his year Zero - very dangerous!
Seems to me the best solution for you is to arrange to have a lobotomy and go live in a tree!
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Criminality and Abnormality.
Industrial Society has collectively killed billions of Animals and Trees.
It has also killed most of Water and Air [ Please note polluting Water and Air is equivalent to killing Water and Air ]
The soil was not fertile when the earth was created. It became fertile - very slowly - over a period of millions of years. And look what man has done - He has covered millions and millions of hectares of land with cement and concrete. All the land that has been covered with cement and concrete has been killed.
What could be more criminal than this.
What could be more abnormal than this.
Lawyers and Judges are trying to catch a few criminals.
They dont realize the entire Industrial Society is criminal.
Psychologists and Psychiatrists are trying to classify a few people as abnormal.
They dont realize the entire Industrial Society is abnormal.
Justice is waiting.
Industrial Society needs to be punished.
Destroy Industrial Society.
Dont worry about right action and wrong action.
No action can be wrong against a society that has killed billions of Animals and Trees - and most of Water , Air and Land.
Destroy Industrial Society.
Just do it.
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Regarding Industrialization there is an important point to be noted. Modern Industrial Society has existed for 100 years - 200 years - 300 years. When we compare this period with the total duration for which human society has existed on earth this period is so short - so small that it almost does'nt exist. It is almost zero.
Material things don't bring peace and happiness. Today billions of people have got things which even Kings did not have in the past. Car, computer, television, fridge, telephone - no King ever had these things. But people are still restless and unhappy. The fast-paced, consumerist lifestyle of Industrial Society is causing exponential rise in psychological problems - besides destroying the environment. Our Minds cannot be peaceful when attention-spans are down to nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds. Our Minds cannot be peaceful if we destroy Nature.
Consumerist-Lifestyle is just not sustainable. If we do not immediately return to living a very simple and frugal life then very soon there will be no human life on earth.
Think Positive.
Psychologists say -- Think Positive.
Politicians say Think Positive.
Economists say Think Positive.
Scientists say Think Positive.
Everyone says Think Positive.
Arctic ice is melting Glaciers are melting Rivers are drying up.
Think Positive.
Fish population in Oceans is down to 1/3 of what it was 100 years ago.
Think Positive.
Pollution levels are going sky-high and valley-deep.
Think Positive.
There used to be millions of members in most species of Animals and Birds. Now they are down to thousands and hundreds.
Think Positive.
Weather is getting more and more irregular and unpredictable.
Think Positive.
Thinking positive is the height of insanity.
Thinking positive is the height of abnormality.
This is a world that has become completely incapable of feeling Pain, Compassion, Remorse and Guilt.
The planet is getting destroyed moment by moment and people are thinking positive.
Very soon there will be 1 Animal and 1 Tree left in this world and people will still be thinking positive.
They will be holding Seminars, Conferences and Global-Summits to save the Environment.
sushil yadav
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The Illogical logic of Man.
A few birds have got infected with bird-flu and Man has started killing millions of birds.
They say birds are a threat to humans.
Sometime ago there was Mad Cow disease and Man started killing hundreds of thousands of cows.
They said cows are a threat to humans.
Ever since Man came into existence - millions of humans with infectious diseases have transferred such diseases to millions of other people - and will continue to infect millions more in future.
Such people are a threat to rest of the people.
Man should follow the same logic here and kill all infected people.
It is Man who has killed millions of people in Wars and other forms of Violence and can kill millions more any time in future.
Man should follow the same logic here and kill all people.
It is the human species which is the greatest threat to humans and all other life on this planet - In fact the human species is the only species which is a threat to all life on Earth.
Man has decimated all Animal and Plant species polluted the Sky and Oceans - and poisioned every square inch of earth.
In a mere 200 - 300 years Industrial Society has destroyed all that Nature laboriously created over a period of millions of years.
Humans pose the greatest threat to other humans.
Humans pose the greatest threat to all other life on earth.
The so-called Rational and Civilized Man should follow the same logic here - and destroy the entire human race.
sushil yadav
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There was a time when Man used to say
I work in order to feed my family.
I work in order to put Food on the Table.
Today man is putting a lot more than Food on the Table.
Cars, Computers, ipods, Aeroplanes, 200 TV Channels, Luxury Yatchs, Caribbean Vacations, Palatial Homes, Video Phones, Designer Clothes, Designer Drugs, Cosmetic Surgery The list is endless.
Man is putting thousands of consumer goods and services on the Table.
There is too much weight on the Table.
And the Table has begun to creak.
The more you put on your table the more you take out from the mouths of Animals and Birds.
The more you put on your table the more you kill Animals and Trees.
The more you put on your table the more you kill Water, Air and Land.
The more you put on your table the more you kill Mountains and Valleys.
The more you put on your table the more you kill the Sky and Oceans - the Rivers and Lakes.
There are so many things on the Table that one can barely see the Food.
We need just a few things to live.
And we are making thousands of things.
Billions of people are engaged in making, buying and selling of thousands of consumer goods.
Destroy Shopping Culture.
Destroy Industrial Society.
Go back to Simple Living.
Go back to putting just Food on the Table.
sushil_yadav
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I find it amusing how anti-scientific eco-worriers like Sushil Yadav use the super high-tec internet to propagate their ever so backward ideas.
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That is exactly the problem with people like you Courtney Hamilton. Environment is getting destroyed moment by moment - it is getting destroyed Left, Right and Center - And there are people like you who just cannot look beyond amusing themselves.
Lifestyle of Mass Destruction.
Destruction is an inherent feature of Development.
Progress = Destruction of Nature.
Development = Destruction of Nature.
We can have Sustainable Lifestyle.
We cannot have Sustainable Development.
Development can never be sustainable.
Sustainability and Development cannot exist together.
Development and Sustainability are opposites.
Development and Sustainability are contradictory.
Sustainable Living is associated with consuming less being satisfied with a simple and frugal life.
Development is associated with never ending desires always wanting more.
Sustainable lifestyle requires Constancy.
Sustainable lifestyle requires Sameness.
Sustainable lifestyle requires Repetition.
Development is associated with Change.
Development is associated with New.
Development is associated with Transience.
Industrial Societies can never be sustainable When you make thousands of consumer goods you kill Nature - you kill Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land.
A Society that does mental work [city based] can never be sustainable - it will keep on making consumer goods - destroying the environment moment by moment.
Only agriculture-based societies that do physical work can be sustainable.
The term Sustainable Development is like the terms
Stationary Walk.
Silent Talk.
Wakeful Sleep.
Dark Sun
Gentle Torture.
Dry Rain.
Peaceful War.
sushil_yadav
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Hello CC,
"You assume that you know the divine plan and that we are going about everything incorrectly. How do you think you know this? You thought about it. Right? You are human. Humans think. Some people find the greatest pleasure( an emotion) in doing so."
I think you'll find that your wasting your breath trying to have a debate with this guy or girl. This person will not be happy until, 1) the Earth reverts back to the Garden of Eden, or 2) all of humanity has been obliterated in some shape or form.
You'll find that this eco-worrier (like most environmentalists) abosolutley hates human beings, as far as their concerned there are too many humans on this planet, and we need to get shot of all of them - asap.
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Man can repair and restore things that have been made by man himself. Car, Computer, Aeroplane, Rocket - if anything goes wrong with these things man can repair and restore.
Man cannot repair and restore Nature/ Environment - because man did not make Nature/ Environment. Once a Forest is destroyed - it is gone for millions of years. One cannot create a Forest in 5 or 50 years - it takes millions of years to make a forest - containing millions of species of animals, insects, birds, plants and trees. Man can create a plantation in 5 or 50 years - not a forest.
The only way to save Environment is by not destroying it - leave it alone - leave it undisturbed. If you destroy Environment you cannot repair and restore it.
sushil_yadav
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Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
I find it amusing how anti-scientific eco-worriers like Sushil Yadav use the super high-tec internet to propagate their ever so backward ideas.
I find it ironic that you have no concern/ compassion for Environment despite the fact that you owe your very existence to nature/ environment.
Why do you breathe the Air?
Why do you drink the Water?
Why do you eat the Food that comes from Soil? - Why don't you have Computers for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
Take all your technology to the Moon - and try producing a single grain of Food without using any natural ingredient from Earth.
In the absence of Nature your grandfather would'nt have lived.
In the absence of Nature your father would'nt have lived.
In the absence of Nature you would'nt have lived.
Show some respect to Nature.
sushil_yadav
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Lame
This is another in a series of lame, misguided forays, where the individual values the sound of his own voice more then the subject matter. Courtney hit the mark; "anti-scientific eco-worriers". I suggest we burn this one on a cross of hickory as an offering to appease Mother Nature.
Witch burning, Ron Allen and Sushil_yadav
Witch burning would be progress as conceived by Ron Allen.
The funny thing about Ron Allen is, if you kick him in the ass he gets headaches; in so far as his ass is all the head he possesses...
As for Sushil_yadav, let me ask him two questions:
1/ Has anyone claimed food could be produced from ingredients other than the earth? No. So what is he braying about?
2/ Has it ever occured to him computors were made from natural products of the earth, such as supra-conductive materials, and made use of natural energies of the earth, such as electricity? Technology is still nature and if the industry of termites, ants and bees does not pose him a problem, why should he mind human industry?
What?
Bluejay,
What a shame that you waste yourself on the obvious.
Respect
If you do not like debate & exchange of opinion, Ron Allen, what are you doing on a discussion forum?
And perhaps you should learn to write more respectable posts, before you presume to disrespect the posts of others, be they Sushilydv.
Why should we be respectful
Why should we be respectful to someone who would like us all dead, or at least penniless and poverty-struck?
You consider us all some form of blight, disease or cancer upon the Earth, but we should be polite whilst disagreeing eh?
Sure - I politely suggest you being your crusade to eliminate mankind by eliminating yourself, you know, as a good example an' all? Then all your problems would go away!
Sorted.
Next?
W.
This is not sorted...
In some ways I agree with Wiggly's sentiments - indeed, why should we be in anyway respectful to Nazis, or any other barbarians? This is not to say that Sushil_yadav is a fully paid up member of the Nazi party, but his or her ideas are no less abhorrent and anti-humanist in it's essence.
However, Wiggly is wrong to suggest this topic/thread/issue is over - on the contrary, Sushil_yadav backward and anti-humanist ideas are in fact on the ascendency, and this is not the last we're going to hear from the likes of him or her. Anti-humanist politics is becoming quite mainstream these days, and it is not just confined to the completely insane deep-greens like the one above.
Watch this space....
Oh I agree the issue is
Oh I agree the issue is ongoing and pressing. What was nicely captured however was the short limit of my patience or desire to debate politely with someone calling me and mine a disease.
More people, I feel, should adopt the same stance and take back their right to be offended by the offensive. When someone says there are too many people point out that YOU are indeed "people". It's very easy to nod one's head and say "Yeah, there's too many of em over there.." but it's not "them" being discussed, it's humans, you, me and the people we love.
This "too many" thinking swiftly leads to "us v them" thinking and we all know what that leads to.
If Mr or Mrs Greenie thinks there are too many peeps about, simple question: Why are they still here?
Die already, if it doesn't solve the world's problems it'll at least solve your own....
W.
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Industrial Society is destroying necessary things [Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land] for making unnecessary things [Consumer Goods]. When we make consumer goods we kill Animals/ Trees, Air/ Water and Land - directly or indirectly. Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems. It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society". Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled. Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land. Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. Industry kills Water. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted. Industry/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air. Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land. When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems. When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land. Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way. "Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP" These are figures of "Ecocide". sushil_yadav |
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