How stupid is it to attack a country that can easily decimate yours? When in history the said country go easy on threats like Hezbollah or Hamas? So Israel the biggest terrorists in the world? They are fighting a group who's main weapon is terrorism. I think if they use just the military to fight terrorism their only option is to become the biggest terrorists of the ME. If Hezbollah and Hamas can win over the hearts and minds of the people with their social programs why the heck didn't or doesn't Israel try this? I don't have the slightest idea how they could do that now, but I'm sure theres got to be a way, not that I think anyone involved in this has the slightest interest in how to make peace with eachother, its still somewhat encouraging to imagine at least how it could be done.

someone who fights terror which was already there cant be a terrosist. Anyway, So u admit Isarel is indeed using nuclear and chemical weapons. I don't think there are any rules for who can be a terrorist or not. It all depends on what side you're on. As far as weapons go, how could I "admit" Israel is using anything like that? If you are referring to the picture you posted the link for- that did not look realistic at all. It's irrelevant though allot of innocent people were killed. All of these invasion blunders for the sake of getting at Iran. We are becoming like my impression of Arabs; every action we take seems to undermine what we are supposedly trying to accomplish. Most likely that is because we've thrown diplomacy out as an option to deal with the problems over there. Hearts and minds are won by ideologies, not by weapons Yeah, kindness works really well too.

I didn't say either way as to whether the pictures were true or not, and to be perfectly honest didn't even look at the pics as most of the time people only post these kinds of things as a kind of propaganda. As for Israeli's, the jewish people aren't as innocent as you would make them out to be. Like I said, check the link, and if you don't agree with that version of history, look it up elsewhere (not just online). You will see it's true. Yes, hizbollah did attack your civilians and it is completely fair for you to retaliate to try and protect them (I would do the same). But what about the attacks in the late forties that Jewish terrorist groups carried out against the British Mandate of Palestine in an attempt to get your own country? It's technically the same as what hizbollah is doing now. Don't worry, I'm not trying to hold you responsible for what was done in the past, as that's pretty narrow minded. People just have to be aware that it's not as black and white as those involved would like it to be.

This is where i stand. im just pasting it rom another post so u mightve seen this already.. there are more reasons to believe this than not to believe this.... 'Disentangling Israeli interests from the rubble of neocon "creative destruction" in the Middle East has become an urgent challenge for Israeli policy-makers. An America that seeks to reshape the region through an unsophisticated mixture of bombs and ballots, devoid of local contextual understanding, alliance-building or redressing of grievances, ultimately undermines both itself and Israel. The sight this week of Secretary of State Rice homeward bound, unable to touch down in any Arab capital, should have a sobering effect in Washington and Jerusalem'. The link to the full article is: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/746312.html

"When there is acceptance for an eye for an eye, the whole world goes blind". M. Ghandi

armies are relative in the case of Israel is an army that is fighting itself, its tactics are erroneous and the aim is murky. what shall Israel do. well the 1 thing to do is to understand who you are fighting and why. terrorism does not fit the bill in this configuration as IDF is a terrorist state it kills children and defenceless people, a sort of Balkans wars on the middle east were Milosevic is the Israeli prime minister and the Muslim well they are still the same ones that get all the bombs drop on their heads. displaced murdered and sacrificed for some unknown reason. however this time Washington is behind the plot not the soviet union. a strange coincidence were history repeats itself, same players and same plot and the same aim. no wonder Washington is finding itself at odds with the world. defending a dictator or rather a replay dictator by history whims and at the same time accusing the Muslims of terrorist. caustic remark to think that the Lebanese population are terrorist. but why destroy bridges infrastructures and cripple the nation. just like Milosevic has done to Bosnia. this Bosnia replay is something we must ask why. how come the worlds community does not condemn Israel but it did Milosevic and its Serbian regime. Albania in this context is probably Palestine. it brings the point how confuse the leaders of the world must be after this mayhem created by Washington and executed by Israel. I wonder who are the military planers of this idiocy but they are no better than those that declare victory over Iraq on a 2003 and them found themselves that that was the day the war begun.

In reply to original post. I do a lot of military weapons research and I would first like to point out that there is no way this is an artillery launched chemical weapon delivery system. Almost all thermobaric bombs are dropped from planes. This 'article' claims it is an artillery shell. If you were to fire that thing in an artillery piece, you will most likely take out the piece and anyone standing next to it. I dont who they spoke with at the "US military intelligence sources" but judging from the shape and flimsy stabilizer fins, it looks like some kind of antiquated airborne gravity munition also known as dumb bombs. Note the tip of the munition looks like some kind of external pressure detonator of which an artillery shell would have no use for. Most shells do have detonators but they are internal, not external. A pressure detonator as seen in the picture would normally be used to ensure the munition detonates upon impact when dropped from airborne platforms. Firing this from an artillery piece would most like cause detonation. Although such munitions are pretty much outdated technology (used mostly in WW2 I might be wrong about the modernity of this technology as I have little background in airborne munitions. Although I cant see a modern military using this kind of munition even to drop out of planes most modern air forces use some kind of guided munitions in order to minimize collateral damage). Furthermore, most standard artillery shells look a lot like bullets. This is in order to minimize drag on the projectile in-flight and to increase the range. Additionally, any kind of stabilizer fins would only be used in high velocity armor piercing shells. The AP shell is far too small to carry any kind of chemical payload and looks more like an arrow rather then a steel drum. Even an incendiary phosphorus projectile is bullet shaped and has no stabilizing fins. As far as I know there is no ground based delivery system for that kind of ordnance. Another thing which leads me to believe this picture was originally doctored is the vehicle that the solider is 'loading' the shell into is an Armored Personal Carrier (APC) which has little offensive capabilities. Here is some basic information regarding munitions. Gravity bombs - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_bomb Standard M107 artillery shell - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M107_%28projectile%29 Internals of an artillery shell - http://static.flickr.com/29/64106413_63a7792842.jpg This article seems to be another piece of Hezbollah propagand and has no merit whatsoever.

"As far as weapons go, how could I "admit" Israel is using anything like that? If you are referring to the picture you posted the link for- that did not look realistic at all." It is very clear that Israel is using white phosphorous known as "Whiskey Pete". It is updated napalm which burns in a very distinctive pattern which is easy to tell. There have been photographs on a variety of networks which clearly show the pattern. Additionally, Israel is using cluster bombs. Both Whiskey Pete and cluster bombs are in violation of humanitarian laws and the Geneva Conventions . . . thus a war crime. The US used Whiskey Pete extensively in its attack on Fallujah in Iraq. Moreover, the US has used depleted uranium extensively in Iraq which is easy to know based upon the illnesses acquired by those in the vicinity of the explosion of such weapons. And for good measure, the US used cluster bombs extensively in both Afghanistan and Iraq. You might recall the US attempt at humanitarian activities by dropping food containers from planes to prevent the Afghanis from starving. However, they wouldn't touch the containers because they were so similar to unexploded cluster bombs. The unexploded cluster bombs work like land mines. That's why they violate humanitarian and international law. I don't think Israel is the number one terrorist country in the world. But they are second, right behind the US. Anyone willing to have an open mind about these various issues should read the latest book by Noam Chomsky entitled "Failed States". Chomsky is the leading intellectual in the US and conceivably in the world. His Ph.D. is in linguistics and he continues to teach at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Boston despite being in his 70's. Also he has been a political commentator and writer since the 1950's. His public lectures are always very well attended by those people concerned about issues who want to approach them like academicians rather than emotional partisans. It is Chomsky's view that the US then Israel are the leading terrorist countries in the world. And before anyone begins talking about anti-Semitic, please understand that the term applies to Jews, Arabs and Ethiopians combined. The term that should be hurled at those who say critical accurate things about Israel us really "anti-Jewish". Yasser Arafat was once asked if he was anti-Semitic and he correctly answered "no". He was not asked if he was anti-Jewish. In any event, Chomsky and his wife are both Jewish and his father was the headmaster at a Hebrew school that both Chomsky and his wife attended as children. The thing is, Chomsky's views are driven by his intellect and not his emotions. He is that bright. In conclusion, it is factual that Israel uses immoral and illegal weapons. The reason why you "admit" their usage is because each of us should try to resurrect the concept of morality and insist that governments everywhere follow the "rule of law". Otherwise we are simply sowing the seeds of dehumanizing mankind with the certain result that we create more death and destruction.

I think you'll find that most Arabs will not even say that they are anti-Jewish, which largely they are not (which is why the previous poster has found arab-americans and jewish-americans getting along). Arabs are anti-Zionist. They are against the fascist political movement which stole land from the Palestinians, carried out ethnic cleansing and who continue to spread their vile, inaccurate and racist propaganda against arabs. Chomsky is anti-Zionist, not anti-jewish. The Zionists have been winning the propaganda war because they speak english and they understand the western mentality and culture. You must have heard those american-accented spokespeople with the oh-so-reasonable tones of voice that appear on the BBC Today programme for example - that is all deliberate. The arabs tend to come across as uneducated and lacking in sophistication - Hanan Ashrawi was one of the few spokespersons the Israelis were scared of because she was articulate in english. Chomsky is loved by arabs because he articulates the situation so well and is one of the few people in the west who is able to do that. And again he is feared by Zionists so every attempt is made to discredit every word he says although anyone with a reasonable intellect can see his writing is well-reasoned and well-researched. Edward Said was another great articulator and his loss is felt. None of this matters thought. In the end peace will come from ordinary people on *both* sides rejecting their leaders' violent and hateful policies and standing up for their right to bring up their children in peace and co-operation.

alberthartford 'The information on these cruel, coward and surrepticious attacks on the indigenous palestinian population as well as on the british military ' The Jews are the indigenous people and in what way is attacking British military personel cowardly? 'a crucial key for anyone who is looking to understand the deeper origins of the current conflict in Israel, Palestine and Lebanon.' I don't think you can cope with deep thinking. For a start where is 'Palestine'? The deeper origins are simple anti-Semitism. get to grips with that and you've started learning.

The second set of pictures have been mentioned before. It was presented by Kiumars as evidence of use of poison gas. His "evidence" is a dubious website "Waynemadsenreport" and is basically completely wrong. I pointed this out in the thread "Israel using poison gas" on 23rd July ... "Poor research. The picture is not of a binary chemical weapon but a fuel-air exposive rocket used for mine clearing. Don't believe all you read! I could tell that this was not what was stated from my own meagre knowledge. A refutation of the article is carried here: http://chickenhawkexpress.blogspot.com/

If the leader of a nation orders his army and people to go fight x, then like it or not you have to fight. The price for defying government in times of war is not worth it in any country. No country or religion are terrorists...idividual people are terrorists. Being English I am sometimes confronted with the history of my nation when I go abroad. 'You invaded us x many years ago and killed our women and children' or some such statement. No we didn't. Lord Poncy Arse and a few of his power hungry mates decided to invade for more money and more power. But they don't tell Joe Public that. They tell us like your leaders tell you that there is some noble and decent cause behind this invasion. 'Those people are barbarians, they drink blood and play football with live babies....go get 'em'. While the leaders sit at home and play chess with peoples lives, the nation goes out and sheds blood. The lord and his pals get awards galore for their brilliant strategy whilst most of his conquering army are left to pick up the pieces of their lives. Our information is only as good as that which is given to us. If you all tell me that Americans bathe their kids in strawberry sauce and shoot each other when one steps on anothers lawn then that may be all the information I have on them. People are capable of believing almost anything.