Is Britain doomed?

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Gareth Young (Lewes, CEP): We are indebted to Ordovicius for bringing us Richard Wyn Jones' series of fatalist scenarios on the break-up of Britain. On an English parliament the fatalist cascade follows this train of thought:

  • England is too large to be accommodated in the devolved settlement. An English parliament would be more powerful than the UK Government, it would be more central to peoples' lives and the everyday political life of the country. The supremacy and legitimacy of the UK government would be undermined, and with it our sense of Britishness.
  • A more formal federal system would need to be devised to proscribe the extent and limitations of the national and federal governments in order to accommodate the English elephant in the room.
  • Such a radical constitutional change is contrary to England's conservative instincts and the English will decide that such an upheaval is not a price worth paying for union with Scotland (or Wales and NI).
  • Despite the fact that the CEP argues for a devolved English parliament based on the Scottish model I happen to agree with Richard, I think profound tensions will arise between England and the UK, and we will by necessity require a written federal constitution. This is nothing to be scared of. If Britain is worth saving then the British people will find a way do so. If not, then so be it: Fear of the consequences for Britain is no reason to deny England's right to self-determination, and if England is denied then the union is doomed anyway.

    <!--more-->The asymmetric constitution devised by New Labour that afforded extra privileges to everyone but the English has relied to a large extent upon the magnanimity of the English. Several members of the government have even invoked the famous English sense of fair play when imploring the us to show restraint towards the Scots in order that we might keep their unfair union together. Recently Alex Salmond has been delighted to discover that English restraint has its limits.

    A devolved system would be entirely reliant on English restraint. If you can imagine a devolved English government acting in the manner of Alex Salmond's Scottish administration - forever pushing the envelope and antagonising the rest of the UK - then you can easily imagine the end of Britain. Worse still a devolved settlement not only rests on English restraint, but also upon the trust and fealty of the smaller nations, and Scotland in particular is neither trusting of English politicians or possessed of goodwill toward the Ancien Régime of England.

    A federal settlement probably also requires English restraint because it is likely that the English would have to sacrifice their numerical advantage in the federal parliament, perhaps by qualified majority voting or some other mechanism, to prevent England from having the decisive say in all federal matters. Such a mechanism would effectively mean that it is ultimately the nations - and not the federal parliament - that will be sovereign. It will be very hard for unionists to turn their ideology of British sovereignty around like that, but some of them have already unwittingly done so when they pledged to uphold the sovereign right of the Scottish people - thus moving sovereignty from the centre to the periphery; from Britain to Scotland.

    There is no solution that will be anomaly free and there's going to have to come a time when the British people have to ratify a solution that is acceptable to 'the British' as a whole and also to the nations of the UK individually. How we approach the 'British Question' relies upon England's answer to the English Question, and it's a fear of consequences that has prevented anyone yet asking the English for their answer to their question.

    If, as Brian Barder suggests, a federal system will take 20 years to set up, the UK will have to limp on in a quasi-federal form. Personally I wouldn't put my mortgage on it lasting that long.

    The fatalism of Richard's analysis runs contrary to the lack of any strong public desire to actually abolish the United Kingdom. If the break-up of Britain comes to pass it will be because of dithering, delay and drift. Resentment is building but whilst there is still majority support for the union the onus is our politicians to come up with a constitutional solution. Certainly Britain is a concept that needs to be reinvented - not so much in an emotional sense as in a political sense that will help inform the emotional sense.

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    Comments

    Adrian Peirson (not verified)
    10 December 2007 - 3:26pm

    This situation is being engineered, regionalisation, devolution is a divide and conquer strategy.

    Our EU Socialists are orchestrating this.

    The Scots and Welsh are being deceived, what use is devolution for Scotland and Wales if 80% of British Laws are to be made in Brussels.

    Devolution is a Trojan Horse.

    Labour Conservative Collusion

    ftp://goldmine.bz/Shoe%20Horned%20into%20the%20EU/FCO%20IRD%20plans/FO%20EIU-%20mtg%20%20%20Royle%20outlines%20plans%20for%20propagandise%20the%20nati.pdf

    19 December 2007 - 1:41pm

    [...] ‘Is Britain Doomed‘ I made the case for qualified majority voting in a federal United Kingdom to prevent English [...]

    toque (not verified)
    4 November 2007 - 8:29pm

    Typical, we're trying to correct the present and a 'Celt' pops up and starts complaining about what happened hundreds of years ago.

    Phil, we don't care. I couldn't give two figs if my ancestor raped and pillaged the village of your ancestor. It's irrelevant.

    I used to live in Germany you know. Do you think I kept on complaining about the war?

    You can visit the sins of the fathers on the sons all you want but it won't endear you to anyone.

    6 November 2007 - 12:40pm

    [...] of the UK are well known - struck me on reading Gareth Young’s recent post ‘Is Britain Doomed?‘ (well, actually Philip Hosking’s comment on that post) on the Our Kingdom blog, in [...]

    Philip Hosking (not verified)
    4 November 2007 - 5:55pm

    "The asymmetric constitution devised by New Labour that afforded extra privileges to everyone but the English has relied to a large extent upon the magnanimity of the English"

    But I thought that devolution to the smaller nations was a way of rectifying -if rather half hearted and half assed- the centralisation of economic and political power away from them by the various regimes based in London, for the general benefit of London, which -oh my me look at that- happens to be the capital of England.

    English 'magnanimity stripped the Celtic nations of their independence in the first place, fine while it suited them but the moment they have to pay.....

    Della Petch (not verified)
    4 November 2007 - 7:54pm

    "English ‘magnanimity stripped the Celtic nations of their independence in the first place, fine while it suited them but the moment they have to pay….."

    When the price demanded of us for celtic favouritism is English lives, the price automatically becomes too high.

    Perhaps Labour has set a target it wants to reach? Is anyone bothering to count and how will we know when they've reached their target, or is it an annual one that goes up year on year, just as our taxes do?

    David (not verified)
    5 November 2007 - 11:22am

    Philip, nice of you to acknowledge that London is the capital of England - it would make a pleasant change if the UK government that supposedly attends to English matters in the absence of an English parliament could also occasionally utter the 'E' word rather than pretending that England is Britain.

    But actually, as a unionist, shouldn't you call London the capital of the UK? Does England have a capital city if it doesn't have any separate constitutional status? In any case, London is the only bit of England that has a devolved status, which in a sense does make it a sort of law unto itself, as you suggest - plus ca change.

    Any votes for the capital of England? My vote goes to Canterbury - not very inclusive of me, perhaps; although it's got easy access to Brussels!

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